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2014 MotoGP Rules Announced

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oops credit to this being posted in the other thread i didnt see it because i dont give a chit about motogp

http://www.powerslide.net/forum/index.php?/topic/15364-honda-no-spec-ecu-from-2014/



seems others are the same ^ not 2 pages of replys in 3 wk...............

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MSMA Members can develop there own software for the ECU (so its not spec)

with a penalty of 20 litres / 5 Engines for doing so



so lots of ££$$ spent on new software / engine life and getting round 20 litre use (where is the cost saving)



Tyre rules / pft



i'm out



Kropo

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FIM Road Racing World Championship Grand Prix

Decision of the Grand Prix Commission

The Grand Prix Commission, composed of Messrs. Carmelo Ezpeleta (Dorna, Chairman), Ignacio Verneda (FIM Executive Director, Sport), Herve Poncharal (IRTA) and Takanao Tsubouchi (MSMA) in the presence of Javier Alonso (Dorna) and Mike Trimby (IRTA, Secretary of the meeting), in a meeting held on 10 November 2012 in Valencia, decided on the following:

Sporting Regulations

Effective immediately:

Teams and their contracted or nominated riders become subject to all regulations with effect from the start of the “season”. The season is defined as starting on the day after the last race of the preceding season. The effect of this change is that all contracted teams and riders are subject to the same test restrictions.

In the case of an interrupted race then a penalty of starting from pit lane which had been imposed on a rider for the first part of the race will be replaced by a penalty of starting from the rear of the grid whenever the first part of the race has completed more than 50% of the original race distance.

The dispensation to allow MotoGP class “Rookie” riders to participate in one three day test during November/December is cancelled.

The penalty for speeding in pit lane has been increased from €70.00 to €150.00. However, subsequent penalties in the same event will also be €150.00 rather than the previous penalty of €370.00

Further detail sporting regulation changes were approved but publication of these will be postponed until after the next Grand Prix Commission meeting on 13 December.

Technical Regulations

Effective 01 January 2014:

MotoGP Class

The use of the ECU and datalogger provided by the Championship organisers is compulsory.

MSMA manufacturers, supplying machines for a maximum of four entries per manufacturer, will use their own electronics software but in this case are subject to a maximum fuel capacity of 20 litres.

All other machines must use the ECU, datalogger and software provided by the Championship organisers and these machines may have a maximum fuel capacity of 24 litres.

The maximum number of engines that may be used in a season is limited to:


  • []MSMA manufacturers machines (Maximum four per manufacturer) 5 engines

    []MSMA manufacturers in their first season of participation 9 engines

    []All other entries 12 engines

Engines are frozen for all races of the same season.

In addition to the changes effective 2014, bore and stroke dimensions are frozen for the three year period 2013 to 2015.

Important Note: The above regulation changes are subject to the satisfactory conclusion of ongoing negotiations between FIM, Dorna and the Manufacturers concerning the supply of additional machines and engines for use by other teams from 2014. Contracts for the supply of these machines, engines, parts and technical support must be concluded between Dorna and the Manufacturers prior to the first event of 2013. Only then will the technical regulation changes be finally adopted.

Moto2 Class

Effective Immediately:

The minimum weight for this class will now be 215 kg being the combined weight of the machine and rider, including the rider’s protective equipment, on bike, camera, etc. Ballast may be added to achieve the minimum weight.

Further detail technical regulation changes were approved but publication of these will be postponed until after the next Grand Prix Commission meeting on 13 December.
 
So in my understanding; Yamaha, Honda and Ducati have two options:

A) Dorna ECU and datalogger

Privately developed software

5 engines

20 litres.



Or
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Dorna ECU and datalogger

Dorna software

5 engines

24 litres.



The expensive route is A.

Dorna are trying to corrall them through a side gate.



What are the possibilities?



neither Yamaha nor Honda gamble with option B. Leaving all out tech warfare between superpowers



Only one Msma member goes option A. Blitz the field. Struggle to convince board to keep spending masses of money for one horse race.



Everyone goes the cheap route, jap factories start selling engines, and bikes. European manufacturers can get involved, playing catch-up, but at least will have a realistic chance for podiums and occasional wins.
 
If they go option A then it proves that they are in it for the R&D.



I can't help but think that all of this ........ over the past couple of seasons could have been averted if Dorna had of just forced Bridgestone to make tyres that create better racing.
 
If they go option A then it proves that they are in it for the R&D.



I can't help but think that all of this ........ over the past couple of seasons could have been averted if Dorna had of just forced Bridgestone to make tyres that create better racing.



Someone closely involved in the negotiations has told me their next target is the tires. Time to step up the pressure on Bridgestone to stop making such ridiculous tires.
 
Someone closely involved in the negotiations has told me their next target is the tires. Time to step up the pressure on Bridgestone to stop making such ridiculous tires.



Well, the tires have been a priority since Dorna hired Yasukawa, no?
 
Someone closely involved in the negotiations has told me their next target is the tires. Time to step up the pressure on Bridgestone to stop making such ridiculous tires.



.... I'd love to work at a key supplier to the pinnacle of motorcycle racing and be told to make my product ........
 
Someone closely involved in the negotiations has told me their next target is the tires. Time to step up the pressure on Bridgestone to stop making such ridiculous tires.
Did they tell you that negotiations would be taking place in Jerez by any chance?
 
.... I'd love to work at a key supplier to the pinnacle of motorcycle racing and be told to make my product ........



Dorna don't need Yasukawa to make Bridgestone's tires worse. Dunlop is in Dorna's back pocket, and they make sufficiently bad MotoGP tires.



A person of Yasukawa's caliber is necessary b/c of his experience with F1 tire technology and F1 tire regulations. Dorna can only be seeking his council to draft new tire regulations to replace the failed rules of 2008. They hired Cecchinelli for the same reason--rules reform.
 
Dorna don't need Yasukawa to make Bridgestone's tires worse. Dunlop is in Dorna's back pocket, and they make sufficiently bad MotoGP tires.



A person of Yasukawa's caliber is necessary b/c of his experience with F1 tire technology and F1 tire regulations. Dorna can only be seeking his council to draft new tire regulations to replace the failed rules of 2008. They hired Cecchelli for the same reason--rules reform.



I never mentioned Hiroshi. That wasn't my point.



But anyway, you got to make yours. And that's the important thing.







[Who is Cecchelli?]
 
.... I'd love to work at a key supplier to the pinnacle of motorcycle racing and be told to make my product ........
Would you consider a tyre which could produce much quicker laps than the current tyre early in the race then degrade, in a consistent fashion, later in the race shittier?
 
Would you consider a tyre which could produce much quicker laps than the current tyre early in the race then degrade, in a consistent fashion, later in the race shittier?



Umm. Yes.

In what ways can 'degrade' be interpreted except to infer enhanced shittiness (a technical term coined by JBDunlop).
 
All tyres degrade during use. Please explain what level of degradation is acceptable.
 
All tyres degrade during use. Please explain what level of degradation is acceptable.



I took that comment as turning the BSs into SBK Pirellis. I am no tyre engineer, I can't provide you Mu v wear v temp v slip angle v roll angle v roll rate blah blah.



But what I also interpreted it as was: manipulating the tyres such that they degrade at a rate that they otherwise do not need to.



Which was the crux of my original comment. That might be fine for the 'spectacle' but would .... me if I was "a key supplier to the pinnacle of motorcycle racing".
 
How did "a key supplier to the pinnacle of motorcycle racing" like rebaking their formula for 2012? Do you think the 2012s are "better" than the 2011s?
 
Mick,

Re-reading the thread, I think we're coming at it from different angles.



It wasn't a intended as a call on the Bridgestones in any particular year. More a comment on the difference between striving for a better product versus having inferior performance foisted upon you. Regardless of what that product is.



It was also aimed at Krop's comment on the tyres being 'ridiculous' and needing working on. In other posts he's commented on the tyres being too good, hence it was reasonable to infer that the 'pressure' on Bridgestone that he mentions was to make them shittier.



If I'm barking up the wrong tree, just call me a tosser and we can have at it over the tyres.
 
I'm with ya and being a wee bit of a ....! But I am curious as to what the sport really needs: 1. A tyre which delivers ultimate performance for 25-30 laps (.... should Bstone be all about r&d like the msma and make a tyre that lasts for the entire weekend...) or; 2. A tyre which works incridibly well over half a race Which allows different riding styles different strategies over the course of a race? I dunno, but I kinda like option two!
 
Well you see, it is sort of a dilemma for BS. I personally love my BS tyres very much on my private bike for lasting quite long and not sliding around. Just as I hate them for supplying tyres to MotoGP that last too long and don't really slide. To make things a bit more complicated, the fact that they make ......, lasting, non-sliding tyres for GP gives them some sort of credibility that they might be able to incorporate these attributes into a street tyre.
 
i'm not sure that simply introducing a tyre that goes off is what i'm hoping for. i don't like the whole "preserve the tyres to win the race" idea.i want to see the guys go at it the whole race, not the guy/tc/engine that is most gently with the tyres. i don't want endurance racing, i want my intense 45minute sprints to the line



what is needed IMO , is a durable tyre that does not have such a narrow window in which it generates great grip.

in fact , a tyre is needed that is generally much less grippy, that is it slows the bikes down in the corners (where the danger lies, straight line speed is not really the dangerous issue in motorcycle racing)

if we get tyres that are ready to use the moment the tyre warmer comes off and punish excessive corner speeds by simply not offering a lot of grip and the ridicolous level of tc is drastically reduced (or as i would suggest, banned) we would not need much other regulations that slow the bikes down because getting the bike stopped and shooting it out of the corners would be the way to go fast.slow corner speeds to make it safer, more visible action to keep the crowds entertained and let the riders talents shine through more clearly.

i'm certainly no expert, but i'd think it would be entirely possible to develop tyres that offer more grip than your average road tyre and durable enough to run at least 1 race at full performance,if not more.needless to say, if tyre performance is drastically reduced it should be much more easy for not so well funded bikes/new riders to perform at a decent enough level without extra fuel etc.



to hell with high performance tyres and tc. i want to appreciate the talent gp racing again when sitting on my couch,not just at the track
 

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