AMA SBK - Round 6 - Mid Ohio

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Okay, I'll start the thread. Mid Ohio this weekend. Tommy leads Josh by 1 pt. Herrin leads Eslick by 18.



Things should be interesting this weekend. I think it looks good for Hayes this weekend. I expect Cardenas to make a move if he can keep the bike upright.
 
If a couple of my buddies had not just called wanting me to ride up with them, i would not have known they were racing this weekend. Go Tommy. Go Josh.
 
BTW, did everyone see that Duhamel is coming back with Moto Forza Ducati for the Laguna Seca Round? That makes 3 confirmed wild cards for Laguna (Duhamel, Ku Roberts, and E Bostrom) along with rumors about Jason DiSalvo. Any other rumors?
 
AMA Pro National Guard Superbike Championship

Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course

Lexington, Ohio

July 16, 2010

Provisional Free Practice One Results (all on Dunlop tires):



1. Tommy Hayden (Suz GSX-R1000), 1:26.155

2. Josh Hayes (Yam YZF-R1), 1:26.267

3. Larry Pegram (Duc 1098R), 1:26.512

4. Jake Holden (Suz GSX-R1000), 1:26.691

5. Ben Bostrom (Yam YZF-R1), 1:26.742

6. Brett McCormick (Suz GSX-R1000), 1:27.041

7. Jake Zemke (Suz GSX-R1000), 1:27.375

8. Chris Ulrich (Suz GSX-R1000), 1:27.781

9. Taylor Knapp (Suz GSX-R1000), 1:28.372

10. Jordan Szoke (Hon CBR1000RR), 1:28.706

11. Eric Bostrom (Suz GSX-R1000), 1:29.013

12. Geoff May (Buell 1125RR), 1:29.307

13. Kurtis Roberts (Yam YZF-R1), 1:29.996

14. Chris Clark (Yam YZF-R6), 1:30.712

15. Johnny Rock Page (Suz GSX-R1000), 1:31.513

16. Eric Pinson (BMW S1000RR), 1:33.962

17. Greg Fryer (Yam YZF-R1), 1:34.250

18. Eric Haugo (Suz GSX-R1000), 1:34.525
 
AMA Pro Daytona SportBike Presented by AMSOIL

Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course

Lexington, Ohio

July 16, 2010

Provisional Free Practice One Results (all on Dunlop tires):



1. Josh Herrin (Yam YZF-R6), 1:29.865

2. Danny Eslick (Suz GSX-R600), 1:30.305

3. Tommy Aquino (Yam YZF-R6), 1:30.705

4. Martin Cardenas (Suz GSX-R600), 1:30.714

5. P.J. Jacobsen (Suz GSX-R600), 1:30.846

6. Bobby Fong (Duc 848), 1:30.891

7. Steve Rapp (Duc 848), 1:31.451

8. Michael Beck (Duc 848), 1:31.491

9. Dane Westby (Yam YZF-R6), 1:31.572

10. Cory West (Suz GSX-R600), 1:31.650

11. ....... Seller (Yam YZF-R6), 1:31.910

12. Paul Allison (Yam YZF-R6), 1:31.989

13. Michael Barnes (Yam YZF-R6), 1:32.480

14. Chris Fillmore (Suz GSX-R600), 1:32.887

15. Fernando Amantini (Kaw ZX-6R), 1:33.150

16. Kyle Wyman (Yam YZF-R6), 1:33.249

17. Marcos Reichert (Yam YZF-R6), 1:33.250

18. Josh Day (Yam YZF-R6), 1:33.329

19. Domonic Jones (Yam YZF-R6), 1:33.537

20. David Anthony (Yam YZF-R6), 1:33.547
 
When are they playing that DSB race on speed? I heard it was worth catching.
 
Fucksticks cant even get the programming straight. Speed was showing DSB at midnight, i tuned in and got Superbike.. Good Superbike race,
 
Operator error on my DVR, now I'm going to have to wait a few days until things go underground to see the races.
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JD Beach is massacring the competition in SS.
 
Haven't seen any of the races, but here are my impressions based upon scoring.



1. Congrats to Hayden and Hayes who are having a nice close battle at the front for the championship. Both are fighting hard.



2. Congrats to Brett McCormick. His placings in the last 6 races: 21st, 13th, 9th, 8th, 7th, 5th



3. Johnny Rock Page in 12th
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4. There aren't enough bikes on the grid. SBK is already missing Young, Yates, and Hopkins. Imo, Waters, McCormick, and Holden all deserve a ride in SBK. Ku Roberts and E Bostrom also need full time rides for next year. Possibly DiSalvo as well. Cardenas wants to move up to SBK and Herrin says his Moto2 ambitions are starting to fade. Eslick is ambivalent about what he wants to ride. AMA SBK is looking at the possibility of needing to find sponsors and support for another 6-8 motorcycles. Imo, there only hope is if 1 or 2 of the manufacturers come back. Maybe Kawasaki will want to field 2-4 bikes for 2011 with their new SBK. Maybe BMW or Aprilia will play. Honda seems out of the question, but you never know.



Rules changes could help a lot, too b/c right now, it's damn near impossible for privateers without Graves or Yosh links to make any headway. I'm sure neither outfit is unwilling to supply technical assistance with the engines, but I think I remembered reading that each bike is like a $40,000 lease. You've got to figure that's a least $250,000 per season unless you never hit the deck. I think piston mods would be a better use of money. Companies like JE can get privateers to 13+ compression for around $1,000. The competitors actually own that tech. High compression with a power commander might get you to within 10-15hp of the "factory" bikes. With just a power commander, I suspect some of these privateer bikes are at least 20-25hp short. An additional 10hp for $1,000? Sounds good to me. Plus, a local garage can bolt the pistons in without much trouble. It's a lot easier than just grinding the cylinder head. Just make sure the pistons have a min weight and no titanium.



5. I've heard a lot of rumors that BSB is either moving to all Evo or they are going to continue detuning SBKs by using spec electronics and perhaps stock externals (like WSS, AMA). This news can only be good for the AMA. Even the Brits have decided that the extra $100,000 per bike does not provide $100,000 better entertainment.
 
mylexicon said:
Haven't seen any of the races, but here are my impressions based upon scoring.



1. Congrats to Hayden and Hayes who are having a nice close battle at the front for the championship. Both are fighting hard.



2. Congrats to Brett McCormick. His placings in the last 6 races: 21st, 13th, 9th, 8th, 7th, 5th



3. Johnny Rock Page in 12th
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Awesome



4. There aren't enough bikes on the grid. SBK is already missing Young, Yates, and Hopkins. Imo, Waters, McCormick, and Holden all deserve a ride in SBK. Ku Roberts and E Bostrom also need full time rides for next year. Possibly DiSalvo as well. Cardenas wants to move up to SBK and Herrin says his Moto2 ambitions are starting to fade. Eslick is ambivalent about what he wants to ride. AMA SBK is looking at the possibility of needing to find sponsors and support for another 6-8 motorcycles. Imo, there only hope is if 1 or 2 of the manufacturers come back. Maybe Kawasaki will want to field 2-4 bikes for 2011 with their new SBK. Maybe BMW or Aprilia will play. Honda seems out of the question, but you never know.



Rules changes could help a lot, too b/c right now, it's damn near impossible for privateers without Graves or Yosh links to make any headway. I'm sure neither outfit is unwilling to supply technical assistance with the engines, but I think I remembered reading that each bike is like a $40,000 lease. You've got to figure that's a least $250,000 per season unless you never hit the deck. I think piston mods would be a better use of money. Companies like JE can get privateers to 13+ compression for around $1,000. The competitors actually own that tech. High compression with a power commander might get you to within 10-15hp of the "factory" bikes. With just a power commander, I suspect some of these privateer bikes are at least 20-25hp short. An additional 10hp for $1,000? Sounds good to me. Plus, a local garage can bolt the pistons in without much trouble. It's a lot easier than just grinding the cylinder head. Just make sure the pistons have a min weight and no titanium.



5. I've heard a lot of rumors that BSB is either moving to all Evo or they are going to continue detuning SBKs by using spec electronics and perhaps stock externals (like WSS, AMA). This news can only be good for the AMA. Even the Brits have decided that the extra $100,000 per bike does not provide $100,000 better entertainment.
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The more things change, the more they stay the same. ITS THE RIDERS. All the rules changes in the world will not make any difference. It was the riders when Suzuki had the so called advantage and its the riders now. Let me get this straight, the new slow bike rules were supposed to help the privateers, now if they can go faster, it will help them.
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povol said:
The more things change, the more they stay the same. ITS THE RIDERS. All the rules changes in the world will not make any difference. It was the riders when Suzuki had the so called advantage and its the riders now. Let me get this straight, the new slow bike rules were supposed to help the privateers, now if they can go faster, it will help them.
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The bikes would not go any faster b/c overall compression would not be changed. For instance, stock GSXR 1000 is 12.8:1 compression, but b/c AMA use higher octane fuel than WSBK (98 vs. 96), the engine needs to be 14-14.25:1 in race trim. Currently the teams modify the cylinder heads and gaskets to raise compression, but it is expensive and most private teams can afford it. However, most privateers can probably scrape together $1,000-$1,500 for a high compression piston kit and installation. It will get them within 10hp of the "factory" bikes for much lower cost.



I knew Honda was able to run high compression pistons so I went to AMA Pro to see what the part number was. When I pulled up the eligible equipment list, I saw that they have homologated high compression pistons for the Suzuki as well. I guess AMA Pro is already one step ahead of me. Now they just need to add piston kits to DSB where they make a really big difference.
 
Josh, Josh, Josh. How in the .... do you throw away a half seasons work protecting second place on a part of the track that you had been strongest all weekend.. Rapp didnt stand a chance of beating him there. Cardenas, what can you say. He is the Forrest Gump of motorcycle riding. They tell him to go fast and he does, till he hits something. Like Gump, maybe they can have fans hold up placards when he needs to brake and turn, his mind is stuck on WOT. Maybe he should just become a Bonneville racer. Pin it, put your head down and go as fast as you can. Of course that silly ...... would probably run into the mountain a couple of miles from the finish line.
 
Great racing this weekend. DSB was fun to watch. B.Boz needed to go bonsai. Nice to see Eric back too, rusty as he is, but still beating a few dudes. Doug Polen, dude, you have nothing to prove, I hope he's just doing this for fun and exposure for his school.
 
Just got finished watching the race action for Mid-Ohio, DSB race was fun to with Fong really surprising everone with a well earned 2nd and 3rd for the weekdn....Hey Jumkie...Fong is from Stockton, ever seen this kid at track days?

Good battle between B-Boz and Hayes first race and good to see Hayden get a little more aggressive in the second race and take the win. On to Laguna and the Jumkie report!
 
mylexicon said:
The bikes would not go any faster b/c overall compression would not be changed. For instance, stock GSXR 1000 is 12.8:1 compression, but b/c AMA use higher octane fuel than WSBK (98 vs. 96), the engine needs to be 14-14.25:1 in race trim. Currently the teams modify the cylinder heads and gaskets to raise compression, but it is expensive and most private teams can afford it. However, most privateers can probably scrape together $1,000-$1,500 for a high compression piston kit and installation. It will get them within 10hp of the "factory" bikes for much lower cost.



I knew Honda was able to run high compression pistons so I went to AMA Pro to see what the part number was. When I pulled up the eligible equipment list, I saw that they have homologated high compression pistons for the Suzuki as well. I guess AMA Pro is already one step ahead of me. Now they just need to add piston kits to DSB where they make a really big difference.
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Are you talking about actually competing, or just putting more bikes on the grid. If your talking about competing, i dont care what rules package you have, the better riders will be at the pointy end. I dont know whats so hard to understand about that.. If they mandated bikes have to be showroom without lights and blinkers and you could enter a bike for 10 grand, the same guys would be at the front.
 

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