CRT bikes or lease out a factory bike

alex29 · Jun 30, 2011

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/s.../June/jun3011-marc-vds-nearing-2012-decision/

Interesting take on the ~~moto1~~ Homo1 bike, a satellite bike will be more competitve. I memtion this in another thread, there's no way a CRT bike is going to be competitive against a factory bike. We saw that with the WCM bike back in the early 990 days.

CRT bikes is Dorna the explora's way of getting more bikes on the grid, this is Motogp pinnacle of two-wheel racing not some backyard domestic Series.

Austin · Jun 30, 2011

He mentioned six seconds. I wonder what the gap really is.

alex29 · Jun 30, 2011

Austin said:
He mentioned six seconds. I wonder what the gap really is.

Not sure if it was at Estoril post race test they mentioned that they were lapping about 3 seconds slower than a moto2 bike.

ptk50 · Jun 30, 2011

Badfish said:
Not sure if it was at Estoril post race test they mentioned that they were lapping about 3 seconds slower than a moto2 bike.

Wow - 6 secs off MotoGP and not even compared with Simo or Stoner and 3 secs off a Moto2 Honda - that's almost like putting a rolling chicane into MotoGP

BarryMachine · Jun 30, 2011

ptk50 said:
Wow - 6 secs off MotoGP and not even compared with Simo or Stoner and 3 secs off a Moto2 Honda - that's almost like putting MORE rolling chicanes into MotoGP

There are already a few of those so its just adding to them

cliche guevara · Jun 30, 2011

not sure about the 6 seconds part.

but what i do know is that alex hofmann is extremely impressed with the gp12, he stated that everytime it was near it humiliated his rsv4. top-spec wsbk will be pretty close (especially with the rsv4 chassis) to crt right?

ptk50 · Jun 30, 2011

BarryMachine said:
There are already a few of those so its just adding to them

too true

Kropotkin · Jun 30, 2011

Austin said:
He mentioned six seconds. I wonder what the gap really is.

I heard from a very reliable source that the gap was 6 seconds at Mugello - Ducati to Marc VDS Suter bike.

mylexicon · Jun 30, 2011

Kropotkin said:
I heard from a very reliable source that the gap was 6 seconds at Mugello - Ducati to Marc VDS Suter bike.

It's hard to know how reliable the 6 second rumor is. I'm sure the source is good, but they don't test under 21L restrictions. The 81mm 1000s are probably beasts without fuel restrictions b/c they make as much power as the 990s, but they have better tires, better brakes, better electronics, and they might even weigh less.

We know that a decent Superbike can run lap times around 1 second from the MotoGP front runners. I doubt the 1000s are much faster than the 800s despite the horsepower advantage so I'm inclined to believe that the Suter Moto1 is a piece of junk. We also have no idea what the engine tuning is like on the Suter. If they are still running the slightly modified Superstocker, it was never going to have a chance. If they were running a more heavily modified engine, Supersport lets say, then Suter might as well throw in the towel.

Austin · Jun 30, 2011

Kropotkin said:
I heard from a very reliable source that the gap was 6 seconds at Mugello - Ducati to Marc VDS Suter bike.

Yikes. Like Lex said, there are many questions yet to be answered with CRT bikes, but that sort of a gap is daunting.

#22 · Jun 30, 2011

Are we going to end up with a Tier 1 and Tier 2 championship like in F1 with the new teams at the moment?

320IDave · Jun 30, 2011

Sorry i'm too dumb to know yet but can someone tell me what a CRT bike is? please?

SuperShinya56 · Jun 30, 2011

320IDave said:
Sorry i'm too dumb to know yet but can someone tell me what a CRT bike is? please?

I have no idea either. I thought it was some sort of transmission........... CRT (Continius Revolution Torque), some shiit like that.

mylexicon · Jun 30, 2011

320IDave said:
Sorry i'm too dumb to know yet but can someone tell me what a CRT bike is? please?

It's basically a 1000cc Moto2 bike to be raced in MotoGP. Prototype chassis with a production engine and 24L of fuel. The name stands for Claiming Rule Team b/c the manufacturers are allowed to claim the engine, examine it, and then decide whether or not the CRT team should be classified as a factory squad.

Jumkie · Jun 30, 2011

6secs? Wtf, why not just copy a wsbk and say the chassis was hand built? Rules shmules. Hasnt stopped GP11.whatever.

Kropotkin · Jul 1, 2011

Two problems: First of all, Honda/Aprilia/Whoever spend a bajillion dollars developing a chassis for their road bikes, which they earn back by selling in bulk. Which Suter can't do, and so can't afford to do the development.

More importantly, the electronics. Factories have a team of brilliant electronics people developing the electronics. The CRT teams don't have the budget, the knowledge, as the factory teams have all the good people.

Austin · Jul 1, 2011

Kropotkin said:
Two problems: First of all, Honda/Aprilia/Whoever spend a bajillion dollars developing a chassis for their road bikes, which they earn back by selling in bulk. Which Suter can't do, and so can't afford to do the development.

More importantly, the electronics. Factories have a team of brilliant electronics people developing the electronics. The CRT teams don't have the budget, the knowledge, as the factory teams have all the good people.

So what you're saying is CRT bikes are destined for glory...

Keshav · Jul 1, 2011

Austin said:
So what you're saying is CRT bikes are destined for glory...

Geez partner, that's harsh. Every rodeo needs clowns.

320IDave · Jul 2, 2011

mylexicon said:
It's basically a 1000cc Moto2 bike to be raced in MotoGP. Prototype chassis with a production engine and 24L of fuel. The name stands for Claiming Rule Team b/c the manufacturers are allowed to claim the engine, examine it, and then decide whether or not the CRT team should be classified as a factory squad.

Thanks for that!!!

1 more question, well 2.

Who makes the Engines? and what manufacterers do you mean? (the ones that can claim & examine engines) as in Suter?

Thanks again.

Keshav · Jul 2, 2011

320IDave said:
Thanks for that!!!

1 more question, well 2.

Who makes the Engines? and what manufacterers do you mean? (the ones that can claim & examine engines) as in Suter?

Thanks again.

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