WSBK vs Motogp

http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/749/5703/Mot...-Editorial.aspx


Good read........Colin's quote-priceless

Where do you live , young Talpa?

I plan to visit you...............a promise or a threat. hahahaha

........sorry...........had a few drinks too many................

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bunyip @ Feb 12 2010, 06:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Where do you live , young Talpa?

I plan to visit you...............a promise or a threat. hahahaha
Tauvilla........be sure to wear your stoner hat and shirt when you come to town

Good find and very interesting,get a room you two.

"Even Spies, who was instantly winning World Superbike races, says his goal is merely to be in the top-10 to start the season in MotoGP, pronouncing that finishing anywhere within that group would be equivalent to a win in WSBK. Yet another solid point in the defense of Grand Prix racing’s superiority."

The main thing MotoGP needs is a bigger grid, well it's something I'd love to see

WSBK looks more spectacular but Moto GP is still the pinnacle & excites me more.

Put Rossi and Spies in WSBK and who would win the title? (fyi if you didn't closely and carefully watch wsbk last year, you won't be able to speculate). This should give you some perspective about MotoGP (something that most fans can't get their head around). WSBK is the better test of a rider. MotoGP is a better test of who builds a better mouse trap.

I don't agree, Toseland was world champ but suffered badly in GP, much down to his mid corner speed or lack of it. Sending riders the other way like Biaggi & they can run up the front in WSB. I hope Spies breaks the mould.

Yeah look at how Biaggi, Checa, Nakano, Tamada and Hopkins have dominated WSBK since leaving Moto Gp.

Oh wait...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danski46 @ Feb 12 2010, 09:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't agree, Toseland was world champ but suffered badly in GP, much down to his mid corner speed or lack of it. Sending riders the other way like Biaggi & they can run up the front in WSB. I hope Spies breaks the mould.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (two-stroke @ Feb 12 2010, 09:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah look at how Biaggi, Checa, Nakano, Tamada and Hopkins have dominated WSBK since leaving Moto Gp.

Oh wait...
That's my point. Which you missed.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (two-stroke @ Feb 12 2010, 05:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah look at how Biaggi, Checa, Nakano, Tamada and Hopkins have dominated WSBK since leaving Moto Gp.

Oh wait...
Hellooo, did I mention anyone other than Biaggi? The others were by & large crap in GP too, Biaggi has done pretty well in WSB & GP

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danski46 @ Feb 12 2010, 09:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hellooo, did I mention anyone other than Biaggi? The others were by & large crap in GP too, Biaggi has done pretty well in WSB & GP

Biaggi was the only regular front runner of the list 2stroke mentioned, the rest were mid packers in both series.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Feb 12 2010, 05:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That's my point. Which you missed.

I didn't Jum.

My comment wasn't exactly serious.

Anyway, fact is, WSBK and GP are two completely different beasts in terms of bikes and tyres.

I think some GP riders might actually struggle in WSBK, but at the same time, I think the cream will always rise to the top. I have no doubt Rossi and Stoner would clean up in either series.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Feb 12 2010, 06:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Biaggi was the only regular front runner of the list 2stroke mentioned, the rest were mid packers in both series.
That's what I said

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (two-stroke @ Feb 12 2010, 10:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I didn't Jum.

My comment wasn't exactly serious.

Anyway, fact is, WSBK and GP are two completely different beasts in terms of bikes and tyres.

I think some GP riders might actually struggle in WSBK, but at the same time, I think the cream will always rise to the top. I have no doubt Rossi and Stoner would clean up in either series.

Yes buddy, I agree. Good post. I just think the knee jerk reaction is to think only the best riders reside in MotoGP. Also, this idea of prototype racing is often and grossly overlooked and misunderstood. Yes, I agree that Rossi and Stoner, etal would be at the front in either series, but I was trying to show how the GP series is more inclined to be effected by package more so than WSBK. By comparing (in speculation) Rossi and Spies in my premise, my point was to bring attention to this discrepancy. In my estimation, Spies would have still been dicing with the four top MotoGP riders had they been on WSBK machines (and I dare say beat them), but he will most likely be behind the four top riders this year. Both rookie seasons, so the difference is the package. And considering he's on the undeniable best brand, this is saying something.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (two-stroke @ Feb 12 2010, 01:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I didn't Jum.

My comment wasn't exactly serious.

Anyway, fact is, WSBK and GP are two completely different beasts in terms of bikes and tyres.

I think some GP riders might actually struggle in WSBK, but at the same time, I think the cream will always rise to the top. I have no doubt Rossi and Stoner would clean up in either series.
Rossi has proven he can ride a Superbike, Stoner may or may not be able to ride on. I said years ago that someone was missing the money train by not having some kind of allstar series of 2 events and 4 races between the top 5 of each series with 2 races each at a track the other doesnt visit. It would be a money bonanza.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (two-stroke @ Feb 12 2010, 06:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I didn't Jum.

My comment wasn't exactly serious.

Anyway, fact is, WSBK and GP are two completely different beasts in terms of bikes and tyres.

I think some GP riders might actually struggle in WSBK, but at the same time, I think the cream will always rise to the top. I have no doubt Rossi and Stoner would clean up in either series.
If Vale or Casey headed to WSBk lets face it they would be unlikely to end up in the Paul Bird Kawasaki team as Chris Vermeulen just has, or countless other low budget efforts that struggle to to remain competitive. They would also bring with them an entire corporate cosmos of sponsorship in addition to 200% factory support.

Valentino followed in the tradition of many other great GP riders at HRC in winning the Suzuka 8hr (on the SP2 with Colin in '02). There are certain riders that could adapt instantly either way. Many Superbike exports historically landed ..... rides such as Troy Corser in the mid nineties (which is why Foggy maintained he never made the switch -despite offers), and vice versa. All things being equal, for GP rider, adjusting to the rigidity of a GP prototype chassis and an unforgiving high revving GP motor with lightswitch power delivery and a very narrow powerband is perhaps a much more formidable challenge than getting your head around a heavier and looser torquey superbike.

In the case of JT, you have to believe he would have faired better several seasons ago on a 990. He really needs to deliver this year on the R1.

simoncelli was that his only ever superbike ride imola ? and a podium thrown in too
goooogling

World Superbike Imola - Race 2 Results:
1. Fabrizio M. (ITA) Ducati 1098R 38'23.143 (162,023 kph)
2. Haga N. (JPN) Ducati 1098R 3.592
3. Simoncelli M. (ITA) Aprilia RSV4 Factory 6.510
4. Biaggi M. (ITA) Aprilia RSV4 Factory 7.445
5. Spies B. (USA) Yamaha YZF R1 14.678
6. Rea J. (GBR) Honda CBR1000RR 16.396

yeah a third but don't know if he's riden a superbike before..good show though

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Feb 12 2010, 07:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If Vale or Casey headed to WSBk lets face it they would be unlikely to end up in the Paul Bird Kawasaki team as Chris Vermeulen just has, or countless other low budget efforts that struggle to to remain competitive. They would also bring with them an entire corporate cosmos of sponsorship in addition to 200% factory support.

Valentino followed in the tradition of many other great GP riders at HRC in winning the Suzuka 8hr (on the SP2 with Colin in '02). There are certain riders that could adapt instantly either way. Many Superbike exports historically landed ..... rides such as Troy Corser in the mid nineties (which is why Foggy maintained he never made the switch -despite offers), and vice versa. All things being equal, for GP rider, adjusting to the rigidity of a GP prototype chassis and an unforgiving high revving GP motor with lightswitch power delivery and a very narrow powerband is perhaps a much more formidable challenge than getting your head around a heavier and looser torquey superbike.

In the case of JT, you have to believe he would have faired better several seasons ago on a 990. He really needs to deliver this year on the R1.
Good post, very true too, you're right about JT, he should have had a chance at gp when Ducati sacked him. I think he will be in the mix this year.