Can Dorna,MSMA or the FIM do anything for this year

browney said:

This season has been the worst, in terms of racing, since I have been watching MotoGP. I have even turned off a couple of races to go to sleep, which is amazing for someone who has travelled 800Km to watch one of the races only a couple of years ago (o.k, fair enough, in Australia that is only the distance to the nearest city... but you get my point).



Is there anything that the powers in charge of the sport can do this year to get the racing closer. Rule changes are obviously wrong mid season but I believe that a lot of the fault is on Bridgestone who have made tyres that cause problems for a lot of riders. There have been too many falls injuring riders and too few riders that we know that are tallented, who can ride with them. Pirelli seemed to have done a much better job in SBK and F1, but we are stuck with Bridgestone for a while.



I am surprised that more hasn't been done as if I was a sponsor or a TV network, I would be furious with Dorna at the moment and putting a lot of pressure on them.

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they could give rossi over night specials, that will help.

MdubSTYLIE said:

they could give rossi over night specials, that will help.

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Hehe classic Mdub



He is probably already getting them being Bridgestones development rider



I was watching Eurosports coverage yesterday and after the Moto2 race they had a "best battles" segment where they replay a great race from the past....they showed the 91 Assen race and what an absolute classic that was......those were the days (I sound like an old fart now).....Rainey, Schwantz, Doohan, Gardner and Lawson all going hammer and tongs on two stroke racing 500's - oh the joy!



As I sat and watched the race it hit home how much we have lost......the Dunlop/Michellin tyre war (some guys were running Dunlop front and Michellin rear - as Ryder said before the race you wouldn't see that in today's corporatised world), the competitiveness of Yamaha, Honda, Suzuki (and even Cagiva with Eddie Lawson on board), the original track layout of Assen, the depth of quality of the riders, 135,000 screaming horn-tooting Dutch fans going ballistic every time their heroes passed by and the sheer bravery on display as real men fought and wrestled those evil, anti-electronic, wheel spinning, powersliding, smoke belching beasts around the track - how sad it is that the sport I grew up watching has changed so radically in recent times that I hardly recognise it at all.



I think many factors have contributed to the demise of not only good racing but also the general spectacle for me....the dinky track layouts we see at many venues these days ( I miss Spa and Hockenheim in particular), the advent of electronica, the fair weather fans who have only one favoured rider and feel compelled to denigrate all other competitors, the BS control tire, the lack of true racing characters like Sheene and Schwantz or gentlemen like Rainey and Lawson, the sheer number of stupid rules and regulations that have been introduced in recent times to save costs and enforce a psuedo-parity, the Eurocentric flavour and favoritism on display towards riders of particular nationalities, the corporate raping of sport in general and the vested interests now running the show are all contributing to what is now an emaciated spectre of its former herculean stature as the premiere sporting event on gods green earth.



So how can we return to these heady days and reinstate premiere class motorcycle racing to its former glory....As sad as I am to say this I unfortunately don't believe it is possible in today's sanitised, politically correct, corporatised world - and that is a tragedy of epic proportions. Maybe we can get closer racing and a better spectacle by fixing some of the issues I have outlined but I don't think we will ever see another truly golden era like we did in the early to mid 90's - and that is the reality of MotoGP in its present day incarnation.

I guess you ignore all the great races of the 800 cause it was mostly Rossi who won them. So here is another reason for you for the 'demise' of motoGP- Rossi haters.

Evolution said:

I guess you ignore all the great races of the 800 cause it was mostly Rossi who won them. So here is another reason for you for the 'demise' of motoGP- Rossi haters.

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Hehe you are such a tool!



Stoner has won the most 800cc races not Rossi....look it up in the big book of facts you mollusc

Evolution said:

I guess you ignore all the great races of the 800 cause it was mostly Rossi who won them. So here is another reason for you for the 'demise' of motoGP- Rossi haters.

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Honestly, you should change your name to de-evolution. You are the perfect example of the de-evolution of the human race. This was surely written with you in mnd.





http://www.experienceproject.com/stories/Think-De-evolution-Is-In-Full-Swing/38584

browney said:

I disagree, I think we had good racing during the 990s, with the occasional good showing from each manufacturer and winners from factory bikes. I think parts of the 2000s were a golden era.



Then they killed the goose that laid the golden egg by introducing waves of bad rules like the fuel limit and the 800cc bikes. While introducing these rules they have refused to limit any form of traction control (which makes no sense as many rule changes have been made to limit costs and the electronics can't help to lower corner speed or development costs). Unfortionately the control tyre has also not worked, something bridgestone should be blamed for (and consistant as they also did a terrible job of producing a tyre for good racing in F1, why would they be signed again? I hope there are some significant performance aspects to the contract.)



It is probably time to wrestle a lot of control back from the MSMA as they obviously don't have a lot of regard for what the fans or sponsors want. I am actually quite suprised that Dorna don't have more say in the technical rules. As the people effectively paying for the series, they must surely be the most pssed off with the rabbit hole the rules have taken them down. They are only a manufacturer dropping out (or even some satellite teams sick of spending a fortune to be no where near the TV cameras) away from not having a series to sell.



Basically the format to good racing is staring them in the face, they have done it before and SBK is doing a better job of it now (even with financial difficulties causing a lack of teams). F1 managed to bring itself back to interesting racing, which is much more difficult as those cars are more expensive and physics makes good racing hard for them.

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I dont agree with the first part of your post but everything afterwards I concur.



I don't think it was so much that there was good racing during the 990cc era especially when Rossi was on the Honda.....Rossi was a cut above the rest of the riders on the grid at that time and simply played with them until about 3-5 laps to go and then put the hammer down and pulled a second a lap on the competition....it was a matter of playing to the crowds not actually real entertainment like we saw in the races during the 500cc heyday.



Rossi is a master of "the show" and he gained a lot of fans because of this but he was always in control of the race despite the "drama" he instigated through the use of these tactics - he is not the fastest now and he has been usurped by both Stoner and Lorenzo in terms of outright speed. Which is why we are currently seeing more of his dark side than ever before with his bitching about his competition being ....... etc etc.

easy answer put the lot of them in a room together with guns the last man standing wins

there all killed and the last man standing then gets run over by a bus and killed the same day



then i might have some interest in this .... sport that has been utterly destroyed by the powers that be and the stupid 800cc farce

the 2011 is the worst ever i will watch anything bare motogp these days F1.Motorstv BTCC anything bare this crap



from someone who's been watching and going to bike racing since the 60's

And there isnt anything anyone can say the convince me other wise MOTOGP Today is ....

its not even worth the time and effort pressing a button on a tv remote control to find it when its on

Whats wrong with MGP!!?????





Its been one of the best, if not the best, year ever in MGP!



So many possible championship winning possibilities so many race winners!

single tire rule ha ruined it. JB predicited it and now has come to fruition.

BarryMachine said:

Whats wrong with MGP!!?????

Its been one of the best, if not the best, year ever in MGP!



So many possible championship winning possibilities so many race winners!

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Mr Squiggle said:

I don't think it was so much that there was good racing during the 990cc era especially when Rossi was on the Honda.....Rossi was a cut above the rest of the riders on the grid at that time and simply played with them until about 3-5 laps to go and then put the hammer down and pulled a second a lap on the competition....it was a matter of playing to the crowds not actually real entertainment like we saw in the races during the 500cc heyday.



Rossi is a master of "the show" and he gained a lot of fans because of this but he was always in control of the race despite the "drama" he instigated through the use of these tactics - he is not the fastest now and he has been usurped by both Stoner and Lorenzo in terms of outright speed. Which is why we are currently seeing more of his dark side than ever before with his bitching about his competition being ....... etc etc.

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Never has more true words been spoken... VR simply made it "look" exciting in many cases, but the reality was that rarely did any of his competitors have a real chance of beating him... Must have shocked the crap out of Vale that time that Gibbers snuck past him on the last lap at Germany... Don't think that he was on the Xmas card list after that

Evolution said:

I guess you ignore all the great races of the 800 cause it was mostly Rossi who won them. So here is another reason for you for the 'demise' of motoGP- Rossi haters.

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If the long term fortunes of Moto GP revolve solely on the fortunes & whims of one Mr V Rossi, then the fate of the sport was signed it's death warrant years ago...



He has been & still is a fabulous rider & has at times been an absolute genius. Not even the "Rossi haters" that you speak of would deny this, but I'm afraid that the sport was around for a very long time prior to his arrival & will be around a long time after his departure...



The "showmanship" that VR brought was what endeared him to so many fans, including me... But let's be honest, Barry Sheene was getting up to mischief before Vale was even a twinkle in his Dad's eye



The enemies of the sport are ever spiraling costs, falling sponsorships and constant meddling with the technical rules in order to achieve the holy grail of equality, rather than anything to do with the rise & fall of one motorcycling's heroes...



Cheers,

Matt

Pinky said:

single tire rule ha ruined it. JB predicited it and now has come to fruition.

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here in lies the truth of the matter, and serious noise finally starting to be made, Jorge has even stated that the tyres are worse this year than last!!



Is it possible that bridgestone is that comfortable that they are just rolling out rubber from a stockpile created in 2009-2010......



They are in a very serious situation, no matter how you look at it, the racing has been nothing short of abismal all season, and most of last season. From an outsider pov it would seem that pressurizing bs to provide more rubber options may provide the most effective chance to bring the field together in the shortest possible time.



Rubber, along with a removal of all fuel computers and an increase in the fuel limit would be the next wise move.



What is incredible, is that the overwhelming majority of journos, punters, riders and teams seem to be in agreement that these are the big issues causng crippling expense and a lack of excitement from closer action on raceday.......yet the fuel rule remains in place and bs continues to not provide any type of development.



Does anyone know if Bridgestone is under any contractual arrangement to provide continual development? For right now it seems as though they've done very little since 2009......

World Superbike is going the same way as MotoGP. I mean, Checa is dominating SBK with ease.

muzzy57 said:

Never has more true words been spoken... VR simply made it "look" exciting in many cases, but the reality was that rarely did any of his competitors have a real chance of beating him... Must have shocked the crap out of Vale that time that Gibbers snuck past him on the last lap at Germany... Don't think that he was on



the Xmas card list after that

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don't remember too much of this in 2008-2009 when he was beating all the supposed newer....better challengers?



And beating an rc211v with a top class rider on it, on anything else but an rc211v, was always a mammoth task, if rossi was

doing this whilst being mindful of entertaining all to the last lap

on most occasions, then he's up there with Houdini.



IMO, in the early Yamaha days 2004-05, rossi was pushing very

hard. And not enough credit is given to the competition back

then riding bikes with more horsepower and far less Electronic rider aids

Talpa said:

don't remember too much of this in 2008-2009 when he was beating all the supposed newer....better challengers?



And beating an rc211v with a top class rider on it, on anything else but an rc211v, was always a mammoth task, if rossi was

doing this whilst being mindful of entertaining all to the last lap

on most occasions, then he's up there with Houdini.



IMO, in the early Yamaha days 2004-05, rossi was pushing very

hard. And not enough credit is given to the competition back

then riding bikes with more horsepower and far less Electronic rider aids

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I must admit that I was more referring to the 2002-2003 era in my post, which is what had been mentioned... But remember, the 2004 M1 that Rossi inherited wasn't actually that bad a bike & only took JB's magic and Vale's determination to turn it into a winner... And the 990's were into the 3rd year of refinement by that stage and exhibited few of the bone breaking tendencies of both the 500 era machines or even the current 800's



However, as you say Rossi was pushing VERY hard in the early Yamaha day's as evidenced by some of his more dubious & desperate moves made at the time...



In 2008 VR was totally on a mission to prove the naysayers wrong & win the title again... He achieved this in style but not withstanding that, Stoner still won 6 races and amassed the highest ever runner up points tally in the process... All on a now widely acknowledged pig of a machine?

33 Coupe said:

Honestly, you should change your name to de-evolution. You are the perfect example of the de-evolution of the human race. This was surely written with you in mnd.





http://www.experienceproject.com/stories/Think-De-evolution-Is-In-Full-Swing/38584

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