BMW say no to MotoGP

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ONLY VISORDOWN HAVE THIS STORY AFTER 8HRS ? ? ? Hmm





BMW say no to MotoGP. For now

Bavarian Motor Works to concentrate on achieving success in WSB with the S1000RR



Posted: 24 May 2011

by Visordown News

Hendrik von Kuenheim with the S1000RR

S1000RR engined Suter will be the closest BMW make it to the 2012 MotoGP grid BMW will not enter MotoGP until they have found success in the World Superbike championship with the S1000RR, says the General Director.



As MotoGP is going through changes to increase the engine capacity to 1,000cc, rumours grew of BMW's intention to join the prototype series after BMW Motorrad's General Director, Hendrik von Kuenheim was spotted meeting with Carmelo Ezpeleta at the first round in Qatar. However, von Kuenheim joked that it was simply lunch to catch-up.



With the rumours coming to fruition von Kueheim went on record to quash any rumours regarding BMW's entry into MotoGP in the near future, saying: "As things stand we see no reason to query our involvement in the Superbike World Championship. We have to win in Superbikes before thinking of anything else. MotoGP is not an issue right now.



"However, BMW Motorrad is closely monitoring all developments in the MotoGP World Championship. But one thing is very clear: there has been no decision taken." concluded Hendrik. The closest BMW will get to MotoGP next year will be when the Marc VDS commissioned Suter lines up on the grid with the S1000RR engine encased in their chassis.



So far BMW's success in the World Superbikes has been limited to four visits to third place on the podium, two for both Troy Corser and Leon Haslam, and a pole position from Corser at San Marino last season.



Following the Phillip Island race earlier this season, Leon Haslam exclusively told Visordown, his reasoning behind problems of the WSB-spec S1000RR is seeking to find a bike that is simpler, "especially when the road bike is such a good base to start from."



The FIM will announce the new teams invited to join MotoGP under the revamped rulings, 11 new teams comprising of 16 riders have been given the option to continue forward to lodge a security deposit with IRTA to ensure their inclusion. The list will be published after the Catalunya Grand Prix.





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Shame I was hoping to see them on the grid next year. Lets hope Aprilia apply for net year.

I doubt motogp will attract any new comers all the while we have the stupid fuel limit. I don't think the engine limit rule will help much either.

chopperman said:

I doubt motogp will attract any new comers all the while we have the stupid fuel limit. I don't think the engine limit rule will help much either.

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sadly thats true when it comes to factory teams , but maybe if the crt rules work good enough to allow the crt teams to keep up with the slower satellite teams i imagine the bmw engine would be the choice of most privateers.

lets see, i'm very much looking forward to see a tuned bmw with 24l against the 21l prototypes, who knows maybe they might stand a chance at a couple of tracks and allow for more wheel spinning and hence better spectacle

cliché guevara said:

sadly thats true when it comes to factory teams , but maybe if the crt rules work good enough to allow the crt teams to keep up with the slower satellite teams i imagine the bmw engine would be the choice of most privateers.

lets see, i'm very much looking forward to see a tuned bmw with 24l against the 21l prototypes, who knows maybe they might stand a chance at a couple of tracks and allow for more wheel spinning and hence better spectacle

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I will have to side with JB on the prospects of the CRT machines



Beattie asked Burgess for his opinion about the addition of the "claiming rule bikes" to the 2012 MotoGP world championship and if he thought they'll "be anywhere near competitive".



Burgess didn't even try to stifle his laughter, saying amidst more laughs, "No, not at all. It's sort of a hair brained scheme to try and put more bikes on the grid. I can't see anyone wanting to spend anywhere near that sort of money to finish sixteenth."

povol said:

I will have to side with JB on the prospects of the CRT machines



Beattie asked Burgess for his opinion about the addition of the "claiming rule bikes" to the 2012 MotoGP world championship and if he thought they'll "be anywhere near competitive".



Burgess didn't even try to stifle his laughter, saying amidst more laughs, "No, not at all. It's sort of a hair brained scheme to try and put more bikes on the grid. I can't see anyone wanting to spend anywhere near that sort of money to finish sixteenth."

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I would just like to point out that what Burgess would like to see is 600cc pure prototype MotoGP bikes. Make of that what you will. I make of it some of the most dire racing imaginable.

i've read that but after so many years of bad rule changes i have to stay optimistic on this one

a lot of people keep insisting that the 21l formula ruins the racing , who knows , an additional 3 liters might be enough of an advantage to clear other shortcomings in chassis,gearbox whatever.

Kropotkin said:

I would just like to point out that what Burgess would like to see is 600cc pure prototype MotoGP bikes. Make of that what you will. I make of it some of the most dire racing imaginable.

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The racing would fine, its just not what race fans want out of the premier motorcycle series in the world. I dont know when some are going to wake up and understand the race fans wants and needs. Mind boggling performance and technology is what we pay to see in prototype racing, not close racing. If its close, great, if its not, thats ok as well. Who here would drop 1000 bucks on a weekend to travel and watch bikes with less HP than whats sitting in my garage. Very few people go to WSBK and GP races to watch WSS and Moto2 . They are there to see the big boys roar, the support classes are just a bonus. If the big bore bikes were not there, you would watch on tv.

Viper-7 said:

Shame I was hoping to see them on the grid next year. Lets hope Aprilia apply for net year.

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It would be great to see more bikes on the grid, but if in the words of JB they're all out their competing for 13th and slower (some motogp riders will continue to crash or dnf) it's highly questionable if many teams will try. Aprilia is doing really well in WSBK - so I don't see them coming back to MotoGp as also-rans. BMW is (ImO) having a lot more issues than they anticipated - decision to stay in WSBK until they get it right is only sensible thing to do. KawaSuzi are not doing much of anything anywhere do I don't see them providing a whole lot of drive trains to privateers. The Yam motor is down on power and they'll be concentratiing on their new 1000er. Ditto Ducati. Honda already has Moto2 monopoly - So maybe we'll see some Aprilia and BMW CRT bikes put there.

povol said:

The racing would fine, its just not what race fans want out of the premier motorcycle series in the world. I dont know when some are going to wake up and understand the race fans wants and needs. Mind boggling performance and technology is what we pay to see in prototype racing, not close racing. If its close, great, if its not, thats ok as well. Who here would drop 1000 bucks on a weekend to travel and watch bikes with less HP than whats sitting in my garage. Very few people go to WSBK and GP races to watch WSS and Moto2 . They are there to see the big boys roar, the support classes are just a bonus. If the big bore bikes were not there, you would watch on tv.

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Mind-boggling performance and technology are both products created by the marketing departments of the series organizers and the manufacturers. You don't see technology, they just tell you it's there and you believe them. You don't feel horsepower, and it doesn't necessarily lead to a better spectacle, they simply enlarge the engines and crank up the db's to shout you to death. I understand their allure, and I certainly appreciate certain aspects of marketing concepts, but the marketing superlatives are not related to the closeness of the racing. Marketing concepts are not really related to anything.



When fans understand that we can build racing vehicles that we cannot actually pilot without a high probability of death, they will understand why technology must be moved forward in an orderly fashion by the series organizers. If they had turned the 500s into 21st century race machines, in the event of a highside, the rider would land in the stands. If MotoGP were a public competition, I would say have at it, but MotoGP is a privately owned business. Dorna would be stupid to let the contest get out of control, and they'd probably be liable for the carnage that resulted. Insurance actuaries would shut down the sport, and all of the riders would quit.



Furthermore, if Dorna eliminated the 21L fuel restriction, the bikes would be more powerful (in race trim) and more technologically advanced than any MotoGP bikes. The racing would be closer too. However, the sport would have a horsepower cap, and I suspect that would not be compatible with your desire for marketing intangibles.

mylexicon said:

Mind-boggling performance and technology are both products created by the marketing departments of the series organizers and the manufacturers. You don't see technology, they just tell you it's there and you believe them. You don't feel horsepower, and it doesn't necessarily lead to a better spectacle, they simply enlarge the engines and crank up the db's to shout you to death. I understand their allure, and I certainly appreciate certain aspects of marketing concepts, but the marketing superlatives are not related to the closeness of the racing. Marketing concepts are not really related to anything.



When fans understand that we can build racing vehicles that we cannot actually pilot without a high probability of death, they will understand why technology must be moved forward in an orderly fashion by the series organizers. If they had turned the 500s into 21st century race machines, in the event of a highside, the rider would land in the stands. If MotoGP were a public competition, I would say have at it, but MotoGP is a privately owned business. Dorna would be stupid to let the contest get out of control, and they'd probably be liable for the carnage that resulted. Insurance actuaries would shut down the sport, and all of the riders would quit.



Furthermore, if Dorna eliminated the 21L fuel restriction, the bikes would be more powerful (in race trim) and more technologically advanced than any MotoGP bikes. The racing would be closer too. However, the sport would have a horsepower cap, and I suspect that would not be compatible with your desire for marketing intangibles.

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Uh, when i see a motorcycle accelerate from 40mph to 200 mph in a matter of seconds at 19000 rpm's, im seeing, hearing and feeling technology and Hp. Maybe if you ever get to attend a race, you will know what im talking about

povol said:

Uh, when i see a motorcycle accelerate from 40mph to 200 mph in a matter of seconds at 19000 rpm's, im seeing, hearing and feeling technology and Hp. Maybe if you ever get to attend a race, you will know what im talking about

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I'd be happy to go to a race with you. We will watch a car/bike go past (something you've never seen before), and then you will tell me the engine displacement, cylinder count, horsepower, rpm, valves per cylinder, construction material for the block and all reciprocating internals, and the level of technology in the ECU. If you get it right I will believe you. Until you display those kinds of supernatural powers, I'm going to assume you are playing make believe like the rest of us.

povol said:

Uh, when i see a motorcycle accelerate from 40mph to 200 mph in a matter of seconds at 19000 rpm's, im seeing, hearing and feeling technology and Hp. Maybe if you ever get to attend a race, you will know what im talking about

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Hi Pov,



Give it up - you're trying to explain orgasmic ... to the self-appointed Pontiff of the forum. It doesn't matter what you say, know, prove - Lexi knows more and best

ptk50 said:

Hi Pov,



Give it up - you're trying to explain orgasmic ... to the self-appointed Pontiff of the forum. It doesn't matter what you say, know, prove - Lexi knows more and best

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The only thing we know, and the only thing you have proven is that you are an impotent beta-personality who skulks around the carcass until you see an opportunity to bite me in the .... You can eat when I'm done.

povol said:

Uh, when i see a motorcycle accelerate from 40mph to 200 mph in a matter of seconds at 19000 rpm's, im seeing, hearing and feeling technology and Hp. Maybe if you ever get to attend a race, you will know what im talking about

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mylexicon said:

I'd be happy to go to a race with you. We will watch a car/bike go past (something you've never seen before), and then you will tell me the engine displacement, cylinder count, horsepower, rpm, valves per cylinder, construction material for the block and all reciprocating internals, and the level of technology in the ECU. If you get it right I will believe you. Until you display those kinds of supernatural powers, I'm going to assume you are playing make believe like the rest of us.

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Lex, why would you assume Povol has not been to a race



From your comments I can't determine if you have been to a race but you surely do not show any understanding of the feeling of being there. Povol does.



Having attended races since the mid eighties (Transatlantics, Bike GPs, WSBK, BSB. F1, WRC, BTCC, etc ) I would say that whilst some people may have the ability to diagnose the engine internals from an exhaust note, most do not. This does not negate Povol's point in that the first time i saw the each of the formulae of the MotoGP (for want of a better phrase) bikes race (500 2T, 990 4T and finally 800s 4T) or to be more precise, heard them, the sound was amazing in each case. Having ridden road bikes of similar cc (both 2T and 4T) it is a completely different world and I can see what Povol is trying to portray with his comment about seeing, hearing and feeling technology and HP.

Pigeon said:

ONLY VISORDOWN HAVE THIS STORY AFTER 8HRS ? ? ? Hmm

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Kropotkin can correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure this isn't new. I was talking to Levi about this during Le Mans, so this story has been making the rounds for at least a week, if not longer.

yamaka46 said:

Lex, why would you assume Povol has not been to a race

From your comments I can't determine if you have been to a race but you surely do not show any understanding of the feeling of being there. Povol does.



Having attended races since the mid eighties (Transatlantics, Bike GPs, WSBK, BSB. F1, WRC, BTCC, etc ) I would say that whilst some people may have the ability to diagnose the engine internals from an exhaust note, most do not. This does not negate Povol's point in that the first time i saw the each of the formulae of the MotoGP (for want of a better phrase) bikes race (500 2T, 990 4T and finally 800s 4T) or to be more precise, heard them, the sound was amazing in each case. Having ridden road bikes of similar cc (both 2T and 4T) it is a completely different world and I can see what Povol is trying to portray with his comment about seeing, hearing and feeling technology and HP.

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A car/bike Povol has never seen before, not a race.



I've been to many races. It started at a very young age at the NASCAR race in Bristol every year during the last week of summer vacation. You haven't really been to a race until you're sitting in the nosebleeds on the "holler" side with the local pastor telling the story about the time he borrowed the offering plate collections to get a new glitter spray on his bass boat before the local tournament.



I understand the intangibles of watching cars/bikes go around the track, but the reality is that without marketers telling you what things are, you wouldn't have a clue whether the car/bike that just whizzed by was a 5L/4L or a 990/800. You can probably guess at the rev range, but you'd never know the horsepower or the sophistication of the engine.



The marketing intangibles and aesthetics have little to do with the closeness of the racing or the safety considerations made by the governing body.

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I want to see the worlds best riders on the worlds fastest motorcycles. MotoGP is obviously the pinnacle, it's a statement of fact, and none of us need any marketing to tell us these are the most powerful motorcycles and technologically advanced motorcycles currently being raced. The two things go hand in hand, it's the top class.

mylexicon said:

The only thing we know, and the only thing you have proven is that you are an impotent beta-personality who skulks around the carcass until you see an opportunity to bite me in the .... You can eat when I'm done.

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My, my all that's missing is the pontifical "we"

You are just so totally incapable of listening or learning. And are most certainly one of the last things I would sink my teeth into it.

It must be lonely for you to know everything and constantly get it wrong

I will take back the "Archie Bunker" label I gave you a few posts back - he had a humorous side - your illusions of omnipotence are just so predictable that they are becoming pathetic