2011 Brivio = "The greatest danger is Ferrari switch

The boss of Valentino Rossi's MotoGP team is worried the charismatic Italian will be lured to Formula One by Ferrari.

Amid rumours the 30-year-old has received an offer for the 2011 season from arch rivals Ducati, Yamaha team manager Davide Brivio said: "The greatest danger is Ferrari."

Rossi tested a two-year-old F2008 at the Circuit de Catalunya this week, ostensibly as a reward for his latest title on two wheels.

But the Italian posted impressive times, amid rumours Ferrari would gladly give Rossi a Formula One drive if only the rules were changed to accommodate third cars.

"I have to be worried about these excellent (lap) times because Valentino really could get the desire to change sport," Brivio told La Gazzetta dello Sport on Saturday.

Rossi has played down the latest rumours, but the Italian sports daily pointed out that he hinted at an F1 switch in a recent interview with the international motorcycle federation's magazine.

In the interview, he indicated that Barcelona was chosen for his latest F1 test "to make a clear comparison".

"I'll decide my future in a few months: I've also had an offer from Ducati. It'll all be clear in a few months," he said.

FU.Ferrari

F1 MATTERS ARISING: TORO ROSSI?
Saturday 23rd January 2010

Jean Todt's been making more positive moves, USF1 name their first pay-to-drive driver but the big big news is Valentino Rossi's spectacular F1 progress.
JUST FOR FUN...?
Did anyone believe Valentino Rossi when he said he was trying out a Ferrari F1 car for fun and had no intention to start an F1 career? Certainly the times he put in this week at the Circuit de Catalunya have shown that he has learnt a lot on the Ferrari simulator and can now put it into practice.

The MotoGP champion set a time of 1m21.900s during a qualifying simulation late on Thursday afternoon and although meaningful comparisons are impossible, it looked pretty good to us.

Rossi was using a 2008 Ferrari chassis fitted with GP2 specification slick tyres. Kimi Raikkonen took pole for the 2008 grid with a 1m21.813s. Kimi had the four-groove tyres which would have slowed him, and the car would not have been as developed for an early-season race as it would have been by the end of the year, but he would have had a much much cleaner track to race on.

So, Ferrari's glut of potential drivers continues. Felipe Massa got into the car the day after and completed 400km of running. Surprisingly Ferrari didn't release any times for Massa, having been quite happy to release times for the 'bit of fun' Valentino was having the day before. You'd think it would be the other way round.

Could it be Ferrari want to sign Valentino to a deal before the world realises how good he could be? He's got nothing left to prove in Moto GP and, like the return of Schumi, it would send F1 viewing figures soaring. The 2010 'Silly Season' has started before the 2010 season!

STFU Planet F1


Casey/Haystack looking for a job then if he goes Duc

MUGELLO 2010 ANNOUNCEMENT ANYONE.?

I'd be surprised if he made the switch but I want it to happen more than anything. Not for any reasons to do with MotoGP, solely because I want to see one of the most talented racers of all time regardless of category try his hand at the perceived peak of all motorsports. If he made the switch and was successful, it would be amongst the highest accomplishments in motorsport history. If he goes to F1, I'd be a Rossibopper for sure. Well maybe not a bopper, but he'd have my unyielding support in every race.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Jan 23 2010, 05:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'd be surprised if he made the switch but I want it to happen more than anything. Not for any reasons to do with MotoGP, solely because I want to see one of the most talented racers of all time regardless of category try his hand at the perceived peak of all motorsports. If he made the switch and was successful, it would be amongst the highest accomplishments in motorsport history. If he goes to F1, I'd be a Rossibopper for sure. Well maybe not a bopper, but he'd have my unyielding support in every race.
+1

Not gonna happen. He sucks at F1, and he's too old. I wouldn't mind though watching him get his ... kicked. Would be amusing.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teomolca @ Jan 24 2010, 01:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Not gonna happen. He sucks at F1, and he's too old. I wouldn't mind though watching him get his ... kicked. Would be amusing.


hahaha. would def be amusing to watch! something he's not use to! but yeah. if he goes to f1. then im sure he'll drag with him many motogp fans.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teomolca @ Jan 23 2010, 05:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Not gonna happen. He sucks at F1, and he's too old. I wouldn't mind though watching him get his ... kicked. Would be amusing.

What? Don't want Alonso to get kicked to the curb?

Relax, its contract time. He pulled the same thing 2 years ago.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Jan 24 2010, 10:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Relax, its contract time. He pulled the same thing 2 years ago.

True.....but things have changed quite a lot in Motogp and at Yamaha in 2 years, Single Tyre rule-Boring, Engine Restriction rules-ridiculous, less practice time and increasingly difficult machines to ride and get into a dogfight with others. Though the latter won't change much in F1.....JB wants to retire.......

I think one of the determining factors will be the return of the 1000's and if they can make it happen in 2011 as discussed. One or two more titles back on a thou is quite a big carrot.....but now doubt Ferrari's pockets are also very deep, add to this the lure of the world's perceived greatest motorsport and it should be interesting......for Brivio to say this then there is a real concern, maybe some figures were discussed already, VR does mange himself these days.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teomolca @ Jan 23 2010, 10:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Not gonna happen. He sucks at F1, and he's too old. I wouldn't mind though watching him get his ... kicked. Would be amusing.
I don't think he would suck, but I dont think he would go unless he thought there was a reasonable chance that he had championship winning capability rather than just the capability to be competitive.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Jan 24 2010, 03:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'd be surprised if he made the switch but I want it to happen more than anything. Not for any reasons to do with MotoGP, solely because I want to see one of the most talented racers of all time regardless of category try his hand at the perceived peak of all motorsports. If he made the switch and was successful, it would be amongst the highest accomplishments in motorsport history. If he goes to F1, I'd be a Rossibopper for sure. Well maybe not a bopper, but he'd have my unyielding support in every race.

I'd support him too. Wouldn't be a bopper like talpa. I shoot myself before I ended up like that but I would definitely support Rossi in F1.

The English fans would have a big problem. Support LH or VR?????

But.....


This is just negotiation tactics for Rossi. There are 3 other aliens of contract at the same time who could fill his place in a team and we haven't seen Spies for a full season yet so Rossi has less bargining power than he ever has in MotoGP. It makes sense then to use the leverage of another category to bolster his negotiations. This way Dorna buy more into his contract negotiations as well. The threat of losing VR to F1 must make Dizzy weep.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TP70 @ Jan 24 2010, 05:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'd support him too. Wouldn't be a bopper like talpa. I shoot myself before I ended up like that but I would definitely support Rossi in F1.

Hopefully your support for the GOAT will grow then........

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TP70 @ Jan 24 2010, 09:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>But.....


This is just negotiation tactics for Rossi. There are 3 other aliens of contract at the same time who could fill his place in a team and we haven't seen Spies for a full season yet so Rossi has less bargining power than he ever has in MotoGP. It makes sense then to use the leverage of another category to bolster his negotiations. This way Dorna buy more into his contract negotiations as well. The threat of losing VR to F1 must make Dizzy weep.

Yeah, poor Rossi got no leverage and absolutely need this.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Jan 24 2010, 07:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, poor Rossi got no leverage and absolutely need this.
Come on Fish read first. I never said no leverage, I said less leverage. Most of Rossi's career he has been one of one at the top. Now he is one of three or four. Also he propably has 2 or 3 more seasons before he goes to WRC. Of course he has less leverage then when he was unbeatable.

For someone who can determine if a throttle was twisted all the way or not form 50m at 150+k/hr your perception of a post is not that good.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TP70 @ Jan 24 2010, 10:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Come on Fish read first. I never said no leverage, I said less leverage. Most of Rossi's career he has been one of one at the top. Now he is one of three or four. Also he propably has 2 or 3 more seasons before he goes to WRC. Of course he has less leverage then when he was unbeatable.

For someone who can determine if a throttle was twisted all the way or not form 50m at 150+k/hr your perception of a post is not that good.
Gold!!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TP70 @ Jan 24 2010, 09:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Come on Fish read first. I never said no leverage, I said less leverage. Most of Rossi's career he has been one of one at the top. Now he is one of three or four. Also he propably has 2 or 3 more seasons before he goes to WRC. Of course he has less leverage then when he was unbeatable.

For someone who can determine if a throttle was twisted all the way or not form 50m at 150+k/hr your perception of a post is not that good.


Less bargaining power than ever before? I'm not too sure about Fish's trackside perception, but I know yours is terrible-terribly colored red!

Two of the other Aliens have yet to win a world title in the premier class, and the other has only one. Against the 7 time winner your logic is of course misguided again.

However, VR's age, growing interest in other motorsports and his ever-growing complaints with Dorna's ridiculous new rules, should really be reducing his appeal to Motogp Teams, yet we have seen Yamaha, Ducati and even Honda openly admit they are very interested in acquiring his services. And of course the public/media interest in where he will go in 2011 is far greater than any of the other aliens and probably also greater than his switch in late 03.

Seems winning championships and developing the best bike on the grid is still more important to teams and manufactures.

IMO the most important factor in VR's decision will be what Jeremy Burgess wants to do next year, as it should be.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Jan 25 2010, 09:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Less bargaining power than ever before? I'm not too sure about Fish's trackside perception, but I know yours is terrible-terribly colored red!

Two of the other Aliens have yet to win a world title in the premier class, and the other has only one. Against the 7 time winner your logic is of course misguided again.

However, VR's age, growing interest in other motorsports and his ever-growing complaints with Dorna's ridiculous new rules, should really be reducing his appeal to Motogp Teams, yet we have seen Yamaha, Ducati and even Honda openly admit they are very interested in acquiring his services. And of course the public/media interest in where he will go in 2011 is far greater than any of the other aliens and probably also greater than his switch in late 03.

Seems winning championships and developing the best bike on the grid is still more important to teams and manufactures.

IMO the most important factor in VR's decision will be what Jeremy Burgess wants to do next year, as it should be.
JB will hang around for another couple of years but only with Rossi he pretty much ruled out working with another rider..

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TP70 @ Jan 24 2010, 12:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Come on Fish read first. I never said no leverage, I said less leverage. Most of Rossi's career he has been one of one at the top. Now he is one of three or four. Also he propably has 2 or 3 more seasons before he goes to WRC. Of course he has less leverage then when he was unbeatable.

For someone who can determine if a throttle was twisted all the way or not form 50m at 150+k/hr your perception of a post is not that good.

You are right, I said NO leverage just to enhance your absurdity because it is absolutely nothing less than hilarious.
Putting my own preferences aside you still talk about what is generally considered "The GOAT". The most popular rider ever, the one with 9 championships, and the current world champion and you suggest he need to create some kind of tension to get more leverage?
Lets get back to basic:
As a rookie in 125,he had more leverage?
As a rookie in 250?
As a rookie in 500?
Maybe you made it into a trick question and meant MotoGP as in the MotoGP bike and not the complete series with the trade marked MotoGP that existed years before that. If so:
As a one time 500cc winner he had more leverage than the 9 times multi champion of today?
As a two time looser at the end of '07 he had more leverage than now?
I don't know what went wrong when they wired you but using ANY of those alternatives and tell them to any commentator, Yamaha, ...anyone and you'll give them a good laugh as you gave me.
I can see you make a point of his age or time left in racing.
What validity would that hold when the odds for winning with any of the other aliens is much less?
Who wants to put the same effort into a Pedrosa or Lorenzo with little real chance of championship win and regardless of position only a minimal fraction of marketability.
What's the current value Rossi vs Lorenzo? about 10:1? 100:1? It doesn't matter if the other 3 are good, they have very little value compared to Rossi. So little that even with a loss next year Rossi would still have the upper hand by a large margin.


BWin.com today:
World Championships, World, Motorbikes
Outright winner:
Valentino Rossi (ITA/Yamaha) 2.60
Casey Stoner (AUS/Ducati) 2.90
Daniel Pedrosa (ESP/Honda) 6.00
Jorge Lorenzo (ESP/Yamaha) 6.00

No, lets get realistic. The power and leverage Rossi have today is not healthy for the sport.
IMO he handles it just fine, but others like Jumkie don't think so at all and it is symptomatic for the leverage he got. He has to be very careful about what he says and does, and in '07 he wanted the bridgestones and that was a bit too much for some here. I see no signs that his leverage is substantially less today.

Btw, take a look at Suzuka 2001 and watch McCoy and how he throttle the bike gearing down. The camera shot is from quite a distance but despite the distance and bad quality (ESPN Classic) there is no doubt for anyone who care to watch what's going on. Lap 4 btw. Throttle control is the rider control easiest to spot if you just want to look. Try and you might learn something.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TP70 @ Jan 24 2010, 02:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>But.....

This is just negotiation tactics for Rossi. There are 3 other aliens of contract at the same time who could fill his place in a team and we haven't seen Spies for a full season yet so Rossi has less bargining power than he ever has in MotoGP. It makes sense then to use the leverage of another category to bolster his negotiations. This way Dorna buy more into his contract negotiations as well. The threat of losing VR to F1 must make Dizzy weep.

But why is this happening? Of course the Fan base and Marketing. But why did that happen? Somehow being the All Times Best has helped I think (Ok, Agostini still has Records to be broken but Rossi has been in the Top of the MotoGP list for a while now).

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Jan 24 2010, 03:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, poor Rossi got no leverage and absolutely need this.

Exactly.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TP70 @ Jan 24 2010, 05:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Come on Fish read first. I never said no leverage, I said less leverage. Most of Rossi's career he has been one of one at the top. Now he is one of three or four. Also he propably has 2 or 3 more seasons before he goes to WRC. Of course he has less leverage then when he was unbeatable.

For someone who can determine if a throttle was twisted all the way or not form 50m at 150+k/hr your perception of a post is not that good.

But Rossi keeps breaking Records and winning Championships... His leverage has to be equal or better these days.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Jan 25 2010, 10:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You are right, I said NO leverage just to enhance your absurdity because it is absolutely nothing less than hilarious.
Putting my own preferences aside you still talk about what is generally considered "The GOAT". The most popular rider ever, the one with 9 championships, and the current world champion and you suggest he need to create some kind of tension to get more leverage?
Lets get back to basic:
As a rookie in 125,he had more leverage?
As a rookie in 250?
As a rookie in 500?
Maybe you made it into a trick question and meant MotoGP as in the MotoGP bike and not the complete series with the trade marked MotoGP that existed years before that. If so:
As a one time 500cc winner he had more leverage than the 9 times multi champion of today?
As a two time looser at the end of '07 he had more leverage than now?
I don't know what went wrong when they wired you but using ANY of those alternatives and tell them to any commentator, Yamaha, ...anyone and you'll give them a good laugh as you gave me.
I can see you make a point of his age or time left in racing.
What validity would that hold when the odds for winning with any of the other aliens is much less?
Who wants to put the same effort into a Pedrosa or Lorenzo with little real chance of championship win and regardless of position only a minimal fraction of marketability.
What's the current value Rossi vs Lorenzo? about 10:1? 100:1? It doesn't matter if the other 3 are good, they have very little value compared to Rossi. So little that even with a loss next year Rossi would still have the upper hand by a large margin.


BWin.com today:
World Championships, World, Motorbikes
Outright winner:
Valentino Rossi (ITA/Yamaha) 2.60
Casey Stoner (AUS/Ducati) 2.90
Daniel Pedrosa (ESP/Honda) 6.00
Jorge Lorenzo (ESP/Yamaha) 6.00

No, lets get realistic. The power and leverage Rossi have today is not healthy for the sport.
IMO he handles it just fine, but others like Jumkie don't think so at all and it is symptomatic for the leverage he got. He has to be very careful about what he says and does, and in '07 he wanted the bridgestones and that was a bit too much for some here. I see no signs that his leverage is substantially less today.

Btw, take a look at Suzuka 2001 and watch McCoy and how he throttle the bike gearing down. The camera shot is from quite a distance but despite the distance and bad quality (ESPN Classic) there is no doubt for anyone who care to watch what's going on. Lap 4 btw. Throttle control is the rider control easiest to spot if you just want to look. Try and you might learn something.

Fish, jeez mate someone needs to put some food in your tank, your getting flappy!

If you can not see that Rossi uses other categories of racing as a negotiation tactic then I can not help you. But...

I said he has LESS leverage than he ever has in MotoGP. You are correct that I don't consider 125 or 250 MotoGP. I almost never used to watch these races as I was only ever interested in the 500's and then the 990's. But since Stoner began his career I have watch because on pay TV here you see them live now. They never used to be before.

Anyway... so you can understand - all of those other years you refer to, in my opinion Rossi had no challengers. He was soooo much better than every other rider that he had massive leverage. Now that he has challengers (now I know you and the other disciples don't think he has challengers because he is 9xWC and all the other stats that you can pull out dating back to the time that he suggested that the wheel should be round) and he is closing in on the end of his God like career the manufacturers can think "well I have Stoner who has BEATEN Rossi to a WC and has won the same number of races in this era and can ride our bike like a m'......, I don't need to drop 30mill to get the only person who can win because I already have someone who has won and continues to win"

In short Fish there are other riders who have a pretty decent chance at winning the WC. This MUST reduce VR's negotiation ability. Not kill it but reduce it. I have been in sales for more than 20 years so I know a thing or two about negotiating a deal and leverage is up there in the tool stakes.

I have no knowledge of contracts between Rossi and the players (Yamaha, Fiat, Dorna) but I would be very suprised if Dorna weren't chipping in for Rossi's salary. After all he has bought millions of annoying boppers to the support who would all go where ever he goes because they are a fan of 46 not MotoGP. Dorna does not want to lose these boppers so VR toying with other categories keeps Dizzy on his toes and his cheque book open.

As far as throttle control being the easiest rider control to see, well personally I find it easier to see them shift their body around on the bike but then I only have human vision not 'Amphibious Vision'.
Gearing down is a little different to feeding it on especially in 2001 when they actually used the throttle when changing down unlike now days.