WSBK vs MotoGP

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Dont forget Shinya Nakano, his tyre blew apart at Mugello at god knows what speed, got banged up pretty bad from what i remember.



I dont think it is the arsehole Flammini's that should be having a go at Dorna, as much as i despise them it is them who should be having a go at the Flammini's -



Gp's are supposed to be prototypes ie you cant just go into your local Yamaha dealer & pick up an M1, no matter how much green you show em. Superbikes are supposed to be bikes that you can if your wallet allows go into a dealer & get the same bike you see on the telly but that just aint true anymore. Those things are so complicated & expensive you cant get your hands on them as joe public so if you ask me its superbike that are going outside the rules not gp's.



As far as getting back to racing that is actually good to watch, then im not sure, but lowering the capacity aint gonna cut it. All this will do is what it has done already, increase costs so high that sponsors leave, factories leave & only the richest apply.



Same thing ive said a hundred times before, what would you rather watch -



1. 16 bikes lapping at record pace seconds apart



2. 20+ bikes lapping slower but close together with some good paint swapping & most of all competition.



At the moment all we are treated to is a competition of engineers & electronics, no matter who wins just an occasional spark of close racing.









If we are talking Moto GP, i will take number 1. If a close race happens fine. If it doesnt, fine. Im all about the technical end of prototype racing. If its the pinnacle of bike racing, it needs to be the pinnacle in all categories. Riders, Rider pay, technology =[ even though i would be happy with 1000cc, no electronics, no fuel limitation] . The sport needs the tire war, including bringing back the Q tire. GP needs to do the things that will separate them from any other series, especially on the performance end. Personally, i think the manufacturer war is a must.In the end, these companies are competing for business.No, you cant go purchase an RC212v or an M1, but your purchasing decision can be swayed by say, Honda's never ending quest to advance technology, and its desire to win.Most of these companies sell more than just bikes, winning you over in the bike world, may sell you a car,lawn mower, jet, bullet train, piano, generator etc etc.. I think it would be a big mistake to try and drive them away.To me, this is not the series for everyone who just wants to go racing. It takes a huge money commitment, and if the field is small, so be it, but dont lose sight of who you are to appease some busted ... wanna be team owner, who will run last no matter how much you cut cost. If you want to run with the big dogs, climb out from under the porch. Go race in a national series if you want equality, but dont come here and ..... and moan that you cant compete

I just want to watch the best riders in the world slicing and dicing on machines that are at least arguably the best bikes in the world. The proof that they are the best riders will be that they get paid the mostest money.

The ideal MotoGP formula for me is one that encourges and keeps the exotic prototype nature of MotoGP, while also simplifying some areas, like electronics. But I want MotoGP bikes to remain high end technology and not be less advanced from a normal road going superbike.

ryan92 said:

The ideal MotoGP formula for me is one that encourges and keeps the exotic prototype nature of MotoGP, while also simplifying some areas, like electronics. But I want MotoGP bikes to remain high end technology and not be less advanced from a normal road going superbike.

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The trouble is, the most exotic part of MotoGP right now is the electronics. Most of the R&D is spent there, the rest of the bike is mainly just refinements of standard bike design.

Kropotkin said:

The trouble is, the most exotic part of MotoGP right now is the electronics. Most of the R&D is spent there, the rest of the bike is mainly just refinements of standard bike design.

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Except the Ducati, right?



Oh what would Mr. Britten say?

Jumkie said:

Except the Ducati, right?

Oh what would Mr. Britten say?

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Even the Ducati isn't that radical. We've had monocoque chassis for many years, just as we've had CF. The bike is still relatively conservative, except for the electronics.

Don't know about a carbon frame, but I remember Kocinski testing carbon swingarms and wheels and said both were unusable.

Kropotkin said:

Even the Ducati isn't that radical. We've had monocoque chassis for many years, just as we've had CF. The bike is still relatively conservative, except for the electronics.

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It can't be with the MSMA's noose of regs, any radical design in this comp would be a major risk for already tightening budgets.