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Another support series for DMG

povol

povol

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Even though i have been pulling for this class to make it into AMA racing, i never dreamed the once mighty Supersport series would be relegated to dirtbikes. How inspiring is it to watch 90-100 mph dirt bikes dressed up like little road racers and switch to WSS and see full on 170 mph race bikes.Its blasphemy to use the name Supersport to identify a one lung tractor race for kids. But hey,they are the PREMIER RACING SERIES IN NORTH AMERICA
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http://superbikeplanet.com/2009/Jul/090702edmondsonannou.htm
 
If they call it suprersport...wow. It's hard to believe that a man who has worked in motorcycle racing before could be so out of touch with bike fans.

The class may be a good idea, but please don't call it supersport.
 
It appears that Supersport will not be the 450 dirt bikes after all.It will be the new age limited series and Supersport will be opened up to older riders but still no cherry picking from the pro riders

http://roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=37224


MONTEREY, Calif. (July 5, 2009) - AMA Pro Racing announced today its interest in a 450cc singles class for future AMA Pro Road Racing seasons. The purpose of the class would be to provide a gateway for young regional riders to ascend to the national ranks of professional motorcycle racing.

Over the coming months, AMA Pro Racing officials will begin the process of testing the concept for performance, competition and safety characteristics as well as viability and interest in the marketplace. Preliminary plans call for the entry-level professional class to feature an arrive-and-ride format utilizing a single, yet-to-be-determined manufacturer and 450cc single-cylinder motorcycles prepared by a single tuner. Entries in the class would be restricted to riders between the ages of 16 and 21, supplanting the requirements for AMA Pro SuperSport presented by Shoei.

With the inclusion of the new class, the age restriction on AMA Pro SuperSport would be lifted, allowing the class to continue as an option for young riders while permitting older entry-level riders an opportunity to enter the ranks of AMA Pro Road Racing.

"Combining close competition with affordable equipment provides a win-win situation for fans and riders alike," said AMA Pro Racing President Roger Edmondson. "The parity in performance brought with a single manufacturer and tuner puts America's young talent at center stage and helps them to refine their riding skills for advancement through the ranks."

The new class would borrow from Gavin Trippe's inspiration of repurposing the large, readily-available pool of 450cc four-stroke dirtbikes present in America for entry-level road racing competition. AMA Pro Racing is exploring the advancement of that vision and the potential to work with grassroots and national amateur motorcycle racing organizations to create a pipeline for young American talent that would culminate with an entry point to professional racing in AMA Pro.
 
Glad to see this put in place. Great way to get the youth started in the sport. Basically it will be a Red Bull Rookies cup but with 4 stroke 450's rather then 125's. Plus converting Super Sport back to where it should be is the proper thing to do.
 
Its better than i thought but, Supersport in DMG is still going to be a beginner series, unlike the highly thought of SS series from WSS and the old SS from AMA.
 
I've been waiting for this series to come to fruition. Glad to see it will finally become a reality. Too bad I don't watch DMG racing.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Jul 6 2009, 11:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I've been waiting for this series to come to fruition. Glad to see it will finally become a reality. Too bad I don't watch DMG racing.

None of us can. The AMA desperately need to get some kind of on demand viewing format. Let Speed have all of the ad revenues if they agree to show up with their HD camera crews every weekend.

I'm really glad to hear the 450s are going to race! I've been a proponent of the Roland Sands SS bikes for a few years now, and it makes me happy to hear they will be racing in 2010. I'm not happy with the single manufacturer rule though. They already control the power output in DSB, why the hell don't they make a standard power curve and make all manufacturers develop an engine? It IS the AMA so cheating will probably run rampant
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but it brings ridiculous numbers of participants into the mix. Obviously the big 4 will be in, but Ducati could rebuild a supermono lump, BMW could bring a single and dirtbike companies like Husky and KTM could join as well.

The best part about this announcement is the return of the 600cc SS class. It will certainly remain detuned and somewhat .......ized, but the class will resume relatively normal service next year.

Best of all though, DMG will not run two 600cc classes with nearly identical states of tune. It appears as though DSB will have to return to FX levels of tune. With some luck, they will enforce one uniform weight rule so that bikes don't have drastically different cornering speeds.

Imo, this is a great victory for the AMA. The 450 class is in, the age limited class remains, SS returns, and FX is on the horizon.

I can't wait for 2010, I hope DMG and the big 4 have put their differences behind them.

The great engineering geniuses in the US have still lost out, but Spies looks like he will bring as many into the international limelight as possible.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Jul 6 2009, 11:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Best of all though, DMG will not run two 600cc classes with nearly identical states of tune. It appears as though DSB will have to return to FX levels of tune. With some luck, they will enforce one uniform weight rule so that bikes don't have drastically different cornering speeds.

Imo, this is a great victory for the AMA. The 450 class is in, the age limited class remains, SS returns, and FX is on the horizon.

When did you hear anything about DSB moving to a more FX-like orientation? (i.e. allowing more mods?)
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VTtwinner @ Jul 7 2009, 10:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I too was excited to hear of this proposed class. I saw Roland Sands 450cc road bike and was blown away. But after reading this article on roadracingworld.com by James Rispoli's dad......an SV650 class is much more practical.

http://roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=37238

If everything stays the same, Rispoli will be proven correct---running 450s will require tons of maintenance compared to an SV650.

However, I believe the new 450 class will drastically change the current paradigm. The class will feature a single engine supplier and the lowest reputable bidder will probably be awarded the class. Furthermore, a single preparation company will be used to assemble and construct the bikes. That role will also likely go to the lowest reputable builder.

The 450s will likely become far more plentiful than SV racebikes, and best off all, many aftermarket companies already make parts for 450s so tuning parts should be more plentiful as well.

Rispoli is right to point out the enormous cost benefit of using a detuned twin; however, I think his concern about the cost will be unfounded.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mr. Shupe @ Jul 7 2009, 12:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>When did you hear anything about DSB moving to a more FX-like orientation? (i.e. allowing more mods?)

I didn't read it, but DMG aren't going to allow 2 600cc classes with nearly identical states of tune. DSB 600s have almost no internal engine mods so it seems likely that DSB will change the state of tune; especially since the twins have such a huge advantage.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Jul 8 2009, 12:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I didn't read it, but DMG aren't going to allow 2 600cc classes with nearly identical states of tune. DSB 600s have almost no internal engine mods so it seems likely that DSB will change the state of tune; especially since the twins have such a huge advantage.

I certainly hope so lex. Maybe this could be an olive branch to the big 4? Allowing them to tune their bikes and show their stuff?

Also, since DSB is DMG's "pet class," they might want to establish a performance gap between DSB and Supersport, positioning DSB as the step up.

Given his history, a Roger Edmondson-run series opening up the rules for more modifications seems so...alien.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VTtwinner @ Jul 7 2009, 12:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I too was excited to hear of this proposed class. I saw Roland Sands 450cc road bike and was blown away. But after reading this article on roadracingworld.com by James Rispoli's dad......an SV650 class is much more practical.

http://roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=37238


Sounds like Moto-GT would be a good place for young riders. They could ride SVs or EX650s and, depending on how the rider pairings divvy up the stints, get lots of track time in a long race.

Costs in running the long races might be an issue, though.
 
I actually saw these 450s at Laguna. They look pretty cool. If the US rookies cup racing we saw last year is any indication of the quality of product and development of young rider we will see, then I'm all for it!

Here are a few 450s I saw this past weekend:
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BTW, I noticed nobody opened up a thread to discuss the AMA round at Laguna. It was shown same day too. Anybody interested in discussing?
 

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