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Burgess Lost Faith In Rossi

Watch out for the factory Ducatis starting from second row in Qatar. At the moment the real problem for Ducati is that the front tire wears out too quickly, then it slides and causes understeering -- but that means they can actually bring heat into the front tire, otherwise it wouldn't wear out. So it's a big progress. Now it's a matter of patiently going through the process of refining the frame and related setup, to make tires last. It's no more an understeering caused by a front tire never reaching proper temperature and not giving confidence. The bike is new and needs work, but they are coming back into the game imho.



Tires can cold tear. Cold tear is usually worse than overheating.



The riders have said the GP12 has the best front end feedback of any Ducati they've ridden, but if you look back at Rossi's flexible headstock on the M1, it didn't put heat in the tires. In general, a flexible chassis won't work the tires, but it depends upon how it flexes along various axes. Way above my paygrade. However, we have to consider the possibility that the front end feel on the Ducati was so bad, that the riders (other than Stoner) couldn't actually push the bike enough to generate heat. A flexible chassis, though less adept at heating the tires, could allow the riders to push harder, which could build temperature regardless of what the engineering data predicts.



Without data, we probably can't make a conclusion one way or the other. Ducati are still struggling with grip balance. Much ado about nothing, though, isn't it? Been going on since 2009 when the control tire came into existence, maybe 2008.



Re: Rossi & Burgess. Burgess' criticism has been going for a while now. Started last season in the Australian TV interview when Burgess said that Rossi needed to ride the bike and stop worrying about re-engineering the machine (or some such). These remarks aren't a new theme.
 
Watch out for the factory Ducatis starting from second row in Qatar. At the moment the real problem for Ducati is that the front tire wears out too quickly, then it slides and causes understeering -- but that means they can actually bring heat into the front tire, otherwise it wouldn't wear out. So it's a big progress. Now it's a matter of patiently going through the process of refining the frame and related setup, to make tires last. It's no more an understeering caused by a front tire never reaching proper temperature and not giving confidence. The bike is new and needs work, but they are coming back into the game imho.



Wow, now there's a guy with blind hope! Good for you, I wish I felt that way about the Ducati's. I don't. They're going to be uncompetitive again in 2012. They may have flashes of promise, but that's about all. I think Dovi and Cal may routinely best the two factory Duc's.
 
Thank you Lex for your informative post (as usual). However Rossi said that the front works all right and gives decent feedback when the tire is new, but it wears out quickly and then it begins sliding, (and understeer comes back as a consequence of the front sliding). So if it is ok when new, it means it heats up properly; if it does heat up properly when new, then it doesn't cold tear...
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Tires can cold tear. Cold tear is usually worse than overheating.



The riders have said the GP12 has the best front end feedback of any Ducati they've ridden, but if you look back at Rossi's flexible headstock on the M1, it didn't put heat in the tires. In general, a flexible chassis won't work the tires, but it depends upon how it flexes along various axes. Way above my paygrade. However, we have to consider the possibility that the front end feel on the Ducati was so bad, that the riders (other than Stoner) couldn't actually push the bike enough to generate heat. A flexible chassis, though less adept at heating the tires, could allow the riders to push harder, which could build temperature regardless of what the engineering data predicts.



Without data, we probably can't make a conclusion one way or the other. Ducati are still struggling with grip balance. Much ado about nothing, though, isn't it? Been going on since 2009 when the control tire came into existence, maybe 2008.



Re: Rossi & Burgess. Burgess' criticism has been going for a while now. Started last season in the Australian TV interview when Burgess said that Rossi needed to ride the bike and stop worrying about re-engineering the machine (or some such). These remarks aren't a new theme.
 
I always hope the best for Ducati (and rejoiced yesterday watching their double win in SBK in my native Imola).
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But in this case it is not only hope. If they can put heat in the blessed tires, it means they can race.



Wow, now there's a guy with blind hope! Good for you, I wish I felt that way about the Ducati's. I don't. They're going to be uncompetitive again in 2012. They may have flashes of promise, but that's about all. I think Dovi and Cal may routinely best the two factory Duc's.
 
I always hope the best for Ducati (and rejoiced yesterday watching their double win in SBK in my native Imola).
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But in this case it is not only hope. If they can put heat in the blessed tires, it means they can race.



I hope you are right for Ducatis sake.
 
Regarding not trying hard enough. I just finished watching the Wsbk races. I have a big announcement. As of today, im no longer rooting for Nicky Hayden. My reason, 'he just doesnt try hard enough'. Im now officially rooting for...(i will announce tomorrow, i dont want to spoil any Wsbk results here).



Well, i was trying to nab a few of u on an April fools joke. But it seems me fooling around claiming i wouldnt root for Nicky was so unbelievable that peeps didnt fall for it. Oh well.



Go Nicky! For life!
 
After nearly a decade of suffering as the de facto #2 rider, Nicky has an opportunity to kick Rossi's ... this year. IMO, he has the ability. But as much as I'd love to see this happen, I just don't think he has the drive and focus to do it.
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Man....... I hate it when every freakin' thread just HAVE to mention "The Kentucky Squid" in it for no apparent reason. Dude sucks more than a $10 hooker.
 
There's got to be a tremendous amount of frustration at Ducati garage. I think the point is clear: Rossi needs to step it up few notches.



Hmm... Is he experiencing PTSD from breaking his leg?
 
Thank you Lex for your informative post (as usual). However Rossi said that the front works all right and gives decent feedback when the tire is new, but it wears out quickly and then it begins sliding, (and understeer comes back as a consequence of the front sliding). So if it is ok when new, it means it heats up properly; if it does heat up properly when new, then it doesn't cold tear...
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Possibly. Too many variables to say conclusively. Softer tires. Heavier minimum weight. More flexible chassis.



I can't really imagine that a more flexible chassis would overstress the front tire; however, they did try to move the weight bias towards the front. Maybe that has made the difference, along with the softer tire.
 
After nearly a decade of suffering as the de facto #2 rider, Nicky has an opportunity to kick Rossi's ... this year. IMO, he has the ability. But as much as I'd love to see this happen, I just don't think he has the drive and focus to do it.

"dont think he has drive or focus". Who are u and what have they done to Geonerd. Quite possibly ur worst assessment.
 

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