Daytona Spoilers. Big Name is OUT!!!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dylan @ Feb 18 2008, 01:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>haha I got a rash reaction out of people, shoot they could treat their bodies like a trashcan and still win races, my qualifications as an athlete is to treat your body with respect and tune it to the best of your ability

The highest paid athelete in the world is a ....... golfer.Now thats high drama,death defying stuff right there.I would just as soon have my toenails pulled out with pliers than watch that but obviously millions feel differently.Are they atheletes?Is Golf a sport.John Daley is drunk half the time and throws down his cig to take a shot.

Here is the wreck at Talladega iwas refereing to that caused the restrictor plate rule package that results in foot to the floor racing.In this race the pole was and average of i believe 214mph.Thats average,they were doing close to 230 in the straits.Watch the video and and around the 30 second mark you will see a 3400 lb car just about get into the stands.I will never forget it because it was in the 90's degrees and humid as hell and we had to sit for close to 2 hours while they fixed the damn fence.There was people thar had been drinking all day and the heat was making them drop like flys.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yt5XCCgwulA

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Feb 18 2008, 02:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Some day I’m gonna write an essay as to why Nascar is one of the purest forms of motor racing.

Interesting point, because although i'm sure i could be convinced you are right, it is perhaps not a positive point. I think the trouble people have with NASCAR is that it is very fake. It appears to be a simplified version of motorsport for the masses to watch in a stadium and on TV, because old style racing is too hard to watch and requires too much thinking for a mainstream audience. With all the difficult factors removed the remainder sure is purified motorsport, but its not natural. I'd rather drink juice that was actually squeezed from an orange, do you know what i mean?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Feb 19 2008, 11:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Interesting point, because although i'm sure i could be convinced you are right, it is perhaps not a positive point. I think the trouble people have with NASCAR is that it is very fake. It appears to be a simplified version of motorsport for the masses to watch in a stadium and on TV, because old style racing is too hard to watch and requires too much thinking for a mainstream audience. With all the difficult factors removed the remainder sure is purified motorsport, but its not natural. I'd rather drink juice that was actually squeezed from an orange, do you know what i mean?
I really dont know what you mean.What is a simplified version of mototsport.Compared to what.Motorsport is really simple to start with.What is old style racing?Is Nascar commercialized,hell yes it is,but fake,thats a pretty strong accusation.What is fake about cars running 200 mph, inches apart for 500 miles.Manipulated might be another word for fake.Has Nascar manipulated races,most would say yes, and i would to.The phantom debri cautions that Tony Stewart called them out on last year is manipulation for the fans sake.It creates a good finish.Make no mistake,it is a business and the governing body will do what they think is best when it come to putting ..... in the seats,just like GP did this year when they forced a company to take on a rider who was not in their plans.All to put ..... in the seats.Is GP fake? The big difference is Nascar doesnt rely on one guy as the meal ticket.They lost their marquee driver who died in that fake racing but survived quite nicely.Will MotoGp survive as we know it when Valentino goes away.Who is there to grab the imagination of the fan,not Casey,not Dani,not Nicky.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hayden Fan @ Feb 19 2008, 07:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Agreed, but please that 200mph thing is another one of those commerical things. They do that at only 1-2 tracks and that is just before the brake to enter the corners.

Would you agree the sad death of Dale Earnhardt has helped Nascar gain popularity?

I can think of,let me count off the top of my head the tracks where 200mph plus is seen.This is with last years car,the new car pokes a much bigger hole in the air so maybe not this year.It is going strait but it is 200 mph none the less
Atlanta
Texas
Michigan
Pocono
Charlotte
Fontana

Chicago,Kansas,not sure,to lazy to look it up.And of course Daytona and Talladegs would average way over 200 if not for the restictor plate.

Here is some figues from 2004 when for ..... and giggles,Rusy Wallace did a few laps at Talladega without the plate.
We hit 228 at the end of the straightaway," he said. Wallace's top lap speed was 216.306 and was 25 to 30 mph faster than with a restrictor plate.

Did Earnhardt's death help?I think what helped was the fact that JR was there to absorb daddys fan base and they went on without missing a beat.Had Jr not been there,i think the die hard Dale fan would have found it hard to go on.I have never seen so many grieving people in my life.It was worse for them than losing a family member.It was like their god died.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hayden Fan @ Feb 17 2008, 09:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Cars are made of aluminum and steel tub framed chassis. They are not "stock" like DTM and BTCC are.

DTM stock? Excuse me?

Yes, NASCAR is difficult. Even if they are running flat out at the restrictor plate races, you know it has to be mentally tough to drive in such close quarters for so long, especially when the CoT bounces around so much at Daytona. I drive through Knoxville, TN on I40 and come out with a sigh of relief (I think Povol will know what I'm talking about); I can't imagine doing that at 190mph for 500 miles!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mr. Shupe @ Feb 20 2008, 01:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>DTM stock? Excuse me?

Yes, NASCAR is difficult. Even if they are running flat out at the restrictor plate races, you know it has to be mentally tough to drive in such close quarters for so long, especially when the CoT bounces around so much at Daytona. I drive through Knoxville, TN on I40 and come out with a sigh of relief (I think Povol will know what I'm talking about); I can't imagine doing that at 190mph for 500 miles!

I sure do since i live in Knoxville.Once you get thru downtown and get a little west or east is not to bad but that one 5 mile stretch has been a white knuckler for decades.Back when i was a kid,which was a long time ago,the truckers called Knoxville [Malfunction Junction].It is one of,if not the most traveled Interstates in the country for over the road truckers and there is danger on all sides.The new construction has helped a bunch but it can still be scary.

If anyone gets a chance to do the Petty driving experience, do it. I got that chance last month and all I can say is I now have a new found respect for the Nascar guys and what they go through. I can not even begin to tell you how hard these cars corner. About the only thing that would compare to the g-forces you feel is if you have flown a fighter jet.

Yes, I am sure it "looks" easy, but so does riding your bike fast around a track. But most of us know it takes alot of hard work and training and practice to get fast. Same thing just different vehicle.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Feb 19 2008, 08:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I really dont know what you mean.What is a simplified version of mototsport.Compared to what.Motorsport is really simple to start with.What is old style racing?Is Nascar commercialized,hell yes it is,but fake,thats a pretty strong accusation.What is fake about cars running 200 mph, inches apart for 500 miles.Manipulated might be another word for fake.Has Nascar manipulated races,most would say yes, and i would to.The phantom debri cautions that Tony Stewart called them out on last year is manipulation for the fans sake.It creates a good finish.Make no mistake,it is a business and the governing body will do what they think is best when it come to putting ..... in the seats,just like GP did this year when they forced a company to take on a rider who was not in their plans.All to put ..... in the seats.Is GP fake? The big difference is Nascar doesnt rely on one guy as the meal ticket.They lost their marquee driver who died in that fake racing but survived quite nicely.Will MotoGp survive as we know it when Valentino goes away.Who is there to grab the imagination of the fan,not Casey,not Dani,not Nicky.

Yes, fake was a badly chosen word, manipulated is much better. I think the manipulation and forced nature of he entertainment can make NASCAR feel a bit stale and dull. I watched the Daytona sprint cup race yesterday and really enjoyed it, but its 3 corners, all left handed and full throttle the whole way, thats a bit weak compared to most other forms of racing.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Feb 21 2008, 05:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yes, fake was a badly chosen word, manipulated is much better. I think the manipulation and forced nature of he entertainment can make NASCAR feel a bit stale and dull. I watched the Daytona sprint cup race yesterday and really enjoyed it, but its 3 corners, all left handed and full throttle the whole way, thats a bit weak compared to most other forms of racing.
It is full throttle only because of the resrictor plate which to some can be boring but it also causes the bigger incidents because nobdy wants to lift.If you do lift with a restrictor plate motor it takes half a lap to get momentum back and you lose 10-15 spots on the track.Thats why you see the cars doing what they call bump drafting instead of burping the throttle.Watching a race in person is night and day compared to television,you dont get the sound,the smell,the grounded rubber dust in your face and most of all the sensation of the true speed that is actually taking place.It is impossible for television to show how hard those cars are digging into a corner because they are panning and following the action by moving the cameras.When you are there and you see a car doing 200-205 down a strait and then dive the nose to set the front end while another car is 4-5 inches away but right beside you doing the same thing,im telling you,its a rush.If you ever get a chance to watch a race in person at say, Atlanta or Charlotte,do it.It might change your perception of Nascar.And like i said before,Bristol is insane.It is such a small track but the lap times are incredible because of the banking.They run gearing for maximum excelleration and when they come out of a corner and hammer it,It appears they almost get to the point of raising the front wheels and 2 seconds later its off the throttle and hard on the brakes to get from 150 to 100 to set the corner.One of you mathmeticians out ther figure the G's it puts on a driver to accelerate from 100 to 150 in 2 seconds and then back to 100 in even less time.I dont know the numbers, but at that track the G's are so severe in the corners,they have to use a padded extension off of the racing seat to keep there neck muscles from tearing loose.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Feb 21 2008, 05:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It is full throttle only because of the resrictor plate which to some can be boring but it also causes the bigger incidents because nobdy wants to lift.If you do lift with a restrictor plate motor it takes half a lap to get momentum back and you lose 10-15 spots on the track.Thats why you see the cars doing what they call bump drafting instead of burping the throttle.Watching a race in person is night and day compared to television,you dont get the sound,the smell,the grounded rubber dust in your face and most of all the sensation of the true speed that is actually taking place.It is impossible for television to show how hard those cars are digging into a corner because they are panning and following the action by moving the cameras.When you are there and you see a car doing 200-205 down a strait and then dive the nose to set the front end while another car is 4-5 inches away but right beside you doing the same thing,im telling you,its a rush.If you ever get a chance to watch a race in person at say, Atlanta or Charlotte,do it.It might change your perception of Nascar.And like i said before,Bristol is insane.It is such a small track but the lap times are incredible because of the banking.They run gearing for maximum excelleration and when they come out of a corner and hammer it,It appears they almost get to the point of raising the front wheels and 2 seconds later its off the throttle and hard on the brakes to get from 150 to 100 to set the corner.One of you mathmeticians out ther figure the G's it puts on a driver to accelerate from 100 to 150 in 2 seconds and then back to 100 in even less time.I dont know the numbers, but at that track the G's are so severe in the corners,they have to use a padded extension off of the racing seat to keep there neck muscles from tearing loose.

I don't doubt that NASCAR is far better in person then on the television, and i will go to a race if/when i get a chance. However everything you described above is offered by normal motorsport, with far more in addition, so in fair comparison it still falls short.

I agree with Tom that NASCAR is a bit manipulated; NASCAR is marketed to a more common denominator, hence its popularity compared to other forms of racing in the U.S. The timely full-course yellows, the "lucky dog," Darrell Waltrip, the increase in fights after NASCAR hit the big time, the endless hype, etc. The Frances take a more entertainment-focused approach to racing. They don't worry themselves with gearheads and purists.

NASCAR still requires lots of skill. If it didn't, then Montoya would be cleaning up right now.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Feb 21 2008, 01:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't doubt that NASCAR is far better in person then on the television, and i will go to a race if/when i get a chance. However everything you described above is offered by normal motorsport, with far more in addition, so in fair comparison it still falls short.

Thats where i disagree.Racing high banked ovals has its own unique set of offerings that no other motorsport has.Formula 1 has extremly high G's but the driver doesnt endure it as long in a turn and no where near as long as far as race distance.Like i stated before,no other motosport,except the IRL,goes 500 hundred miles,side by side,bumper to bumper,or in the IRL's case,wheel to wheel.Most other motorsports are sprints and take anywhere fron 45 minutes to an hour and 1 half.Nascar is an endurance race that is run at sprint speeds.I love it all,racing is racing no matter what the course or the rules.I can understand it not being your favorite form of racing,its not mine either.Gp is my favorite,all Super Bike series are my second favorites and Nascar 3rd .I just dont get the vitriolic hate that some people have for Nascar.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Feb 22 2008, 02:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Thats where i disagree.Racing high banked ovals has its own unique set of offerings that no other motorsport has.Formula 1 has extremly high G's but the driver doesnt endure it as long in a turn and no where near as long as far as race distance.Like i stated before,no other motosport,except the IRL,goes 500 hundred miles,side by side,bumper to bumper,or in the IRL's case,wheel to wheel.Most other motorsports are sprints and take anywhere fron 45 minutes to an hour and 1 half.Nascar is an endurance race that is run at sprint speeds.I love it all,racing is racing no matter what the course or the rules.I can understand it not being your favorite form of racing,its not mine either.Gp is my favorite,all Super Bike series are my second favorites and Nascar 3rd .I just dont get the vitriolic hate that some people have for Nascar.

Nor do i really, i'm becomming quite fond of watching it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hayden Fan @ Feb 22 2008, 04:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I do not hate Nascar, but they lost me because they try too hard. Many things they do are over done. Their TV package is great, and one of the world's biggest, but at least FOX is kinds childish and has to explain every bit of the race, and that "Boogity-Boggity" crap is too much.

Darrell is a bumbling ..... but he does love and promote his sport.I do miss benny Parsons, God rest his soul.