Your Top 10 Current riders in the world.

The arguement about Bayliss going on - well most top 10's in this thread include him and mostly near the top so this says that most think he is pretty good. I can see how people can question his MotoGP career. It has proved difficult for everyone coming from superbike to adjust to a prototype. Equally it has proved difficult from GP riders to adapt to superbike. Also 2005 when Bayliss rode for Camel, you can't blame him for that because the bike was Yellow. We all know yellow is not as fast as red.

The arguement about Aussie Superbike series - this series has produced many of the leaders in varies current championships. Unless you live here you don't realise how out of the picture Australia is for scouts looking for talent. Also Australian companies don't back motorsport on the world stage because we are to far away. The UK is a hub for motorsport technology especially F1 so money from UK companies is well spent on the world stage - you can run of a significant list of UK companies that sponsor world motorsport.

If you wacked 10 top Aussies who haven't made it on the world stage against 10 top brits who haven't made it, in a race I know where my money would be!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Jul 14 2007, 11:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well. what a knowledgeable and intelligent answer.

The forum is a richer place for your informative opinion.

Pete

Have a look at this Oulton Park qualifying list from yesterday. Notice all the names that have failed in a number of different World Championship series; Haslam, Lavilla, Byrne, Walker, Smart, Emmett ... pretty impressive list ... NOT!

Rea might be your saviour but based on how well the previous lot have gone I wouldn't be holding my breath waiting!

Now who will pull out the old "but they didn't have a decent bike/team/financial baking etc etc" response?!



1 Jonathan Rea GBR HM Plant Honda Racing 1min 34.914 secs
2 Tom Sykes GBR Stobart Vent-Axia Motorsport 1min 35.272 secs
3 Leon Haslam GBR Airwaves Ducati 1min 35.529 secs
4 Ryuichi Kiyonari JPN HM Plant Honda Racing 1min 35.603 secs
5 Gregorio Lavilla ESP Airwaves Ducati 1min 35.66 secs
6 Karl Harris GBR Hydrex Honda 1min 36.058 secs
7 Cal Crutchlow GBR Rizla Suzuki 1min 36.202 secs
8 Shane Byrne GBR Stobart Vent-Axia Motorsport 1min 36.386 secs
9 Leon Camier GBR Bike Animal Honda 1min 36.485 secs
10 Tommy Hill GBR Virgin Mobile Optoma Loans Yamaha 1min 36.763 secs
11 Chris Walker GBR Rizla Suzuki 1min 37.076 secs
12 Michael Rutter GBR Isilon MSS Discovery Kawasaki 1min 37.252 secs
13 Scott Smart GBR Hawk Colchester Kawasaki 1min 37.458 secs
14 Simon Andrews GBR Jentin Racing 1min 38.547 secs
15 Tommy Bridewell GBR Team Naturally Best Suzuki 1min 38.75 secs
16 Ollie Bridewell GBR Team Naturally Best Suzuki 1min 38.902 secs
17 Chris Martin C GBR Red Viper Racing 1min 38.975 secs
18 James Buckingham C GBR Quay Garage Honda 1min 38.994 secs
19 Tristan Palmer C GBR THR Racing Honda 1min 39.099 secs
20 Peter Hickman GBR Hawk Kawasaki 1min 39.192 secs
21 Marty Nutt C GBR NuttTravel.com Yamaha 1min 39.479 secs
22 Aaron Zanotti C GBR SMT Yamaha 1min 39.801 secs
23 Tom Tunstall GBR Hardinge-Ice Valley Honda 1min 39.967 secs
24 Sean Emmett AUS Samsung Mobile Suzuki 1min 40.206 secs
25 Malcolm Ashley C GBR MAR 1min 40.828 secs
26 Paul Barron C GBR PBM Racing Ireland 1min 41.185 secs
27 Les Shand GBR AIM Yamaha 1min 41.986 secs
28 Neil Faulkner C GBR Team Emco/NSF Racing 1min 42.456 secs


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 15 2007, 07:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The relevance was that F1 is the pinnacle of motorsport and the UK has not only the heritage but also the recent and relevant success to show that Britain is still at the forefront motorsport despite having not produced a motogp world champion for a long long time .

If you really believe F1 is the pinnacle you don't belong on this forum ...

It's;

the most watched tv audience ... yes
most money involved ... yes
biggest yawn ... yes
most exciting ... no
led by a brit ... yes

case closed!

Nice post there Krusty - everything you said about F1 is true! BSB hahahaha! Wow what a lot of has beens!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (krusty @ Jul 15 2007, 12:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>1. Have a look at this Oulton Park qualifying list from yesterday. Notice all the names that have failed in a number of different World Championship series;

2. It's;

the most watched tv audience ... yes
most money involved ... yes
biggest yawn ... yes
most exciting ... no
led by a brit ... yes

case closed!

1. Superbike racing has always been full of grand prix rejects, and domestic superbikes nowadays tend to be a mixture of experienced riders staying in their comfort zone because they have passed their best and up and coming youngsters. BSB is no different except that it is better than other domestic series'.

2. All you have said there is that you don't like F1, which means nothing to me

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 15 2007, 05:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>1. Superbike racing has always been full of grand prix rejects, and domestic superbikes nowadays tend to be a mixture of experienced riders staying in their comfort zone because they have passed their best and up and coming youngsters. BSB is no different except that it is better than other domestic series'.

2. All you have said there is that you don't like F1, which means nothing to me

Unless I am mistaken this is a motorcycle forum. Let's leave F1 out of it as we will end up getting the Nascar people claiming their series is better. Let's leave it as a bike forum!

I still scratch my head when you claim the BSB is the best domestic series! It is impossible to compare a series with another!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (krusty @ Jul 15 2007, 09:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I still scratch my head when you claim the BSB is the best domestic series! It is impossible to compare a series with another!

I don't think its impossible to compare series' at all, its actually quite easy.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 15 2007, 06:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't think its impossible to compare series' at all, its actually quite easy.

Looking forward to hearing how!

It is hard to compare domestic series unless you can some how watch/follow them all in detail. What you can do is tell who the best rider in that country is by who wins it. Then see how they do in world series'
Which obviously for britain - we suck in gp. However that's not the fault of the riders not having the ability. It's the fault of the failure to keep a gp 250 class on a par with superbikes.
We need to stop complaining about not having top riders and get behind 250s so we don't lose 5 more years on the rest of the world until there is a switch to 4strokes - when i assume the people in charge in britain will actually sort out a top gp class that is required above the 125s.

Youve still to explain why Aussies come over to the UK to further thier careers though. Do they come over to show that if they can win a .... series then they are world class?

BTW, a national series IS going to be made up of young riders, and guys who didnt make it in the world championship. If they were the best in the world they would be in the WORLD championship. BSB has been looked on as one of the premier national series for a long time, why else would the Japs send Kiyo and Kagayama here to groom them for GPs?

Nobody is going to deny that Australia has produced some of the finest bike racers for years, Its no secret on here that I followed Doohan from the late 80s til his retirement, and often use him as a benchmark to compare other riders.

What is a load of crap is to dismiss BSB as a .... series, it's not, you dont do your credibility any good by spouting crap like that. Just makes you look like someone shouting there mouth off to get a reaction. Or someone who doesnt know what they are talking about.

If you go back to the 90s, with riders like Mackenzie, Reynolds, Hizzy and Whitham in the mix, they were guys who could go and land on the podium or indeed win WSB races as wildcards podiums. Yes, some were probably past their best, but they could still do the damage on the world scene.


Oh yeah, how many BSB champs go on to win WSB titles? not GP I know, but it proves the depth of the field.

Ive said it before on here, if you are gonna make bold staements, back them up.

Pete

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Jul 15 2007, 12:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>BSB has been looked on as one of the premier national series for a long time, why else would the Japs send Kiyo and Kagayama here to groom them for GPs?

Should be in spain to groom for GPs surely?!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pirkkalan GP @ Jul 15 2007, 10:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Should be in spain to groom for GPs surely?!


Hey, sort that out with Honda and Suzuki, I'm just telling it the way it happens!

And yeah, Kagayama did go into World Supers, my mistake, but the word is that they want Kiyo to go to GP.

Pete

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Jul 15 2007, 12:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hey, sort that out with Honda and Suzuki, I'm just telling it the way it happens!

And yeah, Kagayama did go into World Supers, my mistake, but the word is that they want Kiyo to go to GP.

Pete

Cool. Will be interesting to see how Kiyo does if it comes off

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pirkkalan GP @ Jul 15 2007, 10:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Cool. Will be interesting to see how Kiyo does

Youve made an excellent point earlier here. The problem with Brit riders is the support series, and riders don't hit their prime here until later. Too late for the world stage, but makes for great domestic racing.

British racing needs a shake up to help develop riders careers. Thats why we need Rea moving up ASAP.

Pete

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Jul 15 2007, 07:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Youve still to explain why Aussies come over to the UK to further thier careers though. Do they come over to show that if they can win a .... series then they are world class?

Its quite simple really, the series over in aus is not scouted like the british series, i mean the majority of teams are based in europe, its more or less the home of motorsport in many ways. The talent in australia is decent (iv kept an eye on it) but to really get noticed the riders need to make the move over the the UK where the series are more in the spotlight then they are in aus. There is talent there, but it doesnt get noticed at all compared to in the UK.

anyway so much childish bitching in this thread i wont even bother with my top 10, it will just cause more dummyspitting.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ospi @ Jul 15 2007, 08:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Its quite simple really, the series over in aus is not scouted like the british series, i mean the majority of teams are based in europe, its more or less the home of motorsport in many ways. The talent in australia is decent (iv kept an eye on it) but to really get noticed the riders need to make the move over the the UK where the series are more in the spotlight then they are in aus. There is talent there, but it doesnt get noticed at all compared to in the UK.

anyway so much childish bitching in this thread i wont even bother with my top 10, it will just cause more dummyspitting.

That is my point. Australians have to go to another series because we don't have any level of corporate support in our own country (too many sports chasing too few dollars)!

BSB in recent years has not been a stepping stone to anything for anyone! I could also sit here and say our domestic series was stronger than BSB but it cannot be qualified (although I could make a strong case for this)

The point of forums is for people to discuss/argue/debate what they believe. You can say what you want and post that I know nothing about anything ... that's your prerogative ... you are Basspete and I'm Krusty! Big deal! What I do know is that there are 3.5 Australians in MotoGP (for those that don't know Edwards Old man is an Aussie) and one "anglo-american)! That is a fact!

So... Pedrosa.... anybody think he's not one of the top 10 after that? Anybody got something to say?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ospi @ Jul 15 2007, 08:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Its quite simple really, the series over in aus is not scouted like the british series, i mean the majority of teams are based in europe, its more or less the home of motorsport in many ways. The talent in australia is decent (iv kept an eye on it) but to really get noticed the riders need to make the move over the the UK where the series are more in the spotlight then they are in aus. There is talent there, but it doesnt get noticed at all compared to in the UK.

anyway so much childish bitching in this thread i wont even bother with my top 10, it will just cause more dummyspitting.
Yes we are all children here - thats the point! It's all a bit of oneupmanship!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (IsraeliRacer @ Jul 15 2007, 01:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So... Pedrosa.... anybody think he's not one of the top 10 after that? Anybody got something to say?

There is no answer to what just happened

I believe pedrosa was in my top 10....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (IsraeliRacer @ Jul 15 2007, 01:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So... Pedrosa.... anybody think he's not one of the top 10 after that? Anybody got something to say?
i picked him #5.

funny how capi hayden,pedro,edwards melandri all performed well today when if you read back what some so called knowledgeable race fans have been saying about them, such a shame checa crashed out.