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Aspar to Drop Ducati Switch To CRT Status

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Aspar To Drop Ducati, Switch To CRT Status



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Submitted by David Emmett on Thu, 2011-10-13 12:15



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MotoGP's ever-shrinking grid is becoming a reality as the end of the season approaches and teams start unveiling their plans for next year. The latest victim of the lack of sponsorship in the paddock is the Mapfre Aspar Ducati team, who look set to pull the plug on their partnership with Ducati and switch to a CRT bike. According to MCN's Matt Birt, the team has failed to reach an agreement with Ducati Corse over the lease price of a Desmosedici GP12 and will therefore be turning to a CRT project as a way to remain in MotoGP and stay within the budget they have available.

The decision was a serious one, and had been coming for a while. According to GPOne.com, Aspar boss Jorge Martinez had even offered a number of compromises to Ducati, including using some of the parts used and discarded by Valentino Rossi during testing for the GP12 earlier this year. Aspar's final gambit was to lease just a single bike for one rider, instead of the pair of bikes that all riders use, MCN reported, but even that failed, leaving Aspar to turn to CRT for their future.

Aspar's strong relationship with Suter means that the BMW-powered Suter is the team's first option for remaining in MotoGP. But MCN is also reporting that talks have been ongoing with Aprilia about leasing RSV4 engines tuned for MotoGP. No chassis manufacturer has been named, but FTR were touting a project consisting of an Aprilia RSV4 engine in an FTR chassis at the Misano round of MotoGP. Even then, selling the project was hard, despite the costs being only around half a million euros a season, a far cry from the multiple millions for a satellite machine. Aspar's historic ties with Aprilia would help ease such a combination, though the combination of a Suter chassis in Moto2 and an FTR frame in MotoGP may cause some logistical problems, with the team having to compartmentalize the data from each of the projects.

The good news is that Aspar remains committed to competing in MotoGP. Making the switch to CRT status allows Aspar to remain in the series at a more affordable cost, and keeps them on the grid in MotoGP. Elsewhere, there are also signs that efforts are being made to keep the grid size up: in the press release announcing the Gresini team extending their sponsorship deal with Italian snack manufacturer San Carlo, Gresini spoke repeatedly of riders, plural, being supported, though the main focus is on Simoncelli. There is a serious chance that Gresini will field a CBR1000-powered CRT effort as a second bike for 2012, though no such bike exists yet.

Aspar's decision to split with Ducati leaves just three confirmed Ducatis on the grid for next year. The Pramac squad is likely to continue, though with just a single machine, but no decision has been taken yet by team owner Paolo Campinoti. Add the three Ducatis to four Yamahas (two factory bikes and two Monster Tech 3 satellite machines), four Hondas (two Repsol bikes, one San Carlo Gresini bike for Simoncelli, and an LCR Honda, with either Alvaro Bautista or Randy de Puniet aboard) and the NGM Forward machine of Colin Edwards, and we have a confirmed grid of just 12 machines. With so few entries, pressure will be stepped up on Marc Marquez to move up to MotoGP in 2012, to help expand the numbers. Former Kawasaki World Superbike team boss Paul Bird also looks like to field at least one CRT bike next year, with MCN reporting his entry has been received by IRTA and will be discussed this weekend. The series is now waiting upon developments from the other CRT entries, who submitted their teams back in June.
 
I really really want to see the aprillia engine go next year. Does anyone think we'll ever see KR back in GP with a team.
 
So we lose factory bikes and replace them with CRTs. I thought the CRT vision was to augment the factories? I'm sure once the factories are out of the way, and only CRT are available, we will see the grid size increase like it did with M2. I see two championships next year, the factories (kinda like now, between two factories) and CRT's "mundialito".
 
So we lose factory bikes and replace them with CRTs. I thought the CRT vision was to augment the factories? I'm sure once the factories are out of the way, and only CRT are available, we will see the grid size increase like it did with M2. I see two championships next year, the factories (kinda like now, between two factories) and CRT's "mundialito".

Dorna wants the factories out. The factories have completely ...... the series up, so the idea is to get rid of them altogether, if possible, or at least remove their influence so the teams and Dorna can make the rules, and the factories can play along if they want to.
 
So we lose factory bikes and replace them with CRTs. I thought the CRT vision was to augment the factories? I'm sure once the factories are out of the way, and only CRT are available, we will see the grid size increase like it did with M2. I see two championships next year, the factories (kinda like now, between two factories) and CRT's "mundialito".

For the first year.

Yeah in the future the factories will only be allowed 2 bikes and no more leasing ...... uncompetitive equipment. It will be like a constructors series around available factory engines. It reminds me of NASCAR but with less regulations.
 
Dorna wants the factories out. The factories have completely ...... the series up, so the idea is to get rid of them altogether, if possible, or at least remove their influence so the teams and Dorna can make the rules, and the factories can play along if they want to.

I wondered whether their purchase of wsbk was so that they had all the cards in any confrontation with the manufacturers. I understand their attitude, we seem to be heading towards a series comprising one factory honda against one factory yamaha, each of which costs 50 million dollars to build. I lack confidence that accountants will necessarily come up with a good formula themselves though, and wonder if they will be able to keep the show going during the presumed transition period.
 
I wondered whether their purchase of wsbk was so that they had all the cards in any confrontation with the manufacturers.

If I remember correctly, Kropo said the purchase had little to nothing to do with the racing serie(s) and more to do with the soccer properties.
 
If I remember correctly, Kropo said the purchase had little to nothing to do with the racing serie(s) and more to do with the soccer properties.

Exactly. Bridgepoint is huge, and both Dorna and Infront are mere specks in the grand scheme of things. That's not to say that having a single owner for both series won't make it easier to stop litigation between the two, but the purchase decision had nothing to do with it.
 
Exactly. Bridgepoint is huge, and both Dorna and Infront are mere specks in the grand scheme of things. That's not to say that having a single owner for both series won't make it easier to stop litigation between the two, but the purchase decision had nothing to do with it.

So did infront sell their whole operation to bridgepoint, including the football stuff rather than just wsbk; the austrian guy reputedly wanted to "pursue other interests" but did this mean getting entirely out of sport in general ?



As lex says dorna are only there because the previous owners who were proceeding with few apparent problems were not allowed by european regulators to have the rights to both F1 and motogp. Where do the flamminis stand, and are they still involved post-sale? They are definitely bike racing guys rather than just accountants/merchant bankers and if they can advise dorna I would see it as a positive.



The whole thing seems to be dying at the moment, likely related to extrinsic factors such as the economic environment as well as factors intrinsic to the sport, although I understand attendances are still good.
 
Dorna wants the factories out. The factories have completely ...... the series up, so the idea is to get rid of them altogether, if possible, or at least remove their influence so the teams and Dorna can make the rules, and the factories can play along if they want to.



I agree Krop. I think we see a bit of the F1 thought process where you don't really have many factories, you have constructors. I think they want the factories to lease engines to teams who will then build bikes around them. The numbers which Aspar would reportedly spend running one leased Ducati vs two CRT bikes was ridiculous. Apparently four to five times as much for the Duc !
 

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