Do current MotoGP bikes uses ABS?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Slide @ Mar 1 2009, 10:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>abs isnt as good as the braking a rider does in motogp...

at least the abs on street bikes these days arent as developed enough to come even close to what a rider can do... abs doesnt make a bike brake on the limit, it just pumps the brakes very fast, and i dont think riders riding on the limit would see that as an improvement...

but im no expert, but as far as i know, pulling the brakes yourself is more safe...
Thats a fair point. Abs on cars is more for novices and peeps who are not very good drivers. How many of us who have been driving for year's and learned in vehicles without abs have ever really had it cut in during an emergency stop ?
i think the only time i ever felt that cadence on my brake peddle was the other day when we had a foot of snow on the road. I think its more about your arms being strong enough to withstand the g's under braking with these carbon discs than locking up the wheel.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Mar 1 2009, 11:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think its more about your arms being strong enough to withstand the g's under braking with these carbon discs than locking up the wheel.
i think abs will make a racer loose seconds because he will need to brake earlier etc. so i wont be an option unless they can finetune it to work almost flawless, like TC, which will be banned then, i think. it will make the possibility of outbraking someone quite/almost impossible.

Hondas new sportbike ABS will be used on the race track this year. They will use it in the german SBK series and probarbly other series as well. The two major disadvantages is weight and brake power in dry. But while it might not work as efficient as a top rider ( a top rider using ABS estimated a tenth or two a lap) it works the same every time and it apply rear brake a fraction of a second before the front brake, thereby stabilizing the bike into the turn. It also works like charm leaned into the turn and in wet those without ABS will have no chanse what so ever.
Like it or not. ABS has entered racing and I suspect a ban or everyone is on ABS within 2 years.

ABS brakes come as an option or standard on more than 50% of the '09 bikes I've seen offered here in Norway. But so far I suspect thta Hondas sportbike ABS system is more than a horse head in front of the competition.

What's next pinky. Disk brakes on motorbikes?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Mar 2 2009, 12:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hondas new sportbike ABS will be used on the race track this year. They will use it in the german SBK series and probarbly other series as well. The two major disadvantages is weight and brake power in dry. But while it might not work as efficient as a top rider ( a top rider using ABS estimated a tenth or two a lap) it works the same every time and it apply rear brake a fraction of a second before the front brake, thereby stabilizing the bike into the turn. It also works like charm leaned into the turn and in wet those without ABS will have no chanse what so ever.
Like it or not. ABS has entered racing and I suspect a ban or everyone is on ABS within 2 years.

ABS brakes come as an option or standard on more than 50% of the '09 bikes I've seen offered here in Norway. But so far I suspect thta Hondas sportbike ABS system is more than a horse head in front of the competition.

What's next pinky. Disk brakes on motorbikes?
if i was on a bike at 200mph and i wanna brake hard, i would love an abs system to do that stuff for me... rain doesnt give a lot of feedback between ground and driver, if im not mistaken, so abs would increase the lappings in the wet... nice post

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Slide @ Mar 2 2009, 12:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>if i was on a bike at 200mph and i wanna brake hard, i would love an abs system to do that stuff for me... rain doesnt give a lot of feedback between ground and driver, if im not mistaken, so abs would increase the lappings in the wet... nice post

If you by feedback mean "how far away from sliding am I now?" then you are absolutly right. Look at Pedrosa at Sachsenring '08. It's a classical example. If the bike are just slightly off totally neutral straight forward moving and hard on the brakes you have less than 2% chance of saving it.

I don't know HOW good it is, but in the comming years we probably will see bikes braking just as deep into the corners in wet as in dry. Today you are a very brave man if you do anything but very carefull adjustments with the brakes in wet.

In the first post I forgot to mention that the ABS take away lot of the errors and the racer interviewed expected to be faster than those without ABS over a race distance as he wold do less mistakes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6kO6ltk3a0...re=channel_page

MCN Testing the 09 Honda Fireblade's ABS...apparently the general consensus is that it works really well.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ngads @ Mar 2 2009, 12:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6kO6ltk3a0...re=channel_page

MCN Testing the 09 Honda Fireblade's ABS...apparently the general consensus is that it works really well.
Very cool, thanks for posting.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Slide @ Mar 1 2009, 10:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>abs isnt as good as the braking a rider does in motogp...

at least the abs on street bikes these days arent as developed enough to come even close to what a rider can do... abs doesnt make a bike brake on the limit, it just pumps the brakes very fast, and i dont think riders riding on the limit would see that as an improvement...

but im no expert, but as far as i know, pulling the brakes yourself is more safe...

well.....
Basic idea of ABS is to allow the wheels to keep turning so that you still have directional control of the vehicle, in fact ABS will allow you to brake to the limit without wheel lockup.... pulling the brakes yourself is ok if you know the limit (esp in the wet) not really of much use for racing bike yet.

It is not precise enough to be used at a high racing level. You cannot regulate the front and back brake on your own, it dramatically changes braking dynamics. You cannot just use front brake on some corners like fast sweepers changing turn in and speed, likewise for a corner where you would want to use more back brake. You absolutely do not want the same amount of regulated braking for every corner which is what the ABS gives you. What it does is dictates how you are riding, a lot of people will struggle using this on the track, but some might find it useful depending on their riding style, which is why this is not feasible if it is contingent on your riding style. A more advance system that took into account more further wheel speed timing, suspension and lean might work, but I am sure that would be seen in MotoGP before anything.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Slide @ Mar 2 2009, 12:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>abs isnt as good as the braking a rider does in motogp...

at least the abs on street bikes these days arent as developed enough to come even close to what a rider can do... abs doesnt make a bike brake on the limit, it just pumps the brakes very fast, and i dont think riders riding on the limit would see that as an improvement...

but im no expert, but as far as i know, pulling the brakes yourself is more safe...

Then you really should check out what they did to the Fire Blade. The magazine Bike had a well known British racer test it (can't recall who) and he said without doubt it would be an advantage in the wet. Even in dry it might just hold it's own over a race due to predictability although it can't compete with a racer with fresh good tires on a single test. From a few test runs to typically 200 turns in a race is very different.

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RDP has certainly used ABS in the past..AUTOMATIC BAILOUT SYSTEM