Dani Pedrosa

valentinorossi · Mar 14, 2007

I know Pedrosa is a very good rider and everything.

But a lot of people i talk to about Moto GP are not convinced about his ability on the brakes particularly when overtaking.

He just sometimes doesn't seem to have the bike under control.

Take Donington last year when he almost fell off overtaking Melandri.
Or Estoril where he took out Nicky.

What do you think?

phleg · Mar 14, 2007

I'll agree that overtaking and braking aren't his strong points, but you can't blame the bloke, not his fault he's got the frame of an 8 year old girl.

Pedrosa seems to be a guy who is more content leading out front with a gap, rather than fighting for places and having his lines nicked.

Bloody good rider though.

valentinorossi · Mar 14, 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (phleg @ Mar 14 2007, 10:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'll agree that overtaking and braking aren't his strong points, but you can't blame the bloke, not his fault he's got the frame of an 8 year old girl.

Pedrosa seems to be a guy who is more content leading out front with a gap, rather than fighting for places and having his lines nicked.

Bloody good rider though.

Yeah but you need to be able to overtake in this class of motor racing and i think his overtaking could be the one thing that means he can't match Valentino in this years championship.
Coz other than that hes almost as good as Valentino.

baldylocks · Mar 14, 2007

watching him on the brakes at the last test he seems to struggle keeping the back wheel on the ground - (probably due to the lack of weight) so that means using his upper body strength

to keep the bike in line.

and i don't rekon he has the muscles to be able to do that @ 100% for 20+ laps

Alex · Mar 14, 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (phleg @ Mar 14 2007, 10:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'll agree that overtaking and braking aren't his strong points, but you can't blame the bloke, not his fault he's got the frame of an 8 year old girl.

Pedrosa seems to be a guy who is more content leading out front with a gap, rather than fighting for places and having his lines nicked.

Bloody good rider though.
I kind of agree with you here, but Pedrosa does also has the ability to scrap for positions and we saw it last year! Also at Qatar in the opening round this year, Pedrosa slammed the door shut on Hopkins within a matter of seconds after making a mistake and letting Hopkins through in the corners. Valentino Rossi is so good on the brakes, and can let someone past but take back the position on the brakes into the first corner (Qatar with Pedrosa, happened several times until Pedrosa made his mistake).

Burky · Mar 14, 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Valentino Is God @ Mar 14 2007, 11:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah but you need to be able to overtake in this class of motor racing and i think his overtaking could be the one thing that means he can't match Valentino in this years championship.
Coz other than that hes almost as good as Valentino.
He's not the best guy on the brakes by a long way, but do you think consistency could be the key to Dani's season?

babelfish · Mar 14, 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Burky @ Mar 14 2007, 08:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>He's not the best guy on the brakes by a long way, but do you think consistency could be the key to Dani's season?

I think so. He is fast, so he will allways be up there and get one of the top positions at the end. The only consistency problem he has got is rain. That could take away quite a few points.

Btw how many wet races were there last year? I can only remember PI partly wet. Was there any other?

Jumkie · Mar 14, 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Valentino Is God @ Mar 14 2007, 02:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I know Pedrosa is a very good rider and everything.

But a lot of people i talk to about Moto GP are not convinced about his ability on the brakes particularly when overtaking.

He just sometimes doesn't seem to have the bike under control.

Take Donington last year when he almost fell off overtaking Melandri.
Or Estoril where he took out Nicky.

What do you think?
Who knows about all that, but what I saw in Qatar was: Rossi has big balls on the breaks, Pedrosa has little balls on the breaks (no pun intended).

Tom · Mar 14, 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Mar 14 2007, 08:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Who knows about all that, but what I saw in Qatar was: Rossi has big balls on the breaks, Pedrosa has little balls on the breaks (no pun intended).

I'm not sure it is as simple as balls. It is very much to do with tires, suspension engine breaking rider strength and skill. Rossi has the upper hand in most if not all of these areas. Yamaha have worked very hard (at rossis request) on braking stability, and what i saw in Qatar was the payoff. Not to take anything away from rossi, his breaking technique is superior and has the body frame to brake harder.

Jumkie · Mar 14, 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Mar 14 2007, 12:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Not to take anything away from rossi.
Haha ha, you sound gun shy. Don't let the mindless cheerleaders get to you man.

Tom · Mar 14, 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Mar 14 2007, 08:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Haha ha, you sound gun shy. Don't let the mindless cheerleaders get to you man.

Well i don't want to suggest that rossi is just letting his bike do the riding. Because i think he is amongst the best brakers on the grid. But the size of the difference at Qatar turn one was influenced by more than just the rider. i mean, rossi was coming past him from a clear bike length behind to go easily into the turn first.

Jumkie · Mar 14, 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Mar 14 2007, 12:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i mean, rossi was coming past him from a clear bike length behind to go easily into the turn first.
Options for an explanation:

A) Rossi has bigger balls than Pedrosa
B) Rossi's breaks were superior

uhm.....

Tom · Mar 14, 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Mar 14 2007, 09:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Options for an explanation:

A) Rossi has bigger balls than Pedrosa

Rossi's breaks were superior

uhm.....

C) Rossi has superior strength and technique.

I believe the result was the product of all of these factors but i would say that the size of their respective balls as you put it is the least significant. Rossi wouldn't go a significantly larger way beyond the comfort zone to brake deep like that, he wants points afterall. But his superior bike setup and riding skill made him able to comfortably go deeper.

Do you see what i mean?

frosty58 · Mar 14, 2007

dani is not the brakemaster for sure but he may get better at it as the season progresses & he becomes more comfortable with his bike. i doubt he'll ever be as mad a breaker as rossi tho. as for rain riding he can work at that. hayden was a bad rain rider for his 1st couple of seasons but practice has made him quite proficiant at riding in the wet. i'm sure pedrosa can do the same.

Tom · Mar 14, 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Mar 14 2007, 09:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>dani is not the brakemaster for sure but he may get better at it as the season progresses & he becomes more comfortable with his bike. i doubt he'll ever be as made a breaker as rossi tho. as for rain riding he can work at that. hayden was a bad rain rider for his 1st couple of seasons but practice has made him quite proficiant at riding in the wet. i'm sure pedrosa can do the same.

indeed

Jumkie · Mar 14, 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Mar 14 2007, 01:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>C) Rossi has superior strength and technique.

I believe the result was the product of all of these factors but i would say that the size of their respective balls as you put it is the least significant. Rossi wouldn't go a significantly larger way beyond the comfort zone to brake deep like that, he wants points afterall. But his superior bike setup and riding skill made him able to comfortably go deeper.

Do you see what i mean?
Yes, what you are saying is Rossi likes to be a ..... and stay in his "comfort zone." Oh crap, did I write that and then accidentally press the "reply" button.

Haha, nah. I'm still gonna stick to the Rossi has bigger balls. But yes, I agree with you that he rode smart (some say "cruised") for the points.

Burky · Mar 14, 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Mar 14 2007, 10:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>But yes, I agree with you that he rode smart (some say "cruised") for the points.
I'd say he rode the socks off the thing, beat the pants off everyone else, except Casey. Some days you have to give second best to the better better man.

frosty58 · Mar 15, 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Burky @ Mar 14 2007, 08:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Some days you have to give second best to the better better man.
add philosipher to your new guru title as well.

Alex · Mar 15, 2007

We've all got to take on board also that Dani Pedrosa is still nearly 10 years younger than Rossi and is only in his 2nd year in Moto GP. He's not going to be 100% perfect whether he's a 'robot' or not, but he's definately going to improve over the years.

news1213 · Mar 15, 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Mar 14 2007, 03:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Options for an explanation:

A) Rossi has bigger balls than Pedrosa

Rossi's breaks were superior

uhm.....

C) Rossi has more stickers than Pedrosa

By the way, judging from Dani's hight and weight one would hope (for him) that his balls aren't the size of an average person..

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