Casey Stoner hits out at MotoGP fans after V8 Supercars move

michaelm

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Good points.


 


I am sure of one thing, Stoner did not want to  work more directly for dorna rather than for honda if the factories withdrew/were removed from motop, regardless of  whether it would be a good idea in general if they were gone.


Pursuant to your previous argument that stoner was incidental to rule changes by dorna whether or not they affected him, which I took on board and considered to be a valid line of argument, someone (presumably a stoner fan) has made the observation elsewhere that the level of dispute between dorna and honda appears to have diminished markedly now that there is no prospect of Stoner winning further world championships on an HRC bike, which could still of course be incidental to them having resolved their stand-off with both at least  partly getting what they wanted.

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That was me. Hey everyone, I said a clever. 


 


Now my new alter ego Rookoo talks. 


 


 


 


Because Carmelo is coward, how he show pig face and skinny boy while rooster strut in barn is ashamed. 


 


Sometime you twist pig and it squeal two loud then twist more and pig sleep like coward Carmelo with his little pig. 


 


Ina Spain you have contest and donkey get throwed under wheel of bus and everybody laugh and say that donkey funny that donkey funny and no more work for laugh and everybody on the bus has siesta, well not any more eat ice cream with coward Carmelo because he eat more salami than taco. 


 


And his breath smell like baby paste and monkey burp he ran away the brave rider to make his monkeyshines win egg spoon race by ban the big boys make his little lickspittle sook boy win.  


 


In spain everyone think he is donkey and they wait for bus to laugh at coward. And then have barbecue and laugh and Jumkie liked biggest .....  

Andy Roo

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That was me. Hey everyone, I said a clever. 

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Sorry andy, should have remembered it was you, too many memorable posts by you may have confused me. At least I didn't try to claim it as my own.

BJ.C

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Say what?


 


There are only a couple of teams that are also manufacturers, it's always been that way in F1 - right back to the early days teams bought an engine and threw it in a chassis or bought a car and modified it.


 


Red Bull/Toro Rosso are the Stewart/Jaguar team and Minardi, with a rebadge.


 


Both Stewart/Jaguar and Minardi used 'customer' engines and gearboxes from their inception.


 


Categorising them as based on "engine homologation and leasing" is BS - they make their chassis, as such are considered a 'constructor'. They don't lease anything to anyone else, but do lease their engines and trans, just like 80% of the rest of the F1 field.

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Do you know what rules were enacted for 2008-2009?

Andy Roo

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That was me. Hey everyone, I said a clever. 


 


Now my new alter ego Rookoo talks. 


 


 


 


Because Carmelo is coward, how he show pig face and skinny boy while rooster strut in barn is ashamed. 


 


Sometime you twist pig and it squeal two loud then twist more and pig sleep like coward Carmelo with his little pig. 


 


Ina Spain you have contest and donkey get throwed under wheel of bus and everybody laugh and say that donkey funny that donkey funny and no more work for laugh and everybody on the bus has siesta, well not any more eat ice cream with coward Carmelo because he eat more salami than taco. 


 


And his breath smell like baby paste and monkey burp he ran away the brave rider to make his monkeyshines win egg spoon race by ban the big boys make his little lickspittle sook boy win.  


 


In spain everyone think he is donkey and they wait for bus to laugh at coward. And then have barbecue and laugh and Jumkie liked biggest .....

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Were you wearing that Moose hat when you posted this, by any chance?


 


How are the towels - still squidgy?

Andy Roo

3418531359363102

That was me. Hey everyone, I said a clever. 


 


Now my new alter ego Rookoo talks. 


 


 


 


Because Carmelo is coward, how he show pig face and skinny boy while rooster strut in barn is ashamed. 


 


Sometime you twist pig and it squeal two loud then twist more and pig sleep like coward Carmelo with his little pig. 


 


Ina Spain you have contest and donkey get throwed under wheel of bus and everybody laugh and say that donkey funny that donkey funny and no more work for laugh and everybody on the bus has siesta, well not any more eat ice cream with coward Carmelo because he eat more salami than taco. 


 


And his breath smell like baby paste and monkey burp he ran away the brave rider to make his monkeyshines win egg spoon race by ban the big boys make his little lickspittle sook boy win.  


 


In spain everyone think he is donkey and they wait for bus to laugh at coward. And then have barbecue and laugh and Jumkie liked biggest .....  

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Channeling your inner Cuckoo?

Good on Casey if he can manage without the sport go for it


Fans gid him ..... it happens he'll; be missed


 


a least he ain't hung around on the Motogp Gray Train Cash Cow like some Milking IT.

I really think that Casey was fighting for the fans whether they knew it or not.  Right now we have a piece of .... series with piece of .... rules.  He saw this coming before most of the fans and tried to sway dorna in their decision making.  Dorna doesn't like someone who don't get in line and Casey felt the pressure.  Finally he had enough fighting and quit.  Now he is asking people to look at what they are supporting.  Casey didn't have all the answers but he really wanted what was best for the fans of the sport and also the riders who compete.  Right now we have neither.

SackWack

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I really think that Casey was fighting for the fans whether they knew it or not.  Right now we have a piece of .... series with piece of .... rules.  He saw this coming before most of the fans and tried to sway dorna in their decision making.  Dorna doesn't like someone who don't get in line and Casey felt the pressure.  Finally he had enough fighting and quit.  Now he is asking people to look at what they are supporting.  Casey didn't have all the answers but he really wanted what was best for the fans of the sport and also the riders who compete.  Right now we have neither.

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Sack,my man love for you grows by the day, you don't say much any more but what you do is superb. 


 


Well done compa! (is that right jum, compa?) 


 


I see it that way as well, a real battle is better than any script anyone, even Shakespeare could ever dream of and we can tell the difference. 

& The marketing as an Australian folk hero continues.

SackWack

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I really think that Casey was fighting for the fans whether they knew it or not.  Right now we have a piece of .... series with piece of .... rules.  He saw this coming before most of the fans and tried to sway dorna in their decision making.  Dorna doesn't like someone who don't get in line and Casey felt the pressure.  Finally he had enough fighting and quit.  Now he is asking people to look at what they are supporting.  Casey didn't have all the answers but he really wanted what was best for the fans of the sport and also the riders who compete.  Right now we have neither.

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Bravo - bravo, well said !


Gonna miss our Moaner not on 2wheels.

mylexicon

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Do you know what rules were enacted for 2008-2009?

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No doubt you will enlighten me, seeing as a complete recounting of a very large rulebook would be a bit of a yawn...

BJ.C

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No doubt you will enlighten me, seeing as a complete recounting of a very large rulebook would be a bit of a yawn...

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The rulebook doesn't come into play. The FIA enacted engine homologation for the 2008 season. The homologation rules were a bit ineffective for regulating horsepower so they equalized all engines in 2009, and drafted engine lease regulations in the Concorde Agreement. The engines were re-equalized by the FIA in 2010 at the request of Renault, who were considering withdrawal, and at the request of Cosworth, who were charged with supplying the teams who replaced BMW, Toyota, and Honda.


 


Prior to mandatory engine homologation and engine leasing, private teams required political connections or giant piles of cash to receive competitive engines. The Red Bull empire (and Brawn GP's 2009 triumph) was made possible by the new engine rules. MotoGP is moving closer to F1 regulations.

mylexicon

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The rulebook doesn't come into play. The FIA enacted engine homologation for the 2008 season. The homologation rules were a bit ineffective for regulating horsepower so they equalized all engines in 2009, and drafted engine lease regulations in the Concorde Agreement. The engines were re-equalized by the FIA in 2010 at the request of Renault, who were considering withdrawal, and at the request of Cosworth, who were charged with supplying the teams who replaced BMW, Toyota, and Honda.


 


Prior to mandatory engine homologation and engine leasing, private teams required political connections or giant piles of cash to receive competitive engines. The Red Bull empire (and Brawn GP's 2009 triumph) was made possible by the new engine rules. <u>MotoGP is moving closer to F1 regulations.</u>

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As I've alluded to before, the problem with this path is that MotoGP has no Cosworth equivalent. Unless they go 'semi-proddy/quasi-Superbike' like the CRTs  or prescribe the engine specs to the level that F1 does, I can't see one emerging.

Dr No

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As I've alluded to before, the problem with this path is that MotoGP has no Cosworth equivalent. Unless they go 'semi-proddy/quasi-Superbike' like the CRTs  or prescribe the engine specs to the level that F1 does, I can't see one emerging.

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True. We discussed the DFV concept when CRT teams were announced a few years ago. If not for the 81mm rule, the Ducati D16RR engine seemed like a nice fit for CRT teams.The absence of a DFV engine for the new 24L formula is probably down to economics. The MotoGP regulations are hardly stable, which suggests the manufacturer wouldn't be able to count on a long production run.


 


Anyway, this all circles back around to creating a formula with backwards compatibility to previous MotoGP formulas. Fuel-capacity regulations seemed like way forward, but since Honda were rumored to be mulling an F1 return with McLaren, perhaps fuel-flow-limiting is a possibility. If bikes are fuel flow limited, a new 81mm DFV would still be legal after the new formula was introduced.


 


I mention the sanctioning method b/c Stoner said he might consider returning to GP if the sport heads in a new direction. The MSMA have indicated that sanctioning methods could not change until 2017, at which point Stoner would be four-years-removed from MotoGP, and 31 years old. Seems unlikely, but you never know. Perhaps they could agree to keep the current engine technical restrictions, and then change the existing fuel system homologation?

Goatboy

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& The marketing as an Australian folk hero continues.

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The marketing of Australian folk heroes is pretty lowbrow. We have Brocky, Mick, and some horse thief from the 1800's with a bucket on his head. 

SackWack

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I really think that Casey was fighting for the fans whether they knew it or not.  Right now we have a piece of .... series with piece of .... rules.  He saw this coming before most of the fans and tried to sway dorna in their decision making.  Dorna doesn't like someone who don't get in line and Casey felt the pressure.  Finally he had enough fighting and quit.  Now he is asking people to look at what they are supporting.  Casey didn't have all the answers but he really wanted what was best for the fans of the sport and also the riders who compete.  Right now we have neither.

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All Stoner did was using the Dorna rules and things as an excuse for his cowardly exit from MotoGP. All the excuses are made up so that alot of people will be tricked into thinking he quit because he lost his love for MotoGP.

Very smart and cunning guy Mr. Stoner,...but very coward at the same time.


It was very very disgusting of Stoner to use the reason how Dorna and MotoGP world treats the death of Simoncelli as the reason he quit. Thats a very very low class action from a coward.

But, seriously, we should expect this type of attitude from a coward.

Stoner tells the world he is expecting 1 minutes silence to mourn the death of Simoncelli every race weekend for the next 5 to 10 years, then only he is satisfied.

Pure excuses for cowardly quitting MotoGP.



In actual fact, deep inside his heart, Stoner felt relieve there is one less big hairball racer who could knock him out anytime.

cuckoo bird

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All Stoner did was using the Dorna rules and things as an excuse for his cowardly exit from MotoGP. All the excuses are made up so that alot of people will be tricked into thinking he quit because he lost his love for MotoGP.

Very smart and cunning guy Mr. Stoner,...but very coward at the same time.


It was very very disgusting of Stoner to use the reason how Dorna and MotoGP world treats the death of Simoncelli as the reason he quit. Thats a very very low class action from a coward.

But, seriously, we should expect this type of attitude from a coward.

Stoner tells the world he is expecting 1 minutes silence to mourn the death of Simoncelli every race weekend for the next 5 to 10 years, then only he is satisfied.

Pure excuses for cowardly quitting MotoGP.



In actual fact, deep inside his heart, Stoner felt relieve there is one less big hairball racer who could knock him out anytime.

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You are a little offensive today, wind it back to funny please.


 


Now you suggest that Casey was in some way relieved at the death of Marco. That is just a plain stupid unfunny statement.  

Andy Roo

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The marketing of Australian folk heroes is pretty lowbrow. We have Brocky, Mick, and some horse thief from the 1800's with a bucket on his head. 

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& You're still holding celebrations of bucket head.

If you want to refer to his recent funeral as a celebration...go ahead.


 


I wear a bucket on my head. A lovely clear one that doesn't even mist up as I slide into boiling radioactive water.

Goatboy

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& You're still holding celebrations of bucket head.

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One of my pet hates = Ned Kelly worship. 


 


Everyone conveniently sidesteps the fact he murdered a 6 year old girl on his path to becoming a folk hero. He was responsible for no real social change, Peter Lalor is an Australian folk hero. Ned Kelly was no better than Martin Bryant.