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Could we ever see a Red Bull Racing team in MotoGP?

Tom said:
No they haven't, they've paid someone else to do it under their name. The new CRT rules could pave the way for the same application in motogp in the future, except that RedBull would be serious about winning and wouldn't do this unless CRT had proven to be genuinely competative/equal to the factory teams, which it could be in the future.



Simply speaking it would require RedBull to have an agreement where a chassis builder, like Kalex for example would build bikes and call them RedBulls. That's exactly what they have done in F1 and it isn't a new trick either, a long time ago there were formula one cars entered as John Player Specials, despite the fact that they are just a tobacco company. It isn't unfeasible of course that RB could set up all the infrastructure from scratch, poaching staff and expertise from elswhere in the sport or industry, it'd be the same deal though at the end of the day
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That is simply not true. And that is not the way it works these days.

Adrian Newey is the magician behind the car/design, and he works for Red Bull. Just like Preziosi works for Ducati.

Red Bull designs their car in house. they own theyre own wind tunnel + autoclaves - vid here. - It is a full blown outfit. And definitely not a re-badging exercise.

I dont know where youve gotten the bunk info posted above, you may be confused with the torro rosso team. which used to outsource their car design to red bull (senior team).



Red Bull are just as much a true constructor as mclaren are.

as you said ferrari are the only current team to build their own engines. but they are a minority there.



Renault, Mercedes, Ford (cosworth), do not have a team, they soley supply. there are no 'works' teams like there are in motogp anymore.
 
lbennie said:
That is simply not true. And that is not the way it works these days.

Adrian Newey is the magician behind the car/design, and he works for Red Bull. Just like Preziosi works for Ducati.

Red Bull designs their car in house. they own theyre own wind tunnel + autoclaves - vid here. - It is a full blown outfit. And definitely not a re-badging exercise.
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A re-badging exercise is exactly what it is. RBR is Stewart GP re-badged. a lot of F1 teams have changed hands several times, this is fairly standard
 
Stewart GP-Jaguar-RBR

Tyrrell-BAR-Honda-Brawn-Mercedes

Toleman-Benetton-Renault

Jordan-Midland-Spyker-Force India

Minardi-STR



To name a few...
 
yes, but they arent out sourcing their chassis design. which was the point of yours i bolded.



so its more like, red bull buying HRT, than CRT
 
lbennie said:
yes, but they arent out sourcing their chassis design. which was the point of yours i bolded.



so its more like, red bull buying HRT, than CRT
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I didn't say they were out sourcing it, because i know that RedBull owns the team. If RedBull bought Kalex (for example), put their name on the workshop, named all the bikes RBxxx and all the current staff became emplyees of RedBull and wore the uniform, you'd have exactly the situation you have in F1. That is not totally unfeasible in the future of motogp. Whether or not this will actually happen i do not know.
 
Tom said:
I didn't say they were out sourcing it, because i know that RedBull owns the team. If RedBull bought Kalex (for example), put their name on the workshop, named all the bikes RBxxx and all the current staff became emplyees of RedBull and wore the uniform, you'd have exactly the situation you have in F1. That is not totally unfeasible in the future of motogp. Whether or not this will actually happen i do not know.
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Which would make them Red Bulls, just as Cagiva buying out Aermacchi Harley Davidson, went on to build Cagivas. (after the HD Cagiva period) Or Cagiva buying out Ducati, went on to build Ducatis, again, apart from a few desmo L twins badge as Cagivas, and of course the Elefant range. Then when Castiglioni ( the CA in Cagiva) bought MV Augusta, he built MV Augustas. Then bizarrely, Harley bought out MV and Harley built MVs.



Whats in a name eh?
 
Sorry if the google gang crash the sever looking up the last post.........
 
Oh yeah, and Montesa building Hondas in Spain which are still Hondas....
 
I'm going to sleep well tonight knowing I've ...... a few folks heads up
 
Tom said:
I didn't say they were out sourcing it, because i know that RedBull owns the team. If RedBull bought Kalex (for example), put their name on the workshop, named all the bikes RBxxx and all the current staff became emplyees of RedBull and wore the uniform, you'd have exactly the situation you have in F1. That is not totally unfeasible in the future of motogp. Whether or not this will actually happen i do not know.
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Correct, but that isn't what you said originally. You are using several different business arrangements interchangeably.



Red Bull did not acquire the RB7 from outside of the RBR organization. The RB7 was designed in house. Furthermore, it doesn't make any difference if a company buys F1 assets and hires F1 employees over 50 years, or if they acquire a team overnight. If Red Bull own it, it is 'Red Bull' without any asterisks. Furthermore, Newey, Horner, and Vettel were all hired by Red Bull. It's not correct to say they purchased a championship-winning team as part of a turnkey sale. They built the team, and they designed the car.



Red Bull work diligently to avoid playing the role of sponsor. They want to own the team and all intellectual property or media they can acquire. It becomes part of their "World of Red Bull" branding concept. It is one thing to dislike Mateschitz's empire, but you can't call him a sponsor or a licensee when he has spent his entire life refuting those business models.
 
basspete said:
Whats in a name eh?
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Marketting most of the time, that is my point. Marquez won the title on a Derbi last year, but anybody paying attention would credit Aprilia for that bike, even though it was paid for and owned by Piaggio.



mylexicon said:
It's not correct to say they purchased a championship-winning team as part of a turnkey sale. They built the team, and they designed the car.
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I'm not saying they purchased a championship winning team, i'm saying that they bought the means to do so and that it is worth making the distinction between Red Bull and Red Bull racing because although they are all part of the same parent group and ultimately funded from the same place, they are very different things. Red Bull could expand this philosophy to include a motorcycle racing manufacturer if they wanted.
 
We're still left with the question of why they've not done it with MotoGP when they've done it elsewhere. I know there's not as much money in it, but I can't imagine there was much money in freestyle motocross when they took over there. With their kind of input I reckon they could make a world beating team. "What's in a name" - I totally agree, we just need some more of them in MotoGP - I'm concerned that the CRT's aren't going to fit in to the world of MotoGP. If it's going to survive as a topflight championship it needs to maintain that excessive edge - http://whoneedsfourwheels.blogspot.com/2011/09/rumours-abound-looking-ahead-to-motogp.html It's not what the bike racing has been about in the past, but if it's going to survive it needs teams like Red Bull to bring the money and the coverage. Hopefully the CRT's will counterbalance their lack of pedigree with exciting racing, but we'll have to wait and see.
 
Tom said:
Marketting most of the time, that is my point. Marquez won the title on a Derbi last year, but anybody paying attention would credit Aprilia for that bike, even though it was paid for and owned by Piaggio.







I'm not saying they purchased a championship winning team, i'm saying that they bought the means to do so and that it is worth making the distinction between Red Bull and Red Bull racing because although they are all part of the same parent group and ultimately funded from the same place, they are very different things. Red Bull could expand this philosophy to include a motorcycle racing manufacturer if they wanted.
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Exactly, like BMW have done
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but yes. Red Bull create Energy drinks and Formula 1 cars and they are very good at the latter, not so good at the former lol
 

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