Biaggi Could Return to Moto GP

Seems like a load of crap to me. Batta can't come up with the budget to pay for MotoGP team. Biaggi is still banned from Motogp by Honda as far as I know.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (teomolca @ Apr 1 2007, 12:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>. Biaggi is still banned from Motogp by Honda as far as I know.
how do you meen banned from motogp by honda ?

is it that honda wont have him back? (and quite rightly)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (stop_killing_dead_things @ Apr 1 2007, 02:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>is it that honda wont have him back? (and quite rightly)
i doubt yamaha would have him back either,but he is with suzuki now, i was just wondering if honda had that much inbfluance on dorna that they could get a rider banned.

any chance ypu can down size youe sig a tad as it widens my screen so i have to keep scrolling to read posts.

no probably not, he's pissed off virtually everyone. dont know about getting him banned though, is that not a bit too harsh??...

consider it done. give me a few minutes though.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (teomolca @ Apr 1 2007, 06:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Seems like a load of crap to me. Batta can't come up with the budget to pay for MotoGP team. Biaggi is still banned from Motogp by Honda as far as I know.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (stop_killing_dead_things @ Apr 1 2007, 08:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>is it that honda wont have him back? (and quite rightly)

no probably not, he's pissed off virtually everyone. dont know about getting him banned though, is that not a bit too harsh??...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Apr 1 2007, 08:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i doubt yamaha would have him back either,but he is with suzuki now, i was just wondering if honda had that much inbfluance on dorna that they could get a rider banned.

So who the hell Honda thinks they are… do they own Dorna or the Championship? Honda can ban someone out of their bikes, ok. But from the Championship? Come on! Even if he pissed off everyone, if he comes back with a new Team and a new Sponsor (Viva Corona´s Mexican Beer!) he should be able to compete again!



Also means 4 Suzukis… Hopefully!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (stop_killing_dead_things @ Apr 1 2007, 09:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>is it that honda wont have him back? (and quite rightly)

^^The problem Max had in getting a ride in Motogp stems from the public criticism he aimed at Honda. This was after complaining about Yamaha for years while stating that if he had the factory Honda that was Rossi's at the time he would win a championship. Rossi still won the championship and Biaggi finished in 5th position in the championship. After he was completely trounced by Rossi Max blew a gasket and launched some very unfair and public criticism at Honda. Honda did not re-new his contract because of two simple reasons, 1. he performed very poorly considering he had the best bike on earth at the time, with the best support. The second reason is Honda lost a tremendous amount of face when a paid member of their team opens his mouth and lashes out against them. Other teams followed suit because who would hire someone to ride their machine and be their pitchman if they are going to criticise you in public. Look at it from the employer's point of view. You hire someone and pay them well, and give them the best product in the industry. They return the favor by bashing your product, your crew, and your commitment to win. What would you do? I would fire them immediately. That is why Max did not have a chair when the music stops (musical chairs). I think that before opening his mouth Marco might want to perform a Goocle search on the demise of Biaggi's Motogp career. Unfortunately the damage may have been done already.

In contrast to what I have read in several posts, Marco is wrong to attack his employer in a public forum. No matter what happens you should keep disputes like this one out of the public eye. These men are paid handsomely to ride some of the most coveted machines in the world. So, Just shut up and ride! They are not paid for their honest opinion, they are to sell their company's product, nothing wore.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ogunski @ Apr 1 2007, 12:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>^^The problem Max had in getting a ride in Motogp stems from the public criticism he aimed at Honda. This was after complaining about Yamaha for years while stating that if he had the factory Honda that was Rossi's at the time he would win a championship. Rossi still won the championship and Biaggi finished in 5th position in the championship. After he was completely trounced by Rossi Max blew a gasket and launched some very unfair and public criticism at Honda. Honda did not re-new his contract because of two simple reasons, 1. he performed very poorly considering he had the best bike on earth at the time, with the best support. The second reason is Honda lost a tremendous amount of face when a paid member of their team opens his mouth and lashes out against them. Other teams followed suit because who would hire someone to ride their machine and be their pitchman if they are going to criticise you in public. Look at it from the employer's point of view. You hire someone and pay them well, and give them the best product in the industry. They return the favor by bashing your product, your crew, and your commitment to win. What would you do? I would fire them immediately. That is why Max did not have a chair when the music stops (musical chairs). I think that before opening his mouth Marco might want to perform a Goocle search on the demise of Biaggi's Motogp career. Unfortunately the damage may have been done already.

In contrast to what I have read in several posts, Marco is wrong to attack his employer in a public forum. No matter what happens you should keep disputes like this one out of the public eye. These men are paid handsomely to ride some of the most coveted machines in the world. So, Just shut up and ride! They are not paid for their honest opinion, they are to sell their company's product, nothing wore.

Not convinced of that… The ‘fans’, Us, is what really matters. We not only care if a Manufacturer can build a rocket, we like the sport, we make the sport. Even if it hurts Honda or whoever, the main spot for the Sponsor, whom by they way pay for all of it, are us, the fans, without fans no sales!

It does not matter if the employer is worth billions, sponsors know it is all about fans, when there are no fans to any sport sponsors leave and when there is a growing audience sponsor will come. So without fans & sponsor any manufacturer could develop a rocket and nobody would give a git about it!

So if a good rider has a great sponsor (that knows will get them sales even if he is not likable) and does get a team you’ll see him or her running races! In fact you´ll see a manufacturer looking to get a contract with him and take their conditions to it… has happened many times… they are in for the money & sales too!

Isn’t it great to know that we, fans, have all the power within our own hands! The buying power or simply not recommending a product! Plus watching the races!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Apr 1 2007, 04:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Not convinced of that… The ‘fans’, Us, is what really matters. We not only care if a Manufacturer can build a rocket, we like the sport, we make the sport. Even if it hurts Honda or whoever, the main spot for the Sponsor, whom by they way pay for all of it, are us, the fans, without fans no sales!

It does not matter if the employer is worth billions, sponsors know it is all about fans, when there are no fans to any sport sponsors leave and when there is a growing audience sponsor will come. So without fans & sponsor any manufacturer could develop a rocket and nobody would give a git about it!

So if a good rider has a great sponsor (that knows will get them sales even if he is not likable) and does get a team you’ll see him or her running races! In fact you´ll see a manufacturer looking to get a contract with him and take their conditions to it… has happened many times… they are in for the money & sales too!

Isn’t it great to know that we, fans, have all the power within our own hands! The buying power or simply not recommending a product! Plus watching the races!



^^^What happened to Biaggi is a direct contradiction to your theory. There are few riderd that a factory find indispensible. Max was not one of them, which is why He is racing WSBK and not racing Motogp. People all over the paddock did not like Max, by all accounts he is a very difficult person to like. How much did motogp, or Honda suffer after Biaggi, with his legions of fans, was given the boot? Answer, not in the slightest. Max was his own worst enemy. He actually believed, as you apparently do that his popularity with the fans and more importantly his strong relationship with Camel made him untouchable. Well he got a very much needed tail kicking when he found out how little pull he, his fans, and his sponsors millions, actually had. As I have said before Honda is the sacred bull, and no one shall blaspheme against the sacred bull lest he is willing to face exile!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ogunski @ Apr 1 2007, 03:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>^^^What happened to Biaggi is a direct contradiction to your theory. There are few riderd that a factory find indispensible. Max was not one of them, which is why He is racing WSBK and not racing Motogp. People all over the paddock did not like Max, by all accounts he is a very difficult person to like. How much did motogp, or Honda suffer after Biaggi, with his legions of fans, was given the boot? Answer, not in the slightest. Max was his own worst enemy. He actually believed, as you apparently do that his popularity with the fans and more importantly his strong relationship with Camel made him untouchable. Well he got a very much needed tail kicking when he found out how little pull he, his fans, and his sponsors millions, actually had. As I have said before Honda is the sacred bull, and no one shall blaspheme against the sacred bull lest he is willing to face exile!!

Your right in all these about Biaggi, I agree, in fact, I don’t like his personality much (has been through a hard life), there hasn’t been many great riders as dislikable as him but must admit his riding skills. Yet somehow, he now has got a WSBK team and a sponsor backing him up again, that are thinking or at least stating that they would be interested in putting their team at MotoGP. Biaggi a side, I would like Suzuki and Kawasaki to put in another two bikes on a second team in for the sake of the competitive Championship.

About the ‘sacred bull’, no matter likable riders, even in Spain I think Pedrosa is not as popular as Elias, Checa or was Gibernau (cannot confirm this completely), but he has skills and must sale well.

Anyway, I am still totally convinced that fans make the sport more than anything else does, and sponsors know that, so it is the point of sponsoring after all, get their products to the public interests. Therefore, Honda's ‘sacred bull’ influence scares nothing because if it is not them it will be someone else, and would be their loose.

Pedrosa is more popular than Elias in Spain... Elias is more popular than Pedrosa for us English-speaking peeps.

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By Michael Guy

World Superbikes

02 April 2007 10:01


World Superbikes faces losing it biggest star, biggest sponsor, and biggest team in 2008, after the man behind Max Biaggi and Suzuki’s revival said he will quit the series and take the Italian legend back to MotoGP if WSB bosses approve rules to allow 1200cc twins race next year.

Alstare Suzuki team boss Francis Batta, whose Corona Extra beer backers pour millions into WSB as team and overall series backers, has slammed long-mooted rule changes which would let Ducati run a big-bore version of its new 1098 next season.

The straight-talking Belgian – who has quit WSB before after threatening to do so, in 2004 over the Pirelli one-make tyre rule – told MCN at Donington: “We are already in April and no rules have been made for next season. Now the earliest anything can happen will be 2009. If the 1200 is allowed to race in 2008 we will leave the series. We could race in MotoGP.”

Batta scored the coup of the off-season in coaxing Biaggi out of the wilderness into WSB for 2007 after he left Repsol Honda’s MotoGP team in acrimony at the end of 2005.

Biaggi is now just five points off the series lead after this weekend’s Donington Park races, yet despite the very real chance of taking the title with Italian, Batta explained to MCN: “The problem is that the situation is not clear. There is no decision from FGSport who run the series and no decision from the FIM so for the Japanese manufacturers it is very difficult. For the Japanese people the minimum reaction time to change the technical regulations is one year.”

Though no official announcement has yet been made about a move to allow 1200s – which Batta is not in principle against – it is widely assumed that the change is all-but approved and merely needs rubber stamping by the FIM when Ducati formally ask to race the bike next year.

Batta continued: “In my opinion if they change the regulation for 2008 then the Japanese manufactures will say OK, bye bye - like they did in 2002. With no clear decision it is very difficult to discuss.

“The problem is not the capacity of the bike, the problem is that there should have been discussion between Ducati, the Japanese and all the teams. At the moment there is no communication – nothing. This weekend we have the big Superbike chief here from Japan and he knows nothing about this plan to change the rules.

“In Valencia there will be a discussion between all of the top teams. After this there will be a meeting between FGSport and the FIM and then I will be going to Japan to discuss the matter with Suzuki. The time scale is very short but nothing can change until 2009 and if it does before we will leave.”

Losing Alstare wouldn’t merely mean the loss of Biaggi, as Batta masterminds the distribution of millions of pounds worth of Corona beer cash, backing the series as title sponsors too. He has also helped run the series before, when rights owners the Flamminis first took over the series in 1990.


MORE ON THIS STORY IN WEDNESDAY'S MCN, INCLUDING REACTION FROM RIVAL TEAMS

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Alex @ Apr 2 2007, 01:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I've already made this thread, in General chat!

my bad, sorry didn't see it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ChemiKaze @ Apr 2 2007, 09:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Pedrosa is more popular than Elias in Spain... Elias is more popular than Pedrosa for us English-speaking peeps.

the spanish obviously have better taste then...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Apr 1 2007, 01:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So if a good rider has a great sponsor (that knows will get them sales even if he is not likable) and does get a team you’ll see him or her running races! Ideally speaking you are right. Realistically, a role model has to be liked to help sell products. Whether or not he wins, is secondary. I don't see anyone sporting Biaggi replica helmets.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (crvlvr @ Apr 2 2007, 06:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Iseally speaking you are tight. Realistically, a role model has to be liked to help sell products. Whether or not he wins, is secondary. I don't see anyone sporting Biaggi replica helmets.

Yeap, I understand… although a not likable rider that creates controversy gets the media rolling thus kind of propaganda too, at least for a while, nothing as a likable one I know.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ogunski @ Apr 1 2007, 12:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So, Just shut up and ride!
amen!!!

i think it would be a good thing if batta comes to gp's & brings max with him. as a matter of fact it sounds quite possible. carona suzuki in gp's... i like the sound of it.

Ok, this may very well be true, but didn't anyone notice the date of the original article?

Kinda reminds me of this one, except not as crazy-> http://www.cycleworld.com/article.asp?sect...&article_id=310