I enjoy watching both of the series beats F1 and just been reading articals on champCar and IndyCar. I know that indaycar are now running on ethanol. But can any you fine guys / girls tell me what are the main techincal differences between them. Engine size, makes etc etc etc
ChampCar Vs IndyCar
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (richo @ Jan 18 2007, 05:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think Indy cars are turbocharged, I don't know about champ cars though
Yeah I think they are too, Champ Cars are more like F1 cars than Indy Cars.
Yeah I think they are too, Champ Cars are more like F1 cars than Indy Cars.
Wiki solves:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Champ_Car
There was a pretty nasty split in the 90's when some people thought Indy cars were becoming too expensive and there were too many Euro drivers in the series.
So Indy (IRL) does mostly oval track and Champ are mostly road races. Viewer-ship is way down and considering the popularity of nascar having 2 open wheel series doesn't make much sense.
Watching the Indy 500 on Memorial Day was a like a religion when I was little - now it's like...oh yeah the 500 is on.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Champ_Car
There was a pretty nasty split in the 90's when some people thought Indy cars were becoming too expensive and there were too many Euro drivers in the series.
So Indy (IRL) does mostly oval track and Champ are mostly road races. Viewer-ship is way down and considering the popularity of nascar having 2 open wheel series doesn't make much sense.
Watching the Indy 500 on Memorial Day was a like a religion when I was little - now it's like...oh yeah the 500 is on.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (richo @ Jan 17 2007, 11:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think Indy cars are turbocharged, I don't know about champ cars though
The IRL Indycars are normally-aspirated, 3.0 liter V8s (they will go back to 3.5 liters this season, I think). Champ cars are turbocharged and much faster on any type of circuit.
Champ Cars are the real Indy cars; they were kicked out of Indy because the speedway owner thought, since he had Indy, he should control the whole series. You see, CART was a racing championship in and of itself, not some circus in which drivers bade their time until next year's 500. Tony and the old-school oval drivers didn't like this fancy-schmancy world series with its road and street courses. The foreign drivers didn't help things either.
The IRL was formed under the pretense that it would restore Indy's status as an arena for good 'ole American dirt track drivers and American ingenuity. Today the IRL is home to many of the former CART teams, not to mention those dreaded Brazilian drivers that just seem to keep on winning. Oh yeah, every car is powered by a Honda too. The IRL is even trying to become what CART was by adding more road and street courses (including old CART venues).
American Open Wheel racing is as good as dead. Not even the petit Danica Patrick can restore interest in the 500. I support the Champ Car World Series (what used to be CART) in spirit, but the reality is that I don't care anymore. With the ALMS struggling too, car racing in my country is dying. NASCAR will kill everything else, making fake racertainment the order of the day.
Just give me some bike racing so I can move on.
Another thing: the big open wheel split may have happened in '96, but many believe the split resulted from a grudge held by the American circle-track racers when: 1. dirt ovals were removed from the schedule and 2. when Colin Chapman brought his rear-engined lotus to Indy and Jim Clark won with it, thus setting a precedent for the superior rear-engined cars to phase out the roadsters (which were similar to the traditional dirt track sprint cars) and for talented European drivers to share in Indy 500 glory (something American dirt trackers like AJ Foyt called their own).
:sigh: RIP Indy and open-wheel racing
The IRL Indycars are normally-aspirated, 3.0 liter V8s (they will go back to 3.5 liters this season, I think). Champ cars are turbocharged and much faster on any type of circuit.
Champ Cars are the real Indy cars; they were kicked out of Indy because the speedway owner thought, since he had Indy, he should control the whole series. You see, CART was a racing championship in and of itself, not some circus in which drivers bade their time until next year's 500. Tony and the old-school oval drivers didn't like this fancy-schmancy world series with its road and street courses. The foreign drivers didn't help things either.
The IRL was formed under the pretense that it would restore Indy's status as an arena for good 'ole American dirt track drivers and American ingenuity. Today the IRL is home to many of the former CART teams, not to mention those dreaded Brazilian drivers that just seem to keep on winning. Oh yeah, every car is powered by a Honda too. The IRL is even trying to become what CART was by adding more road and street courses (including old CART venues).
American Open Wheel racing is as good as dead. Not even the petit Danica Patrick can restore interest in the 500. I support the Champ Car World Series (what used to be CART) in spirit, but the reality is that I don't care anymore. With the ALMS struggling too, car racing in my country is dying. NASCAR will kill everything else, making fake racertainment the order of the day.
Just give me some bike racing so I can move on.
Another thing: the big open wheel split may have happened in '96, but many believe the split resulted from a grudge held by the American circle-track racers when: 1. dirt ovals were removed from the schedule and 2. when Colin Chapman brought his rear-engined lotus to Indy and Jim Clark won with it, thus setting a precedent for the superior rear-engined cars to phase out the roadsters (which were similar to the traditional dirt track sprint cars) and for talented European drivers to share in Indy 500 glory (something American dirt trackers like AJ Foyt called their own).
:sigh: RIP Indy and open-wheel racing
Unrealistic as it is, could it not be saved by a merge of the two back into one premier open wheeled class? They are growing more similar anyway, i think it'd be a good move, but i can guess that the governing bodies wont agree.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Feb 19 2007, 01:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Unrealistic as it is, could it not be saved by a merge of the two back into one premier open wheeled class? They are growing more similar anyway, i think it'd be a good move, but i can guess that the governing bodies wont agree.
Yes! It would be a wonderful move! But it just does not seem likely.
Merger rumors and talks have started and stopped several times. Merger hopes hit a crescendo last summer, but now it seems to have ended. Champ Car is still adding events, international ones too, thereby making a unified schedule more difficult to compose. Most point to the ..... grandson as the .... block that keeps the IRL and Champ Car from mating.
A merger must happen soon. For the sake of Indy and Indy cars, let's hope hell freezes over in the next year or so...
Yes! It would be a wonderful move! But it just does not seem likely.
The CART world series came over to brands hatch a few years ago, i don't think they have been back since. I camped there for the weekend and it was a truly incredibel time, one of the best motorsports events i have ever seen. I'd absolutely love it if they came back.
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Well, after a winter of anticipation over the new, faster, and more cost-effective chassis there are only ten confirmed drivers for this year's Champ Car season. Ru_sport wil only run one car; the team is also looking into a partnership with Rocketsports Racing. Conquest will downsize to a one-car team as well, with Forsythe looking to do the same. The anticipated 22 to 24 cars seems unlikely at this point.
Champ Car president Steve Johnson, after a rash of Doom and Gloom from fans, posted, on the champcarfanatics.com forum, that positive announcements would be made at the Laguna Seca "spring training" weekend. What were the announcements? Mazda will replace Ford as the engine badger and pace car provider. Some manufacturer of rescue tools will sponsor the safety team. Also, some obscure computer networking firm will sponsor the Houston race. The announcements weren't necessarily negative, but are they really that exciting?
Wow...things are not looking good for the Champ Car end of the American Open Wheel scene. This year is pivotal for the series' survival. A good impression needs to be made on potential entrants and sponsors so that the series can grow in 2008. This year isn't looking too great, but if 2008 isn't much better, then what? ...sigh...
Champ Car president Steve Johnson, after a rash of Doom and Gloom from fans, posted, on the champcarfanatics.com forum, that positive announcements would be made at the Laguna Seca "spring training" weekend. What were the announcements? Mazda will replace Ford as the engine badger and pace car provider. Some manufacturer of rescue tools will sponsor the safety team. Also, some obscure computer networking firm will sponsor the Houston race. The announcements weren't necessarily negative, but are they really that exciting?
Wow...things are not looking good for the Champ Car end of the American Open Wheel scene. This year is pivotal for the series' survival. A good impression needs to be made on potential entrants and sponsors so that the series can grow in 2008. This year isn't looking too great, but if 2008 isn't much better, then what? ...sigh...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Feb 19 2007, 03:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The CART world series came over to brands hatch a few years ago, i don't think they have been back since. I camped there for the weekend and it was a truly incredibel time, one of the best motorsports events i have ever seen. I'd absolutely love it if they came back.
You could take a holiday and go to Assen, or Zolder.
You could take a holiday and go to Assen, or Zolder.
