I mean the bike only not the seat in the factory team. Spies is riding well and the results are starting to come. Where does the rookie rule prevent Yamaha from giving Spies Rossi's bike? Not sure how it would apply with the engine rule though. Thoughts?
Can Yamaha gives Spies Rossi's bike?
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The bike only mind you. Ok the engine rule would be virtually impossible but the electronics, chassis etc. Why not?
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Rovrum S,Yorks Eng
Think Burgess said in the past there the same
as are Ducati / Pramac
but are they
these rules rookie etc are hurting a little now before we had team reshuffles etc
but now its not good for the show
test riders no bodys coming in and again this weekend a small field is showing its ugly head Melandri out ? he not in WUP
Akiyoshi has binned it in Wup
Motogp the pinnacle in bike racing i think not
Just watch Superpole later about 3pm to see why
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Norah Head
ANyone else remember whatJB said the other day on Ch 10? I got the impression if they wanted Spies would get the ride, the rooky rule is not really a problem, but there are other considerations for Spies and Tech 3.
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Well said. Dorna needs to move up the 1000cc claiming rules bikes. The grid is bulimic.
I don't have any inside knowledge, but I don't see why they can't give him anything they like. My understanding is that the engines are only sealed when they are brought into use, so they presumably can give him a full factory engine for his next engine and it would come out of his engine allocation rather than rossi's; the only consideration would be how many engines out of his own allocation have been used. I think engines used up by rossi's replacement do come out of rossi's allocation hence the apparent preference for a sedate rider; it was said engines used up by kallio in his stint on casey's bike would come out of casey's allocation last year but I am unaware if this actually happened. Speculation that as the yamaha signed rider with tech 3 spies may be getting better equipment than colin doesn't seem unreasonable either, not that I don't think he is considerably better than colin anyway particularly at this stage in their respective careers.
So they CAN give him a factory spec engine it seems, it just becomes part of his engine allocation. Therefore giving him Rossi's bike ( maybe I should say factory spec) ,which I think they will do if they haven't already, like they did in Valencia last year would be logical for the manufacturers championship and to prepare him for next year and beyond. If they haven't done it yet then it makes his recent performances all the more impressive.
Spalding was saying the differences aren't with the engines themsleves so much but the electronics that drive the engines. Factory bike have a much more sophisticated electronic mapping system that allows more performance from the engine. What Spies needs is those upgrades in electronics, and a factory support team to tweak it for him.
Spies could have stepped up and taken Rossi's ride, the rookie rule does not prevent that. Otherwise, Yamaha couldn't have given Rossi's ride to the test rider, who doesn't have 9 races in one MotoGP season (which is the definition). The reasons were more political, and had to do with sponsorship inside the Tech 3 team.
Yamaha could fire Rossi after three races and replace him with Spies. Spies then becomes a contracted rider, and that's now allowed. But coming in as a replacement is no problem.
Fair enough. But why don't they just change fairings and give him Rossi's bike anyway?
Why would they? His objective this year is to learn as much as possible, why make that more difficult by giving him a different bike?
Not different, better. Gresini (Simoncelli I think) have one factory spec bike. Gibernau (Kato's) had one when he was with them too. My understanding with Yamaha was cost. Well this wouldn't cost them a thing whilst Rossi is out.
That's true, but it's easier to learn if you keep as many variables unchanged as possible. Once again, Spies job - and that of his crew - is to learn how to be ride (and run) a MotoGP bike. They are preparing (and being prepared) to take over Rossi's spot in the factory team. Giving Spies Rossi's bike, or moving him up into the factory team, merely disrupts that process. Yamaha are thinking long term here, and don't need Spies to perform. After all, they have a man riding for them who has four wins and two second places. Spies has time.
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Rovrum S,Yorks Eng
You weren't alone. The finest minds in the paddock didn't have a clue as to what would or would not be allowed. It was all a bit farcical, and a sign of really bad rulemaking.
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unda cheese
Interesting how you say Spies job is to learn how to RUN a motogp bike. We view things based upon how you place in races. The teams seem to view rookie performance on how well they are able to adapt to the limited setup variables available to them. Spies was surprised at how little he was able to tinker with the setup as compared to SBK. At this point would you say that Yamaha is just training him to see if he is able understand and implement the setup process of a motogp bike?
Krop. What happened to your site? It seems as if you are nowhere to be found anymore and Emmet is the only one there. I greatly enjoyed reading your articles, especially the race report. Now it seems as if it's primarily a news site. I used to go there to get information and opinion that the other moto sites wouldn't have. To be honest I never go there anymore because it's become ordinary.
Fair enough but still not logical. With limited testing now, it makes more sense to give him as much time on the factory bike as possible just like they did in Valencia last year. Simoncelli is also on a learning curve too and he's improving all the time. Honda gave Rossi a factory bike when he came up, Kato got the same too since it was clear it was just a matter of time before he went to Repsol. Maybe it makes no difference for Spies anyway, since he seems to adapt so quickly. He jumped straight off a Superbike and beat Dovi to 6th place at Valencia on completely different machinery, tyres, brakes and electronics. So how can Rossi's bike be more different than a Superbike compared to the Tech3?
