Joined Mar 2016
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Marquez and his records.
i gotta say. In my lifetime aside from doohan domination, the rossi phenomenon and stoners all to brief tenure as the fastest man on two wheels. Marquez. Marquez perfoms the impossible. Marquez rises to adversity, thrives on the challenge. He does .... that should not be possible. If he is the benchmark and not an anomaly iI'm super excited to what the next 40 years will bring me. If i get that far.
Marquez: the record breakerAs the rider from Cervera signs up for two more seasons at Honda, we take a look at his record - and records
TagsMotoGP,2018,Marc Marquez,Repsol Honda Team
When Marc Marquez signed to Repsol Honda in 2013 - to replace two-time Champion Casey Stoner, no less - few could have imagined what was around the corner. In five seasons of racing in the premier class since, the number 93 has only 'lost' the title once - in 2015 - giving him four premier class crowns to add to his Moto2™ and 125 World Championships.And the number 93 just keeps breaking records, soafter hisrenewal with Honda until 2020was announced, we decided to take a look at what Marquez has ticked off so far...
Marc Marquez - New MotoGP™ World Champion - 2013 season
In 2013 at the age of 20 years and 63 days old, Marquez became the youngest rider to win a premier class Grand Prix when he took victory at the Circuit of the Americas in the second race of the season, beating the previous record set by Freddie Spencer. That same year, Marquez then also became the youngest to win four races in a season - the Americas, German, Indianapolis and Czech GPs - beating Kenny Roberts' previous best. Come Valencia, it was then time for the big one as Marquez sealed the deal to become the youngest ever premier class Champion - and the secured himself the glory of best all-time rookie.
#MM93WorldChamp: Marquez's 4 titles in 5 seasons
If that wasn't enough, 2014 was another step up. Marquez beat Mick Doohan's record of 12 wins in a year, taking a staggering 13victories - 10 of which were in a row at the beginning of the season, giving a new meaning to the term 'on a roll'.
How Marquez claimed the 2016 MotoGP™ title
In 2016, it was time for another landmark as Marquez took back the crown and became the youngest three-time premier class World Champion. And in 2017, the rider from Cervera added another - wrapping up the year with that incredible save in the season finale at Valencia, and taking crown number six overall.
With two more years to count on at Honda, what other records can Marquez now break?
Marquez and his records.
i gotta say. In my lifetime aside from doohan domination, the rossi phenomenon and stoners all to brief tenure as the fastest man on two wheels. Marquez. Marquez perfoms the impossible. Marquez rises to adversity, thrives on the challenge. He does .... that should not be possible. If he is the benchmark and not an anomaly iI'm super excited to what the next 40 years will bring me. If i get that far.
Marquez: the record breakerAs the rider from Cervera signs up for two more seasons at Honda, we take a look at his record - and records
TagsMotoGP,2018,Marc Marquez,Repsol Honda Team
When Marc Marquez signed to Repsol Honda in 2013 - to replace two-time Champion Casey Stoner, no less - few could have imagined what was around the corner. In five seasons of racing in the premier class since, the number 93 has only 'lost' the title once - in 2015 - giving him four premier class crowns to add to his Moto2™ and 125 World Championships.And the number 93 just keeps breaking records, soafter hisrenewal with Honda until 2020was announced, we decided to take a look at what Marquez has ticked off so far...
Marc Marquez - New MotoGP™ World Champion - 2013 season
In 2013 at the age of 20 years and 63 days old, Marquez became the youngest rider to win a premier class Grand Prix when he took victory at the Circuit of the Americas in the second race of the season, beating the previous record set by Freddie Spencer. That same year, Marquez then also became the youngest to win four races in a season - the Americas, German, Indianapolis and Czech GPs - beating Kenny Roberts' previous best. Come Valencia, it was then time for the big one as Marquez sealed the deal to become the youngest ever premier class Champion - and the secured himself the glory of best all-time rookie.
#MM93WorldChamp: Marquez's 4 titles in 5 seasons
If that wasn't enough, 2014 was another step up. Marquez beat Mick Doohan's record of 12 wins in a year, taking a staggering 13victories - 10 of which were in a row at the beginning of the season, giving a new meaning to the term 'on a roll'.
How Marquez claimed the 2016 MotoGP™ title
In 2016, it was time for another landmark as Marquez took back the crown and became the youngest three-time premier class World Champion. And in 2017, the rider from Cervera added another - wrapping up the year with that incredible save in the season finale at Valencia, and taking crown number six overall.
With two more years to count on at Honda, what other records can Marquez now break?
Joined Mar 2015
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Chertsey, Surrey, UK
Including this year its 3 years, so he should be on the same number of championships as Rossi, but 3 or is it 4 years younger. Also he's had much better quality riders up against him than Rossi ever did.
I see this thrown around so much.
In 2009, Rossi beat Jorge Lorenzo, Andrea Dovizioso, Casey Stoner, Nicky Hayden and Dani Pedrosa for a world championship. Apart from two of those names, one retired and one who passed on, that's pretty much the same cream of the crop Marquez has beaten. Except when they are all several years older.
Make no mistake, I admire Marquez's raw talent and I have mentioned that several times here (Re-stating this for those with tunnel vision), but can we please lay off the hyperbole?
In 2009 the Yamaha was the best bike on the grid. Rossi had an experience advantage with the Bridgestone over everyone but Stoner. Also note that 2009 with the control tyre was his least dominant championship win.
Hayden was on a Ducati he couldn't come to grips with.
Stoner was sick.
Lorenzo was in his second year.
Dovi was not the rider he was last year.
Pedro is Pedro I wouldn't say he was better or worse than he would be in 2013-2015. Even now he still has his races where he is untouchable.
It's not always just who you beat but how you beat them and Rossi has been unable to duplicate the way Lorenzo, Stoner and Marquez have been able to dominate the field on a control tyre.
Marquez started both 2016&2017 on the 3rd best bike on the grid and was still able to be leading the championship by mid season.
Marquez was able to win 4 championships(and set a new race wins record) against that field, 2 of them while at a machinery disadvantage. Rossi has only been able to do it in similar conditions once.
Joined Apr 2015
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NJ
Pedrosa, Hayden, and Dovizioso were not serious threats for the title in 2009. BTW Dovi finished behind Colin Edwards. Don't apply 2017 to 2009 retroactively as it's moronic.
Stoner might have been had he stayed healthy, and probably could have mounted a serious challenge.
That leaves just Lorenzo who happened to be on the second M1 as the only real threat to Rossi.
Suddenly that 2009 title looks a little different once you start reading between the lines and remove the bopperism from it all.
Joined Jul 2007
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unda cheese
Another good news scoop by Macca. Good job buddy. We used to have Pigeon,our own twitter guy, pre twitter on here.
I don't always have time to browse all the media outlets so your updates are appreciated and helpfull. You are now our official anchorman. Keep up the good work and stay classy
I even get the scoop on news stories that self destruct after 10 minutes - You just can't coach that!
Joined Feb 2018
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Italy
2009 is a different story. I think Rossi won his 2009 title against a high-quality group of competitors.
What I personally reckon, and what gets Rossi fanboys furios (not calling you one of course, but I'm from Italy so I know a lot of em...) is that Rossi's rivals in the first part of his carreer were objectively weaker than the rivals Marquez faced at the same age.
Naming names is useless since we all know who was where and when.
Something worth mentioning about 2009 and also 2010, is what Stoner did. Yes, the 2007 title was epic and so on. But both in 2009 and 2010 Stoner won races (4 in 09 and 3 in 010) with a bike that was shaking and couldn't stay right even on the straight. THAT in my opinion requires more talent than winning 9 titles.
Just my 2 cents
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Joined Oct 2008
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In Cider
2009 is a different story. I think Rossi won his 2009 title against a high-quality group of competitors.
What I personally reckon, and what gets Rossi fanboys furios (not calling you one of course, but I'm from Italy so I know a lot of em...) is that Rossi's rivals in the first part of his carreer were objectively weaker than the rivals Marquez faced at the same age.
Naming names is useless since we all know who was where and when.
Something worth mentioning about 2009 and also 2010, is what Stoner did. Yes, the 2007 title was epic and so on. But both in 2009 and 2010 Stoner won races (4 in 09 and 3 in 010) with a bike that was shaking and couldn't stay right even on the straight. THAT in my opinion requires more talent than winning 9 titles.
Just my 2 cents
The reason people get so touchy on here about Rossi is that unfortunately there is a yellow herd of Valiban who believe Rossi turned water into wine and can do no wrong, while also claiming to be impartial. It IS possible to admire Rossi's achievements in GP while also admitting he is past his prime.
You'll find plenty of examples on the internet of people claiming Stoner only won his 2 titles on by far the dominant bike, the same with Marquez (even though that truly isn't the case) and that Lorenzo only won his titles through luck, while blissfully ignoring the times when Rossi had the exact same advantages and arguably more so.
Even in Stoner's hands, the 2007 Ducati was nowhere near as dominant bike as the 2002 RC211V that won all but 2 or three races that season and was so dominant that a satellite rider won his first race on it late in the year. Rossi took advantage of the package offered to him just like Stoner did with the GP7.
Joined Feb 2007
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Tennessee
How credible is the source, but according to this report, Marquez demanded Pedro stay as his teammate through 2020 and Honda was wanting to bring up Nakagami.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.da...ino-Rossi-Marc-Marquez-MotoGP-news-gossip/amp
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.da...ino-Rossi-Marc-Marquez-MotoGP-news-gossip/amp
Joined Oct 2008
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In Cider
I know that, and you know that. Hell Loris Capirossi, Marco Melandri and Casey Stoner know that. But what would they know compared to the Valeban? They still assert that a trained chimp could have won on that bike, yet ironically when Rossi stepped on a later iteration of it, suddenly it became a crap pot.
Indeed. It's not a sin to praise another rider. Personally my respect for Rossi waned after reading his biography, and what was left leaped out of the window after Sepang 2015.
Something worth mentioning about 2009 and also 2010, is what Stoner did. Yes, the 2007 title was epic and so on. But both in 2009 and 2010 Stoner won races (4 in 09 and 3 in 010) with a bike that was shaking and couldn't stay right even on the straight. THAT in my opinion requires more talent than winning 9 titles.
Just my 2 cents
Stoner reckons the 2009 Desmosedici was the best one (i.e. even better than the GP17 and GP18).
Joined Jun 2008
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USA
I think this self-same logic could be applied to folk that don't have Mr Rossi in their super favourite club. If they perhaps spent more time enjoying the achievements of the riders they do like and less time focusing on everything about Mr Rossi and his fans they dislike the world might just be a better place...
Alas, this big blue globe that we are all stuck on doesn't work like that and the world of internet forums and social media definitely doesn't ....... work like that
