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Casey Stoner hits out at MotoGP fans after V8 Supercars move

This will no doubt throw up another Rossi Vs Stoner debate, and the usual response from the coward that is Cuckoo Bird :p. I am a Stoner fan i'll admit, the guy can ride but even i'm not getting sick of hearing his comments on the current state of MotoGP. A price of success is having some people not like you, and there are plenty of other top athletes out there who get or got jeered at during their time at the top of their profession. Alain Prost used to have to have police protection everywhere he went when racing in Brazil as Senna fans hated him that much. There are also the MASS majority of fans who didn't want to 'push you off your scooter' in the paddock Casey.


 


We respect your decision to move on. We respect your decision to clarify the reason why you moved on, when you made the decision public.


But for the love of god, stop moaning and pissing on the very sport which made you, which gave you everything and allowed you to 'retire' and ever have to work another day in your life at just 27 years old.
 
Stoner - "We had a lack of respect from a lot of people around the sport and I didn't like the direction it was taking.



Stoner should not expect to earn respect of racing fans when he ran away from challenge in 2009 by faking his mysterious illness and giving puke in helmet syndrom. After faking this illness and hide in the lakes fishing to give excuse why he lost 2009 title, he expects the fans to respect him? It can't happen right?



Stoner - "We got spat at [by fans], they tried to knock us off scooters going from the motor homes to the pits"



These are just part of his long list of excuses for retiring in 2012, the real reason is because he is afraid of the challenges of the rising Marc Marquez taking away his unofficial title of best of the generation.



Stoner - "We lost a rider a couple of years ago, and within a month it was like it never happened. They want to see biff and barge and they don't realise our lives are on the line."



Another list of excuse for his 2012 retirement...sigh, does Stoner expects Dorna to have one minute silence for Simoncelli every race weekends for the next 5 years?

Stoner is a hypocrite, he is in fact happy that Simoncelli got that fatal accident, because the big hairball guy can punch him in the face anytime due to his arrogance.
 
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<p style="margin-left:0px;WTF... stupid bird's genuflecting to turds now... bow down oh ye worshippers of poop!!!
 
The BBC is guilty of the same antics displayed at Donnington in 2008. In short, attempting to wind up the British contingent for profit and scandal, by exaggerating Stoner's lack of diplomacy. Stoner was explaining why he fell out of love with the sport. Those overarching contextual remarks were conveniently omitted in the BBC article, and Stoner's reasons for leaving the sport and his descriptions of run-ins with fans were characterized as 'hitting out'. Sad tactics by the Beeb.


 


The Autosport version avoids cherry-picking controversial statements and misrepresenting the purpose of the interview, though the title is a bit inflammatory.


 


The most quote is that he implied he would return to MotoGP if the sport made dramatic changes: "But if I see the sport changing dramatically, to the point that it is interesting, there is every chance."
 
I would rather some piece of .... kick me square in the balls as spit on me. That is one thing that is guaranteed to get the most violent physical response i have buried deep in my soul. Casey does need to get his head out of his ... and realize that the world doesnt always work the way he wants it to. Strill would love to see him back on a GP bike.
 
mylexicon
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The BBC is guilty of the same antics displayed at Donnington in 2008. In short, attempting to wind up the British contingent for profit and scandal, by exaggerating Stoner's lack of diplomacy. Stoner was explaining why he fell out of love with the sport. Those overarching contextual remarks were conveniently omitted in the BBC article, and Stoner's reasons for leaving the sport and his descriptions of run-ins with fans were characterized as 'hitting out'. Sad tactics by the Beeb.

 

The Autosport version avoids cherry-picking controversial statements and misrepresenting the purpose of the interview, though the title is a bit inflammatory.

 

The most quote is that he implied he would return to MotoGP if the sport made dramatic changes: "But if I see the sport changing dramatically, to the point that it is interesting, there is every chance."
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So kicking & punching people in the past didn't illustrate his lack of diplomacy by itself?
 
Goatboy
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So kicking & punching people in the past didn't illustrate his lack of diplomacy by itself?
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I'd like to call your attention to Exhibit A--Boppers who do not believe it is possible to exaggerate Casey Stoner's character flaws.
 
mylexicon
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The BBC is guilty of the same antics displayed at Donnington in 2008. In short, attempting to wind up the British contingent for profit and scandal, by exaggerating Stoner's lack of diplomacy. Stoner was explaining why he fell out of love with the sport. Those overarching contextual remarks were conveniently omitted in the BBC article, and Stoner's reasons for leaving the sport and his descriptions of run-ins with fans were characterized as 'hitting out'. Sad tactics by the Beeb.


 


The Autosport version avoids cherry-picking controversial statements and misrepresenting the purpose of the interview, though the title is a bit inflammatory.


 


The most quote is that he implied he would return to MotoGP if the sport made dramatic changes: "But if I see the sport changing dramatically, to the point that it is interesting, there is every chance."
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Even I think that if his position is that he has taken a principled stand to leave a sport which is on the road to perdition to get on with his life he should get on with his life.


 


On this occasion however he has not sought out journalists for the purpose of denigrating the sport of gp bike racing. He is still a public figure since he is now engaging in another (very minor imo) competitive sport, and it is not unreasonable for him to attend a press conference on his signing for that  sport, and inevitable  in such a press conference both that he will be asked about motogp and that this will elicit his usual stream of consciousness replies.


 


Of interest to me is that he says marco simoncelli's death was a major factor in his retirement. He is also rather humble about his prospects in V8 supercar racing.
 
povol
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I would rather some piece of .... kick me square in the balls as spit on me. That is one thing that is guaranteed to get the most violent physical response i have buried deep in my soul. Casey does need to get his head out of his ... and realize that the world doesnt always work the way he wants it to. Strill would love to see him back on a GP bike.
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Met too, I've near killed people who have spat on me and forgiven blokes who have punched me within seconds. 


 


I hate spitters, they never get forgiven. 


 


If I was at a sporting event and saw Australian fans spit at somebody, I'd start the brawl. The purpose of the brawl would be to see how well cnts could spit without teeth. 


 


Some pommie fans can be real cnts (I qualify this by saying I was in England during an Australian Rugby League tour and the way those idiots carried on had me claiming to be South African). 
 
michaelm
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Even I think that if his position is that he has taken a principled stand to leave a sport which is on the road to perdition to get on with his life he should get on with his life.


 


On this occasion however he has not sought out journalists for the purpose of denigrating the sport of gp bike racing. He is still a public figure since he is now engaging in another (very minor imo) competitive sport, and it is not unreasonable for him to attend a press conference on his signing for that  sport, and inevitable  in such a press conference both that he will be asked about motogp and that this will elicit his usual stream of consciousness replies.


 


Of interest to me is that he says marco simoncelli's death was a major factor in his retirement. He is also rather humble about his prospects in V8 supercar racing.
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I'm ambivalent regarding the merits Stoner's post-retirement MotoGP activities. Without a doubt, Stoner's reputation and brand would improve if he moved on. Should his primary focus be his own reputation? Is it possible for Stoner to care about his reputation?


 


Though Stoner is thousands of miles from MotoGP, and it appears as though he has moved on to V8 pastures, he's still in the house of Red Bull. He's not terribly far removed from people who have significant sway within MotoGP. Red Bull's F1 empire was predicated on engine homologation and leasing, interesting that both engine homologation and engine leasing will be part of MotoGP.


 


This is not to say that Casey might return, but I wonder what is proximity really is to MotoGP and the important GP players. Mick is his next door neighbor, right? Nakamoto will probably harass him at least once a month.
 
mylexicon
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I'm ambivalent regarding the merits Stoner's post-retirement MotoGP activities. Without a doubt, Stoner's reputation and brand would improve if he moved on. Should his primary focus be his own reputation? Is it possible for Stoner to care about his reputation?


 


Though Stoner is thousands of miles from MotoGP, and it appears as though he has moved on to V8 pastures, he's still in the house of Red Bull. He's not terribly far removed from people who have significant sway within MotoGP. Red Bull's F1 empire was predicated on engine homologation and leasing, interesting that both engine homologation and engine leasing will be part of MotoGP.


 


This is not to say that Casey might return, but I wonder what is proximity really is to MotoGP and the important GP players. Mick is his next door neighbor, right? Nakamoto will probably harass him at least once a month.
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Good points.


 


I am sure of one thing, Stoner did not want to  work more directly for dorna rather than for honda if the factories withdrew/were removed from motop, regardless of  whether it would be a good idea in general if they were gone.


Pursuant to your previous argument that stoner was incidental to rule changes by dorna whether or not they affected him, which I took on board and considered to be a valid line of argument, someone (presumably a stoner fan) has made the observation elsewhere that the level of dispute between dorna and honda appears to have diminished markedly now that there is no prospect of Stoner winning further world championships on an HRC bike, which could still of course be incidental to them having resolved their stand-off with both at least  partly getting what they wanted.
 
mylexicon
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I'd like to call your attention to Exhibit A--Boppers who do not believe it is possible to exaggerate Casey Stoner's character flaws.
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Meanwhile on planet earth...


Hardly an exaggeration was it, should he be immune from any criticism?


I'm sure I don't need to point out to those that were not here at the time, that both times I saw Casey Stoner win I clapped him across the line, & clapped him receiving the winners trophy.


EDIT: & I was the only person in all of Silverstone 2009 to give Lorenzo a standing ovation.
 
Goatboy
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Meanwhile on planet earth...


Hardly an exaggeration was it, should he be immune from any criticism?


I'm sure I don't need to point out to those that were not here at the time, that both times I saw Casey Stoner win I clapped him across the line, & clapped him receiving the winners trophy.


EDIT: & I was the only person in all of Silverstone 2009 to give Lorenzo a standing ovation.
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Certainly should be over being booed.


 


There is some precedent though for public figures, even Englishmen, petulant or otherwise,  taking exception to and holding something of a grudge in regard to being spat at by audience members, paying customers though the spitters may be and generous though the remuneration of the performer or performers concerned may be, and to expound on it at greater length than Stoner has thus far, cf PInk Floyd's "The  Wall".
 
mylexicon, on 28 Jan 2013 - 10:10, said:


 


Red Bull's F1 empire was predicated on engine homologation and leasing
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Say what?


 


There are only a couple of teams that are also manufacturers, it's always been that way in F1 - right back to the early days teams bought an engine and threw it in a chassis or bought a car and modified it.


 


Red Bull/Toro Rosso are the Stewart/Jaguar team and Minardi, with a rebadge.


 


Both Stewart/Jaguar and Minardi used 'customer' engines and gearboxes from their inception.


 


Categorising them as based on "engine homologation and leasing" is BS - they make their chassis, as such are considered a 'constructor'. They don't lease anything to anyone else, but do lease their engines and trans, just like 80% of the rest of the F1 field.
 
Andy Roo
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Met too, I've near killed people who have spat on me and forgiven blokes who have punched me within seconds. 


 


I hate spitters, they never get forgiven. 


 


If I was at a sporting event and saw Australian fans spit at somebody, I'd start the brawl. The purpose of the brawl would be to see how well cnts could spit without teeth. 


 


Some pommie fans can be real cnts (I qualify this by saying I was in England during an Australian Rugby League tour and the way those idiots carried on had me claiming to be South African). 
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Thanks Andy, that made my chuckle! I had pictures in my head of some gruff guy smacking you in the chops in a bar, and 10 seconds later you're having a pint with him ;)
 
michaelm
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someone (presumably a stoner fan) has made the observation elsewhere that the level of dispute between dorna and honda appears to have diminished markedly now that there is no prospect of Stoner winning further world championships on an HRC bike, which could still of course be incidental to them having resolved their stand-off with both at least  partly getting what they wanted.
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Interesting. I hadn't considered the coincidence of Stoner's departure and peace in the GPC.
 

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