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Burgess Lost Faith In Rossi

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livewoutlimit

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This is an article off of gpone.com Burgess was discussing his opinion in regards to 1000cc bikes. The following came out of nowhere at the end of the article.



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Moving on to a more personal subject, the Australian seems to have lost little faith in his longtime partner, Valentino Rossi.​
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"Valentino hasn't dropped off the pipe that much but I guess your senses get dulled by constant little failures. My gut feeling is that we should be able to challenge for the podium this year against Dani Pedrosa and Andrea Dovizioso."

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So Burgess is suggesting that Vale has slightly "dropped off the pipe". His hopes are to challenge for the podium, not winning races. Is this some sort of sandbagging strategy? To me the testing result of 6th at Jerez is very positive. GP12 is a brand new machine after all and they are just under 1 second behind the 1st place.



Can anyone wait till next weekend?!​
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Meh ........ Burgess doesn't beat around the bush.



I'd have to agree with him on the dropping of 800's though.



1000 is the a dumb move. Its backards. Like if they had gone from 500's to 750's in the two stroke era. As anyone who ever rode an olde 750 knows ........ there was a "tractor factor" with them. And thats how I see 1000's ........ they are like going from a good engineering supplier to a hardware shop to buy your parts.



I also believe 1,000's is also a "fan based" decision as opposed to a "racers" decision ........ and it has a huge "wannabe" factor that will make it crap.

I've said it before I''m more FIM oriented, Dorna has been the worst thing that ever happened to MGP. Because it has developed a series based on fan numbers wants.



I don't agree with 600's but 750 is my idea of the best next step.
 
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Yeah that.



and I got to ride a Kwaka 750 triple that somebody had "dirtized" ........... for a joke as far as I could tell ......... he wasn't a racer of any sort but he turned up at a local track with it and was acting like it was the "bees knees".



I had to have a go ......... I got the joke ......... wheelspin much ....... too much ........... too too much ...... to the max .....



and then there was the handling attempts to get it round a corner ...... it was just so wrong ..........









but it was also so much fun ........ I'll give it that.



But there were also TZ750 that folk tried to dirtize ........ they were less of a joke.





But these things were only about half the HP of a modern GP bike.



I don't know why folk "go on" about them frankly.



Mind you in dirt bikes, I still haven't ridden anything as scary as an old works CR480 ........ and I still took one of those on a tight trail ride .......... actually that was a chore ....... moreso than scary. I can't even say it was a lot of fun, fun on a proper track though.
 
BarryMachine said:
But these things were only about half the HP of a modern GP bike.



I don't know why folk "go on" about them frankly.
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I think they go on 'cause 110-120hp hooked up to a lamp switch throttle, on a bicycle frame, with bias-ply balloon rubber, spaghetti fork tubes, short wheelbase, woeful rear shock, and ...... brakes with a penchant to dislodge SCARED THE CRAP OUTTA A LOT OF PROS.



"TZ750As were twin-shock machines with a swingarm made from sheet-metal pressings. When the AMA series got to Talladega, many big TZs were frighteningly unstable at speed. I saw more than one rider take to his lawn chair white-faced and shaking. Some actually decided that 750 roadracing was not for them and went back to 350cc Twins.

These 750s were not easy to ride because two-stroke power does not come in smoothly and progressively. Instead, as the rider turns the throttle, nothing much happens initially, followed by irregular popping that becomes eight-stroking, then four-stroking and finally continuous firing. Because the engine is big, these changes are substantial, and the rider must be ready for them. The irregular firing occurs in all carbureted two-strokes, big and small, because at small throttle, the cylinder is mostly filled with exhaust gas. With little mixture entering, it takes several revolutions to accumulate enough charge for the sparkplug to ignite it. This is no problem on a 125 or 250 because the torque steps are manageable. But if you try to throttle up from full lean on a 500 or 750, the engine will yank the rear tire loose and you will go sideways. If the tire re-grips gently enough that you don’t highside, the result is “only” a big gollywobble. If you are determined to press on, you will do so in an off-corner weave, punctuated by a series of near highsides.

Onlookers were horrified by this, but here came Yvon Duhamel, famed for his bronco-riding ability, in from practice. And he was saying, “I think it’s maybe a little better now,” but you have just seen him wobbling and sliding and can find no meaning in his words. He knew what he was talking about. Experience enabled him to ignore “normal” wobbling to concentrate on detecting actual threats to stability. Attempts to make the ride smooth just slowed the rider down. And there were plenty of slow riders on TZ750As, which sold for $3600 before that 1974 Daytona."

Kevin Cameron
 
Mick D said:
I think they go on 'cause 110-120hp hooked up to a lamp switch throttle,
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To be honest, it wasn't that bad at all. The increase of power in that zone wasn't much different to the almost full rev. range throttle response you get these days. I still remember the first ride on an R1 I had ( after being a two stroke only person ) it was ridiculous )



Just because you had:



burble burble nothing ....... bit more revs ...... burble burble noting plus a bit .......repeat for a while ........ then ......... oh theres the power ......... doesn't mean it was hard to ride ......... it just means you didn't ride it in the throttle area where it went burble burble nothing. You just rode it where it accelerated and then changed gears a lot.



I rode the 1098 a while ago when it first came out and found that even down as low as 1500rpm, in 6th, and cracking the throttle it would loft the front, and it did that up to above 4000 ...... its just more widespread and way lower down the rev range than any old two strokes I rode. ( Except the CR480 that was magic ........ it was like sticks of dynamite going off for every engine beat above idle . That thing was less smooth and more "light switchy" than any 500 4 two stroke.
 
You've misread it. The quote says he seems to have lost little faith, and Burgess goes on to say VR could push to be part of that second group of riders chasing the odd podium. Which would be a step up from last year.
 
Watch out for the factory Ducatis starting from second row in Qatar. At the moment the real problem for Ducati is that the front tire wears out too quickly, then it slides and causes understeering -- but that means they can actually bring heat into the front tire, otherwise it wouldn't wear out. So it's a big progress. Now it's a matter of patiently going through the process of refining the frame and related setup, to make tires last. It's no more an understeering caused by a front tire never reaching proper temperature and not giving confidence. The bike is new and needs work, but they are coming back into the game imho.
 
J4rn0 said:
Watch out for the factory Ducatis starting from second row in Qatar. At the moment the real problem for Ducati is that the front tire wears out too quickly, then it slides and causes understeering -- but that means they can actually bring heat into the front tire, otherwise it wouldn't wear out. So it's a big progress. Now it's a matter of patiently going through the process of refining the frame and related setup, to make tires last. It's no more an understeering caused by a front tire never reaching proper temperature and not giving confidence. The bike is new and needs work, but they are coming back into the game imho.
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+1
 
Pinky said:
hes not trying hard enough
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for once i totally agree with you...... thats why i get abit fed up when he says the front blah blah, i dont think hes pushed the bike hard enough to know the limits of the new chassis
 
jazkat said:
for once i totally agree with you...... thats why i get abit fed up when he says the front blah blah, i dont think hes pushed the bike hard enough to know the limits of the new chassis
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"It's impossible to gauge the potential of the Ducati because Stoner isn't trying hard enough" Valentino Rossi, Misano, 2010



The irony.
 
Arrabbiata1 said:
"It's impossible to gauge the potential of the Ducati because Stoner isn't trying hard enough" Valentino Rossi, Misano, 2010



The irony.
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Nice to read a post from u buddy. Btw, was in a great conversation last night with the boys regarding the post Laguna camping party. Good times.



Regarding not trying hard enough. I just finished watching the Wsbk races. I have a big announcement. As of today, im no longer rooting for Nicky Hayden. My reason, 'he just doesnt try hard enough'. Im now officially rooting for...(i will announce tomorrow, i dont want to spoil any Wsbk results here).
 
Jumkie said:
Nice to read a post from u buddy. Btw, was in a great conversation last night with the boys regarding the post Laguna camping party. Good times.
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Ha! - I was talking to Wills about that today...I can't believe looking back I made it to Fresno. Just been regaled with stories from Daytona..sounds as though you put us all to shame! - It just gets better.
 

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