Alberto Puig

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Sep 1 2008, 10:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>most of us here love to hate the ....... .... but what i want to know is ,why does he have so much clout in hrc and what made him qualified to be pedrosa's mentor and coach.

the facts.
born 1967 same as me but i look younger ,,fact

raced from 1987-1997

career points 672

podiums 9

grand prix victorys 1

pole positions 0

Alberto Puig's success with honda pons in the early 1990's was cut short after an accident in the french grand prix qualifying session in 1995 forced him to retire from professional racing.
no longer able to ride his beloved honda's, puig has spent his time coaching and developing junior riders in set up's like movistar junior cup and the red bull motogp Academy.Recently he has masterminded the career rise of dani pedrosa.

info taken from motogp trump cards.

so why does this racer who never really achieved much in his 10 years have the job of teaching future racers and dani who has achieved far more than him in one season.
Ummm.... Sucks a mean ....?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Sep 1 2008, 11:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>most of us here love to hate the ....... .... but what i want to know is ,why does he have so much clout in hrc and what made him qualified to be pedrosa's mentor and coach.

the facts.
born 1967 same as me but i look younger ,,fact

raced from 1987-1997

career points 672

podiums 9

grand prix victorys 1

pole positions 0

Alberto Puig's success with honda pons in the early 1990's was cut short after an accident in the french grand prix qualifying session in 1995 forced him to retire from professional racing.
no longer able to ride his beloved honda's, puig has spent his time coaching and developing junior riders in set up's like movistar junior cup and the red bull motogp Academy.Recently he has masterminded the career rise of dani pedrosa.

info taken from motogp trump cards.

so why does this racer who never really achieved much in his 10 years have the job of teaching future racers and dani who has achieved far more than him in one season.

Totally agree Rog and have been wondering the same myself recently. If you look him up on wikipedia theres not a lot of achievement. His best being 5th in the championship in '94.

The guy is a complete 4588:.....jpg]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Sep 2 2008, 12:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>so why does this racer who never really achieved much in his 10 years have the job of teaching future racers and dani who has achieved far more than him in one season.

I thought that was quite common in all sports. Second rate sportsmen can turn out to be first rate coaches, or not.

Puig is living his career via Pedrosa and because he babies Dani, what Puig says HRC does just to keep Dani happy. The last thing Honda can afford is to lose Pedrosa. So they put up with Puig.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Sep 2 2008, 06:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>most of us here love to hate the ....... .... but what i want to know is ,why does he have so much clout in hrc and what made him qualified to be pedrosa's mentor and coach.

the facts.
born 1967 same as me but i look younger ,,fact

Probably because he's a better politician/asskisser than rider.

But yea, just because he didn't ride that great doesn't mean he's not a good mentor or team manager (not that I'm saying he is)
or to flip it, the greatest rider in the world doesn't automatically make them the best teacher/mentor/manager.

Because he blows Repsol Brass. It's obvious that HRC just supplies the rigs and Repsaol runs the show. It's Repsol who pays the bills you dumb mthfkrs and thats why you got midgets on a pocket bike and probably the root cause of HRC and Repsol fckn everything and pushing for 800cc pockets bikes. Get Repsol out of Motogp and their Spanish prima donnas.

I would like to see HRC and maybe a major sponsor like KOTEX.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Sep 1 2008, 10:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>so why does this racer who never really achieved much in his 10 years have the job of teaching future racers and dani who has achieved far more than him in one season.

Well, Puig is well connected. He is personally sponsored by repsol - that in of itself carries a lot of weight. Plus he has been in the right place at the right time. If you are in the biggest Motorcycle market (Spainish) in Europe, sponsored by arguably the biggest motorcycle sponsor across all classes,and he is willing to do the leg work to search for talent in every classes in every area, help startup and support junior class development. You start to have some pull.

Also, I believe he has had a hand in the development of quit a few large talents coming up through the ranks. Stoner, Elias, Pedrosa, Bradley Smith, along with finding riders he has also helped quite a few talented mechanics reach the top classes as well.

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He still is a ...... and controls his riders especially Pedrosa. I respect the guy but I don't like the man. This is how it is with quite a few people.

You have to give it to him. He has an eye for talent and he knows how to bring the best out of young kids that he finds.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kosy @ Sep 2 2008, 01:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Puig is living his career via Pedrosa and because he babies Dani, what Puig says HRC does just to keep Dani happy. The last thing Honda can afford is to lose Pedrosa. So they put up with Puig.

I thought that Honda had the philosophy that it was all about thier bike, and that anyone could ride it. Is'nt that why Rossi left in the first place? Or did they change thier minds when Rossi won on Yamaha? Can't see Honda putting up with anyone somehow, except perhaps Repsol!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kawzx7R @ Sep 2 2008, 10:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Probably because he's a better politician/asskisser than rider.

But yea, just because he didn't ride that great doesn't mean he's not a good mentor or team manager (not that I'm saying he is)
or to flip it, the greatest rider in the world doesn't automatically make them the best teacher/mentor/manager.

110 ++ Remember Allain Prost..A success racer but never been a success manager.

The worth of ones riding experience or career does not in mean that any management career will directly correlate in success terms. Many an extremely talented athlete has tried their hand at management only to fail miserably for any number of potential reasons.

In terms of Puig's apparent power, without knowing for certain I get the feeling that he is heavily involved in endorsement and marketing opportunites for his riders and by association their teams.

This means that simply put, he has money and to upset Puig could result in funds being withdrawn and taken elsewhere. To lose funds in a sport as expensive at motorsports could well mean the end to the team from where the money has gone and therefore a large number of careers.

Basically, much like as we often read with the entertainment industry, you do not upset your cash cows and do whatever necessary to make them comfortable and content.






Garry

He also was instrumental in Casey Stoner's success. Funnily enough!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RCV600RR @ Sep 2 2008, 02:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>He also was instrumental in Casey Stoner's success. Funnily enough!

Might be. But he was vehemently against Casey becoming a formidable opponent to Dani in MotoGP. Hence Casey ended up with LCR. One thing is for sure. Pig knows what casey did to dani in his 2nd 250cc title so there is every reason he wants to keep casey away.

But destiny decides otherwise.!!!!

Didn't puig start the movistar (not repsol) cup to find and nurture young talented riders?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Duc999 @ Sep 2 2008, 03:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well, Puig is well connected. He is personally sponsored by repsol - that in of itself carries a lot of weight. Plus he has been in the right place at the right time. If you are in the biggest Motorcycle market (Spainish) in Europe, sponsored by arguably the biggest motorcycle sponsor across all classes,and he is willing to do the leg work to search for talent in every classes in every area, help startup and support junior class development. You start to have some pull.

Also, I believe he has had a hand in the development of quit a few large talents coming up through the ranks. Stoner, Elias, Pedrosa, Bradley Smith, along with finding riders he has also helped quite a few talented mechanics reach the top classes as well.

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He still is a ...... and controls his riders especially Pedrosa. I respect the guy but I don't like the man. This is how it is with quite a few people.

You have to give it to him. He has an eye for talent and he knows how to bring the best out of young kids that he finds.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Sep 2 2008, 09:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Didn't puig start the movistar (not repsol) cup to find and nurture young talented riders?

I agree that he has the sponsers and thus the money and the power. However I disagree about the young talent aspect.

Case in point have any of you heard of Miguel Oliveira? He is a guest ridering the the Red Bulls Rookies Cup and won two out of 4 races. His two wins where in the wet and in the dry (Donnington and Assen) and he was elegable to race in the US when the US Rookies Cup and the European Rookies Cup met. The surprise is that he has not been invited back to race and that he is not allowed to compete in the states because of his guest rider status. Of course he is Portuguese and for Puig, nuturing this young talent would be unacceptable so instead he has done everything in his power to stop him in is tracks. Luckly there are other people with more vision.

So as far as him being important or good in the ´nuturing young talent´field he falls far short.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (citadina @ Sep 2 2008, 09:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I agree that he has the sponsers and thus the money and the power. However I disagree about the young talent aspect.

Case in point have any of you heard of Miguel Oliveira? He is a guest ridering the the Red Bulls Rookies Cup and won two out of 4 races. His two wins where in the wet and in the dry (Donnington and Assen) and he was elegable to race in the US when the US Rookies Cup and the European Rookies Cup met. The surprise is that he has not been invited back to race and that he is not allowed to compete in the states because of his guest rider status. Of course he is Portuguese and for Puig, nuturing this young talent would be unacceptable so instead he has done everything in his power to stop him in is tracks. Luckly there are other people with more vision.

So as far as him being important or good in the ´nuturing young talent´field he falls far short.

Ae you suggesting that Puig is actively trying to damage the career of a young rider because he is portugese?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bojuhl @ Sep 1 2008, 07:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Because he blows Repsol Brass. It's obvious that HRC just supplies the rigs and Repsaol runs the show. It's Repsol who pays the bills you dumb mthfkrs and thats why you got midgets on a pocket bike and probably the root cause of HRC and Repsol fckn everything and pushing for 800cc pockets bikes. Get Repsol out of Motogp and their Spanish prima donnas.

Yeah because Honda doesn't have any money.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>I would like to see HRC and maybe a major sponsor like KOTEX.

Vagisil and Astroglide would look good