Another Piece Falls Into Place - Marquez Stays With Honda for 2019/2020

RCV600RR said:

Yup. That was my point. He was immediately, freaklishly quick on anything he touched until the double-collarbone break.

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Not even remotely true.

His first win after that injury was at the fastest circuit on the calendar; Silverstone. You don't win at Silverstone without being freakishly quick, and he held off Marquez in a protracted battle at that race.

JPSLotus said:

Not even remotely true.

His first win after that injury was at the fastest circuit on the calendar; Silverstone. You don't win at Silverstone without being freakishly quick, and he held off Marquez in a protracted battle at that race.

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Sorry mate, I didn't mean what the post (in isolation) seemed to have suggested. It had to be read with my first post in the thread.

Everyone was saying how JL always needed lots of time to acclimatize to new bikes, tyres, conditions etc. but I mentioned that JL was always immediately and freakishly fast across a variety of bikes, tyres and categories, and that was only really affected in uncertain situations (i.e. that he started to more gradually approach the limits rather than leaping after them) after that Assen 13 crash.

Ramon Forcada said the same, BTW.

yamfan said:

Actually we were continuing a conversation about Rossi beating his opponents including Lorenzo in 2009. I gave the explanation from his book that AFTER the big crashes in 2008, Lorenzo feared the MotoGP bike and admitted he’d thought it easy at first until he overstepped the mark and got bitten hard several times.

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You added the 'fear' part later.

My post only responded to your initial assertion that "he's notorious for needing time to acclimatize to new equipment", which is much broader than the simple 'fear' argument you made later.

yamfan said:

it was also Lorenzo’s first year on Bridgestones and he’s notorious for needing time to acclimatise to new equipment

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If by 'acclimatize to new equipment' you meant to 'stop being scared of the bike after breaking numerous bones, I guess I see what you were trying to argue, but it's a tenuous link because someone's ability to acclimatize to new equipment is surely extraordinarily high when you take pole at your first three premier class races and win at your second attempt!

For the record, I didn't think JL claimed that he was scared going into the 2009 season. I recall that he said he regained his confidence by the end of the 2008 season. Do you have the passage from the book?

RCV600RR said:

You added the 'fear' part later.



My post only responded to your initial assertion that "he's notorious for needing time to acclimatize to new equipment", which is much broader than the simple 'fear' argument you made later.







If by 'acclimatize to new equipment' you meant to 'stop being scared of the bike after breaking numerous bones, I guess I see what you were trying to argue, but it's a tenuous link because someone's ability to acclimatize to new equipment is surely extraordinarily high when you take pole at your first three premier class races and win at your second attempt!



For the record, I didn't think JL claimed that he was scared going into the 2009 season. I recall that he said he regained his confidence by the end of the 2008 season. Do you have the passage from the book?

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I’m not trying to argue anything buddy, simply giving the facts as I’ve read them over the years.
You’re right initially as jl did well at first but the crashes scared him big time. Since then he’s wary of any new parts down to the n’th degree. Look at him now chopping and changing bits on the Ducati, he hasn’t got JF to tell him all is good, now ride the thing. JL needed Forcada to tell him everything is good before he trusted anything and even then he wasn’t 100% sure, hence the legendary “differences of opinions” we saw on tv at most races.
In 2009 Lorenzo was not completely over the fear of the bike, and the changing to Bridgestones weighed heavily on his mind, with high corner speed being his biggest strength he has to absolutely trust his tyres. It took him quite some time to do this, even though he had good results and outwardly things looked fine.
I do have the book somewhere but unfortunately not in digital format, hopefully someone can furnish you with a copy, beware though it’s a heavy read, the lad went through some really nasty personal stuff too that would reduce some to gibbering wrecks [emoji3]

yamfan said:

the lad went through some really nasty personal stuff too that would reduce some to gibbering wrecks [emoji3]

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Mostly caused by his own antics. IMO he always looks so bitter when he's racing and could have been made that way by his father being so controlling.

Theo said:

Mostly caused by his own antics. IMO he always looks so bitter when he's racing and could have been made that way by his father being so controlling.

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No buddy, his ex manager harassed him something evil, even sending armed thugs to follow him around and intimidate him. Lots of stuff went on away from racing that was out of order.
I’ve actually met him away from the track a few years ago and must say he’s a really nice polite guy. He’s nothing like the sullen and almost angry lad you see on tv.
I guess it’s true of most of them. The pressure they’re under must be immense.

yamfan said:

No buddy, his ex manager harassed him something evil, even sending armed thugs to follow him around and intimidate him. Lots of stuff went on away from racing that was out of order.
I’ve actually met him away from the track a few years ago and must say he’s a really nice polite guy. He’s nothing like the sullen and almost angry lad you see on tv.
I guess it’s true of most of them. The pressure they’re under must be immense.

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Thanks for that I never knew.