Burgess gives insight-Indeed

From a credible source-Motogp.com!!

“I think Motorcycling will never be the same because Valentino Rossi showed that he could win on a Honda that other riders could win on, and he could then take the Yamaha machine that no other riders could consistently win on and win on it,” said Burgess.

“I couldn’t go into Yamaha and scream and yell and change the way they did things, it was necessary to work together with Valentino and the Yamaha Engineers to solve the problems they had. We had to take a step back and analyse why we at that time, or they at that time, had not been as competitive as their opposition. We had to diplomatically change the direction without making anybody look as if they had been making mistakes.”

Burgess continued, “Certainly, my objective from an engineering perspective is to make a bike that all riders can ride. It’s a very well tuned bike which has been developed by Valentino Rossi, and any rider coming in to ride this bike doesn’t have to worry about development. They have the ability and the information that we have put together over many years, combined with the settings we have from the last two especially – and particularly with the Bridgestone tyres – so it’s not as easy to develop the bike as it is to ride the bike. We have a rider in Valentino who develops the bike and we have on the other side of the garage one guy who just has to ride.”

I know part of this quote has been posted, but comments like this from a 12 time title winning chief engineer might give more insight than Motogp.com want.

It seems to me here that JB isn't too pleased with the triple tuning fork either or the other Fiat garage. It might even be JB pulling the Rossi strings BTS, maybe hes had enough as well......For those who haven't seen it, take a look at Motogp.com and the new promo for the Estoril race, quite a graphic for JL, - quite obvious where Dorna believes the future lies.

This certainly adds to the potential of no VR in Motogp for 2010, open for discussion.

WE now have 2 G O A T S. one on the track one in the garage.reading between the lines is JB & VR
Ready for a new venture.GOT FOR IT DUDES. there partnership just gets stronger now who wants to take them on i see a queue forming. cant wait for the off season

I thought that was called passing the torch...some guys can do it and be happy with their effort, some guys just have to have their name on everything and hold everyone down to languish in the afterglow afraid to be out of the limelight and well past their time. Racing karts like anyone gives a ..... Burgess is crashing because he is getting beat straight-up. If Lorenzo and team weren't completely fantastic he would not be destroying Rossi. Sour grapes indeed...very sour.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Oct 9 2009, 10:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>From a credible source-Motogp.com!!

I know part of this quote has been posted, but comments like this from a 12 time title winning chief engineer might give more insight than Motogp.com want.

It seems to me here that JB isn't too pleased with the triple tuning fork either or the other Fiat garage. It might even be JB pulling the Rossi strings BTS, maybe hes had enough as well......For those who haven't seen it, take a look at Motogp.com and the new promo for the Estoril race, quite a graphic for JL, - quite obvious where Dorna believes the future lies.

This certainly adds to the potential of no VR in Motogp for 2010, open for discussion.
Motogp.com credible? Aren't they an instrument of dorna ?.

Dorna could by no means be called astute, but driving rossi to wsbk would plumb new depths of stupidity even for them. I go more with your posts on other threads, that much of this is tabloid speculation based on no evidence. It even contradicts well attributed recent statements by rossi, where he seemed quite positive about spies coming to motogp and was talking in terms of years more riding. Overall I give no more credence to the pressure getting to rossi theory than I did to the pressure giving stoner postural hypotension theory or the bike that rides itself theory which preceded it.

Even more so though I think rossi is working lorenzo and the media for the crucial upcoming races, and using burgess to needle jorge would not be a bad tactic. One occasion where even I will accept they successfully played with stoner's head was laguna seca 08 before the race, when with the championship similarly poised they fueled talk that stoner was so much faster that there was hardly any point valentino turning up .

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Oct 9 2009, 05:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Motogp.com credible? Aren't they an instrument of dorna ?

Yea, they're hardly the pinnacle of objectivity.
Remember Puig's rant? http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2008/Puig+on...psol+Honda+role

He is implying Yamaha engineers are not good enough to build the winning bike without him and Rossi. That may be true, but is it necessary to remind it on public? Does he want to ensure them it is big mistake if they choose JL or Ben over him? But, they are stupid enough to invest all in Rossi, who might retire in two or three years? His flirting with Ferrari and WRC were not giving impression that he would stay for long time.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (moto3 @ Oct 10 2009, 04:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>He is implying Yamaha engineers are not good enough to build the winning bike without him and Rossi. That may be true, but is it necessary to remind it on public? Does he want to ensure them it is big mistake if they choose JL or Ben over him? But, they are stupid enough to invest all in Rossi, who might retire in two or three years? His flirting with Ferrari and WRC were not giving impression that he would stay for long time.

I think Lorenzo still can win if he is riding the Factory Honda..Yamaha is lacking top speed and I do reckon it's very stable. But it is Rossi not the Yamaha really..

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Oct 9 2009, 04:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This certainly adds to the potential of no VR in Motogp for 2010, open for discussion.
oh rubbish.... he ain't goin anywhere... he's not goin to f1 or rally or any other motorsport for a number of years. i do however think he will not be riding for yamaha in 2011.... ducati maybe but would love to see him go to suzuki & get that thing competitive.

I don't believe the quotes, I think there was something lost in translation, perhaps Burgess was interviewed by a Portuguese reporter, or something screwy like that.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Oct 13 2009, 02:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't believe the quotes, I think there was something lost in translation, perhaps Burgess was interviewed by a Portuguese reporter, or something screwy like that.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Oct 12 2009, 10:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>oh rubbish.... he ain't goin anywhere... he's not goin to f1 or rally or any other motorsport for a number of years.

I completely agree… Imagine having the chance to 'Toy' around with an F1! And then for that matter, with a Rally Ride! Might as well get on a Super Boat, a Jet Fighter… .... I want to go to Outer Space! That would be fun. If I could just borrow one of them Laguna Gokarts I would be happy!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Oct 13 2009, 01:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>oh rubbish.... he ain't goin anywhere... he's not goin to f1 or rally or any other motorsport for a number of years. i do however think he will not be riding for yamaha in 2011.... ducati maybe but would love to see him go to suzuki & get that thing competitive.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Oct 15 2009, 09:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I completely agree… Imagine having the chance to 'Toy' around with an F1! And then for that matter, with a Rally Ride! Might as well get on a Super Boat, a Jet Fighter… .... I want to go to Outer Space! That would be fun. If I could just borrow one of them Laguna Gokarts I would be happy!

I'm with you guys. Rossi will be around in MotoGP for a few years yet.
As for the F1 thing... It's been reported that Rossi likes Rally more. Plus I get the feeling that F1 has lost it's prestige over the last few seasons. (If Mark Webber in his 7th season can win his 1st F1 race & 2 races in one season then in my opinion there is something-a-miss. No I'm not trying to undermine MW) So I think Rossi will give this a wide birth.

Sorry Frosty, but I doubt Suzuki have the budget to accommodate Rossi & JB. Well, they might but that wouldn't include bikes, other team personnel, travel & accommodation!!
Speculation is that Ducati would like him. I don't know about this. Something tells me that Rossi might avoid this. (Rossi & JB just don't fit the Ducati mould, would Ducati want Rossi to bring JB?? I doubt it.)
You never know, he might just go back to Honda, a special one bike "super" team. Offically a non factory team, but with a quiet but massive factory support.

Cheers

If Rossi is going to another team, does any one really expect that Dorna or Rossi himself will miss a monumental opportunity to develop a subplot? This is theater!

The hero is betrayed by an employer who doesn't give him any credit. He defects and wins a righteous victory for the power of the individual. A fall at Valencia, rules changes, and a tax scandal cause dark times that hang a rain cloud over his legacy. He becomes an anti-hero by using his sway to force a company to supply him with tires. The facade of a lovable legend is shattered by visions of a man who is desperate for money and blinded by competitive lust. But after a pair of ill-gotten victories he is put out to pasture by an employer who thinks he's too old. He's about to delve deeper into the world of anti-heroics, but his step-father's suicide teaches him the important things in life. He switches teams under the altruistic guise that he is in fact going to help develop a bike for a new generation of riders who will beat the heartless bean counters who work at Honda and Yamaha. He chooses a racing company that engineers motorcycles with passion not corporate greed, and the purity of his motives allow him to collect his tenth world title before his retirement. Global warming reverses, whaling is halted, and all governments have balanced budgets.

That's a gd tear jerker.

Wow, somebody should make a movie about Rossi. Simoncelli can star in the leading role.

The suicide scene will warrant at least a half dozen awards at the European film festivals.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Corr @ Oct 19 2009, 05:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Plus I get the feeling that F1 has lost it's prestige over the last few seasons. (If Mark Webber in his 7th season can win his 1st F1 race & 2 races in one season then in my opinion there is something-a-miss. No I'm not trying to undermine MW)

This is the comment of someone who knows nothing about F1

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Oct 19 2009, 05:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This is the comment of someone who knows nothing about F1
Ok Tom I'll bite....
What??
Was I wrong that this is Mark's 7th season?? Well I was, it's his 8th. Sorry
Was I wrong saying that his win earlier this season was his first F1 victory? No.
So what's your beef??

My comments about F1 are about my feelings (thoughts) about F1. It's based on what I've seen and read. I was a mad F1 fan up until about 5 years ago. The sport lost me, it was boring to watch.
Occasionally I lift the visor on my helmet to take a quick look at F1 and it still looks boring.
This years only saving grace was Flav being kicked to the curb after telling one of his drivers to crash the car and being court out. It was like a good soap opera, someone should make a tele-movie about it!

Cheers

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Corr @ Oct 19 2009, 10:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ok Tom I'll bite....
What??
Was I wrong that this is Mark's 7th season?? Well I was, it's his 8th. Sorry
Was I wrong saying that his win earlier this season was his first F1 victory? No.
So what's your beef??

My comments about F1 are about my feelings (thoughts) about F1. It's based on what I've seen and read. I was a mad F1 fan up until about 5 years ago. The sport lost me, it was boring to watch.
Occasionally I lift the visor on my helmet to take a quick look at F1 and it still looks boring.
This years only saving grace was Flav being kicked to the curb after telling one of his drivers to crash the car and being court out. It was like a good soap opera, someone should make a tele-movie about it!

Cheers

Thats much more like it. Getting bored with a sport an losing interest is one thing, claiming its lost its prestiege because you don't understand why someone is winning who you don't feel should win is something completely different

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Oct 19 2009, 01:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Thats much more like it. Getting bored with a sport an losing interest is one thing, claiming its lost its prestiege because you don't understand why someone is winning who you don't feel should win is something completely different
I have to say I think the results have been idiosyncratic this year, and the attitudes and utterances of the senior management downright bizarre. I think hamilton and alonso are both considerably better than button, let alone webber.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Oct 19 2009, 01:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I have to say I think the results have been idiosyncratic this year, and the attitudes and utterances of the senior management downright bizarre. I think hamilton and alonso are both considerably better than button, let alone webber.

Being in the right seat is a huge part of being a successful F1 driver. Alonso burnt bridges at the top like Biaggi and Lewis was with a team who had been fighting for the previous title to the death. I don't think anybody would expect Mclaren to be that far behind, but anybody surprised to see RedBull and Brawn at the top didn't do their research

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Oct 19 2009, 01:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Being in the right seat is a huge part of being a successful F1 driver. Alonso burnt bridges at the top like Biaggi and Lewis was with a team who had been fighting for the previous title to the death. I don't think anybody would expect Mclaren to be that far behind, but anybody surprised to see RedBull and Brawn at the top didn't do their research
Perhaps people didn't factor into their research the initial, shall we say, flexibility with the rules this year. I agree that a team with the designer red bull have would be expected to be competitive, and likely to be more so next year with the rumoured mercedes engine. I imagine as you imply that mclaren and ferrari have been working hard on next year's car without having to concentrate overly on this year's though.

I still don't think they have really addressed the problem of overtaking with modern aerodynamics.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Oct 19 2009, 12:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If Rossi is going to another team, does any one really expect that Dorna or Rossi himself will miss a monumental opportunity to develop a subplot? This is theater!

The hero is betrayed by an employer who doesn't give him any credit. He defects and wins a righteous victory for the power of the individual. A fall at Valencia, rules changes, and a tax scandal cause dark times that hang a rain cloud over his legacy. He becomes an anti-hero by using his sway to force a company to supply him with tires. The facade of a lovable legend is shattered by visions of a man who is desperate for money and blinded by competitive lust. But after a pair of ill-gotten victories he is put out to pasture by an employer who thinks he's too old. He's about to delve deeper into the world of anti-heroics, but his step-father's suicide teaches him the important things in life. He switches teams under the altruistic guise that he is in fact going to help develop a bike for a new generation of riders who will beat the heartless bean counters who work at Honda and Yamaha. He chooses a racing company that engineers motorcycles with passion not corporate greed, and the purity of his motives allow him to collect his tenth world title before his retirement. Global warming reverses, whaling is halted, and all governments have balanced budgets.

That's a gd tear jerker.

Wow, somebody should make a movie about Rossi. Simoncelli can star in the leading role.

The suicide scene will warrant at least a half dozen awards at the European film festivals.
Nice one, Lex. Dorna should be paying you for ..... like this.