<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TP70 @ Jan 25 2010, 11:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Fish, jeez mate someone needs to put some food in your tank, your getting flappy!
If you can not see that Rossi uses other categories of racing as a negotiation tactic then I can not help you. But...
I said he has LESS leverage than he ever has in MotoGP. You are correct that I don't consider 125 or 250 MotoGP. I almost never used to watch these races as I was only ever interested in the 500's and then the 990's. But since Stoner began his career I have watch because on pay TV here you see them live now. They never used to be before.
Anyway... so you can understand - all of those other years you refer to, in my opinion Rossi had no challengers. He was soooo much better than every other rider that he had massive leverage. Now that he has challengers (now I know you and the other disciples don't think he has challengers because he is 9xWC and all the other stats that you can pull out dating back to the time that he suggested that the wheel should be round) and he is closing in on the end of his God like career the manufacturers can think "well I have Stoner who has BEATEN Rossi to a WC and has won the same number of races in this era and can ride our bike like a m'......, I don't need to drop 30mill to get the only person who can win because I already have someone who has won and continues to win"
Let's not stop there TP. Rossi has his secret tool remember, the F1 practice so the thinking continue and following your logic strictly it MUST go something like this; " WAIT! Rossi had some F1 practice where he did a decent run, no I better dump this other guy and grab Rossi while I can. If not he will disapear to F1" You see now how outrageous this is? Some leverage, eh...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>In short Fish there are other riders who have a pretty decent chance at winning the WC. This MUST reduce VR's negotiation ability. Not kill it but reduce it. I have been in sales for more than 20 years so I know a thing or two about negotiating a deal and leverage is up there in the tool stakes.
Again you seem to limit negotiation leverage to results and odds and reamining career.
If that was the case his leverage must have been less in '06 and '07, his loosing seasons, but non the less he pulled off a much debated demand, the switch to Bridgestone. Frequently argued that Rossi had way too much leverage. Now, after two consecutive winning seasons and open statements that he is not going to quit anytime soon (as was widely speculated in '06 and '07)
you claim he has less leverage and the need to gain leverage by F1 practices? You know TP the more I circle around that argument the more hillarious it gets.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>I have no knowledge of contracts between Rossi and the players (Yamaha, Fiat, Dorna) but I would be very suprised if Dorna weren't chipping in for Rossi's salary. After all he has bought millions of annoying boppers to the support who would all go where ever he goes because they are a fan of 46 not MotoGP. Dorna does not want to lose these boppers so VR toying with other categories keeps Dizzy on his toes and his cheque book open.
Another totally undocumentet and WILD speculation. I'll try this again without naming nations; Some people here are way too occupied with the money and put way too much weight on those. I don't know if you are poor or if the capitalism has totally taken away your social sensors but you might learn some day that some billionares might not find a million dollar as irisistable tempting as you do. That is especially true for those that became rich as a result of other talents and passions, rather than the pure desire to become a billionare.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>As far as throttle control being the easiest rider control to see, well personally I find it easier to see them shift their body around on the bike but then I only have human vision not 'Amphibious Vision'.
Gearing down is a little different to feeding it on especially in 2001 when they actually used the throttle when changing down unlike now days.
I didn't count in body position as I should have, sorry about that. Anyway, check my signature and see what stoner says. Belive me, a "whack it open" is just as easy or even easier to spot than a down shift throtteling.
If you can not see that Rossi uses other categories of racing as a negotiation tactic then I can not help you. But...
I said he has LESS leverage than he ever has in MotoGP. You are correct that I don't consider 125 or 250 MotoGP. I almost never used to watch these races as I was only ever interested in the 500's and then the 990's. But since Stoner began his career I have watch because on pay TV here you see them live now. They never used to be before.
Anyway... so you can understand - all of those other years you refer to, in my opinion Rossi had no challengers. He was soooo much better than every other rider that he had massive leverage. Now that he has challengers (now I know you and the other disciples don't think he has challengers because he is 9xWC and all the other stats that you can pull out dating back to the time that he suggested that the wheel should be round) and he is closing in on the end of his God like career the manufacturers can think "well I have Stoner who has BEATEN Rossi to a WC and has won the same number of races in this era and can ride our bike like a m'......, I don't need to drop 30mill to get the only person who can win because I already have someone who has won and continues to win"
Let's not stop there TP. Rossi has his secret tool remember, the F1 practice so the thinking continue and following your logic strictly it MUST go something like this; " WAIT! Rossi had some F1 practice where he did a decent run, no I better dump this other guy and grab Rossi while I can. If not he will disapear to F1" You see now how outrageous this is? Some leverage, eh...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>In short Fish there are other riders who have a pretty decent chance at winning the WC. This MUST reduce VR's negotiation ability. Not kill it but reduce it. I have been in sales for more than 20 years so I know a thing or two about negotiating a deal and leverage is up there in the tool stakes.
Again you seem to limit negotiation leverage to results and odds and reamining career.
If that was the case his leverage must have been less in '06 and '07, his loosing seasons, but non the less he pulled off a much debated demand, the switch to Bridgestone. Frequently argued that Rossi had way too much leverage. Now, after two consecutive winning seasons and open statements that he is not going to quit anytime soon (as was widely speculated in '06 and '07)
you claim he has less leverage and the need to gain leverage by F1 practices? You know TP the more I circle around that argument the more hillarious it gets.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>I have no knowledge of contracts between Rossi and the players (Yamaha, Fiat, Dorna) but I would be very suprised if Dorna weren't chipping in for Rossi's salary. After all he has bought millions of annoying boppers to the support who would all go where ever he goes because they are a fan of 46 not MotoGP. Dorna does not want to lose these boppers so VR toying with other categories keeps Dizzy on his toes and his cheque book open.
Another totally undocumentet and WILD speculation. I'll try this again without naming nations; Some people here are way too occupied with the money and put way too much weight on those. I don't know if you are poor or if the capitalism has totally taken away your social sensors but you might learn some day that some billionares might not find a million dollar as irisistable tempting as you do. That is especially true for those that became rich as a result of other talents and passions, rather than the pure desire to become a billionare.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>As far as throttle control being the easiest rider control to see, well personally I find it easier to see them shift their body around on the bike but then I only have human vision not 'Amphibious Vision'.
Gearing down is a little different to feeding it on especially in 2001 when they actually used the throttle when changing down unlike now days.
I didn't count in body position as I should have, sorry about that. Anyway, check my signature and see what stoner says. Belive me, a "whack it open" is just as easy or even easier to spot than a down shift throtteling.
