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Can Dorna,MSMA or the FIM do anything for this year

browney said:
Unfortionately the control tyre has also not worked, something bridgestone should be blamed for (and consistant as they also did a terrible job of producing a tyre for good racing in F1, why would they be signed again? I hope there are some significant performance aspects to the contract.)
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Keep in mind that Bridgestone do NOT want to be a control tire supplier. As Bridgestone have said on many occasions, single supplier only generates negative press b/c the riders can only complain. Tires never make the difference between a win and a loss. If you remember back to 2007-2008, Bridgestone didn't even want to supply Rossi b/c they thought it was worth more to the company for advertising and development to beat Rossi/Michelin.



Bridgestone are probably just going through the motions, and Dorna's cost target for tires likely prohibits Bstone from making anything revolutionary. Dorna have hired Bstones ex-racing-director. I'm quite certain Bridgestone, Dorna, and the new consultant, whose name eludes me, are working on some kind of tire war regulations.
 
Mr Squiggle said:
I dont agree with the first part of your post but everything afterwards I concur.



I don't think it was so much that there was good racing during the 990cc era especially when Rossi was on the Honda.....Rossi was a cut above the rest of the riders on the grid at that time and simply played with them until about 3-5 laps to go and then put the hammer down and pulled a second a lap on the competition....it was a matter of playing to the crowds not actually real entertainment like we saw in the races during the 500cc heyday.



Rossi is a master of "the show" and he gained a lot of fans because of this but he was always in control of the race despite the "drama" he instigated through the use of these tactics - he is not the fastest now and he has been usurped by both Stoner and Lorenzo in terms of outright speed. Which is why we are currently seeing more of his dark side than ever before with his bitching about his competition being ....... etc etc.
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1000% correct. Most of the races in the 990 era that Rossi won, he could have won by 10+ seconds had he wanted to. That would not have played as well as him hounding other riders then putting them away with 3 laps to go. It was entertaining, but after awhile, you knew what was coming. He now has riders who are better or his equal on better machinery, and it is showing on the track. Equal machinery would put Rossi near the front again, but he would not dominate Stoner or Lorenzo.
 
With the exception of every race at istanbul the 990's where kinda lame. But there was usually good battles somewhere on the track. Just maybe not for the win, but more entertaining than these 800 pos's. Even the scud was fast at istanbul. If you have access check them out.
 
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Mr Squiggle said:
Hehe classic Mdub
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He is probably already getting them being Bridgestones development rider
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I was watching Eurosports coverage yesterday and after the Moto2 race they had a "best battles" segment where they replay a great race from the past....they showed the 91 Assen race and what an absolute classic that was......those were the days (I sound like an old fart now).....Rainey, Schwantz, Doohan, Gardner and Lawson all going hammer and tongs on two stroke racing 500's - oh the joy!



As I sat and watched the race it hit home how much we have lost......the Dunlop/Michellin tyre war (some guys were running Dunlop front and Michellin rear - as Ryder said before the race you wouldn't see that in today's corporatised world), the competitiveness of Yamaha, Honda, Suzuki (and even Cagiva with Eddie Lawson on board), the original track layout of Assen, the depth of quality of the riders, 135,000 screaming horn-tooting Dutch fans going ballistic every time their heroes passed by and the sheer bravery on display as real men fought and wrestled those evil, anti-electronic, wheel spinning, powersliding, smoke belching beasts around the track - how sad it is that the sport I grew up watching has changed so radically in recent times that I hardly recognise it at all.
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Totally agree - without going totally SBK - MotoGP needs to get back to being bikes - not control tires and electronics
 
When spec tire was introduced, I had no faith that it would be fair, I just simply assuming everybody woudl run Rossi's spec tire and call it a single tire rule.
 
A snippet from interview on Krops site:





Tohru Ubukata – General Manager, Bridgestone Motorsport Tyre Development Department

"From an allocation point of view, the new regulations worked just fine. They mean that we need to bring more tyres to each Grand Prix, simply because we are offering riders a greater choice, but the system of allocating them is largely unchanged. Once we have prepared the various compound options, it is the FIM's Technical Director who actually determines which riders get which tyres, as by doing it this way round we can ensure complete impartiality.



I thought the tyre handout was a random process. From this bolded comment above it seems it is not.



My questions are based on having no experience with race tyres: How easy is it to determine the build quality of a tyre from a visual inspection? How easy would it be to pick out a half dozen good ones and a half dozen bad ones and for the FIM Technical Director to hand out the best ones to a particular rider and the bad ones to another and subsequently have an impact on the race results?



There haven't been too many reports about strange occurrences with tyres except for the 2 races prior to Laguna where Stoner had unusual issues with his tyres.

Is there still room for dodgy .... however slight, to happen with tyres in the interests of tightening up the championship?
 
It is random. The FIM do the random allocation and they give Bridgestone their marching orders as to which tires have been assigned to which rider. If Bridgestone designated tire allocation they could easily manipulate the process.
 
mylexicon said:
It is random. The FIM do the random allocation and they give Bridgestone their marching orders as to which tires have been assigned to which rider. If Bridgestone designated tire allocation they could easily manipulate the process.
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cough pirelli cough World Superbikes cough
 
Bigguy said:
Pirelli makes different tires for different bikes, don't they? Talk about ease of manipulation...
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No. Pirelli gives the old shoddy tires that don't work to the teams who suck anyway. At least, that is the accusation. From time to time, someone accuses them of always using the tires that Ducati request.
 

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