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Jumkie

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Go Nicky! Go PJ Jacobson!

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Totally forgot this is this weekend.

Looking forward to it. I hope Chaz Davies can find some more of what he had at Aragon.
 
Results

1. Jonathan Rea GBR Kawasaki Racing ZX-10R 21 laps
2. Chaz Davies GBR Aruba.it Racing Ducati 1199R +36.662s
3. Nicky Hayden USA Honda Racing CBR1000RR +37.365s
4. Leon Camier GBR MV Agusta RC F4 RR +38.542s
5. Jordi Torres ESP Althea BMW S1000RR +37.922s
6. Lorenzo Savadori ITA IodaRacing Aprilia RSV4 +37.460s
7. Markus Reiterberger GER Althea BMW S1000RR +37.909s
8. Alex Lowes GBR PATA Crescent Yamaha R1 +38.893s
9. Roman Ramos ESP GO Eleven Kawasaki ZX-10R +41.910s
10. Lucas Mahias FRA Pedercini Kawasaki ZX-10R +39.323s
11. Josh Brookes AUS Milwaukee BMW S1000RR +38.638s
12. Alex de Angelis RSM IodaRacing Aprilia RSV4 +39.322s
13. Xavi Fores ESP Barni Ducati 1199R +37.741s
14. Matteo Baiocco ITA VFT Ducati 1199R +39.792s
15. Matthieu Lussiana FRA Team ASPI BMW S1000RR +41.485s

Michael van der Mark NED Honda Racing CBR1000RR 19 laps completed
Karel Abraham CZE Milwaukee BMW S1000RR 13 laps completed
Davide Giugliano ITA Aruba.it Racing Ducati 1199R 12 laps completed
Tom Sykes GBR Kawasaki Racing ZX-10R 9 laps completed
Sylvain Guintoli FRA PATA Crescent Yamaha R1 5 laps completed
Read more at http://www.crash.net/wsbk/results/229462/1/assen-race-results-1.html#3AXJ63zLz1B8sluj.99
 
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Nick's first podium. I just wish he had a competitive bike. Am i reading that right, 2nd place 36.5 seconds behind leader.
 
povol said:
Nick's first podium. I just wish he had a competitive bike. Am i reading that right, 2nd place 36.5 seconds behind leader.
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Perhaps the decimal is in the wrong spot. More like 3.65.

Fantastic racing. Great battling for the lead between all the key riders for most of the race, actually all of it until about the last lap. Unfortunately for Sykes he made a mistake a bit early and with that crash I think ended his championship hopes. Van Mark was nails! That kid has some real talent, unfortunately it looks like he went in a bit to deep into the right hand dip, looked to unsettle the bike and down he went. Stupid? No. Not any more stupid than Iannone crashing out at Qatar. He was pushing hard, override the POS Honda to keep up with Rea and Davies who looked beatable on the day. Rea and Davies both had their issues, Nicky hung on to the lead pack but never made an impression. At least he was stuck to the leaders. After VDM went down Nicky had his own moment, dialed it back and cruised for the podium.

Rea 2016 champ. Game over.
 
Jumkie said:
After VDM went down Nicky had his own moment, dialed it back and cruised for the podium.
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Lucky for Nicky VDM went down so close to the end of race, otherwise Nicky wouldn't have been on the podium at all.....

....Didn't someone else recent get lucky to end up on the podium due to others falling just before the end and yet was considered undeserving of it?

Good on Nicky for doing well this weekend....and coming to terms with the rubbish honda....
 
MigsAngel said:
Lucky for Nicky VDM went down so close to the end of race, otherwise Nicky wouldn't have been on the podium at all.....

....Didn't someone else recent get lucky to end up on the podium due to others falling just before the end and yet was considered undeserving of it?

Good on Nicky for doing well this weekend....and coming to terms with the rubbish honda....
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Nicky was lucky to be on the podium. Like Rossi admitted, I bet Nicky would concede the same. Not just because VDM crashed but also Sykes.

However, I think you would agree, a rider going down ahead of you with a few laps to go is less predictable, in Sykes case several laps, this is different than riders going down (one taken out) on the last turn before the finish.
 
Watching the CBR1000 makes me think I am watching a boat on the circuit.

It has such loopy cornering lines. Really is incredible the speed van der Mark has gotten out of that thing.

Race overall was fantastic...makes you wonder if the ZX-10R's are underachieving or if the riders are underachieving. Yes Rea got the victory in the end, but Davies and van der Mark gave him a very serious run. Davies is perfectly in tune with the Ducati...too bad the tire couldn't hold up.

Tom Sykes has not looked particularly stellar at the past couple of races and today was no exception to that. He just ran far too hot into the chicane...stupid move that he didn't need to do.

van der Mark you just have to wonder what happens if he doesn't go down. He had the pace, but I think he was working towards a last lap overtake attempt to try and win it. What might have been there. Such a fun rider to watch when he gets into his groove. Some over his overtakes were incredible...and more importantly, he made them perfectly clean. Would love to see him on a GP machine.

Nicky finally gets that podium...I get the feeling Nicky is just riding to position at every race. He's not going to chance anything at all.

Hope van der Mark can pull out some stunner for tomorrow's race.
 
JPSLotus said:
Nicky finally gets that podium...I get the feeling Nicky is just riding to position at every race. He's not going to chance anything at all.
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At this point, that's the smartest thing to do. How stupid would he have looked if he crashed out of a podium position?

He's got to learn these tires, the rider's propensities, and race management. He's not in contention, unlike the other leading pack.

There were some good signs. He was able to stick to the back of the lead pack for several laps. For the 4th round, that's not too bad.
 
Jumkie said:
At this point, that's the smartest thing to do. How stupid would he have looked if he crashed out of a podium position?

He's got to learn these tires, the rider's propensities, and race management. He's not in contention, unlike the other leading pack.

There were some good signs. He was able to stick to the back of the lead pack for several laps. For the 4th round, that's not too bad.
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I don't see him doing anything other than riding to position the entire season and taking little to no risk. It's his MO.
 
JPSLotus said:
I don't see him doing anything other than riding to position the entire season and taking little to no risk. It's his MO.
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And that is the reasonable thing to do. Nicky has always been a sensible rider, unwilling to put fellow competitors at risk. And that is one reason Hayden appeals to me. Even the only time he was on a contending machine, he rode sensible, and won the title, in a year that the parity amongst the grid has never been matched since (unlike now in either GP or Wsbk). I say it's his philosophy of racing contrasted to the culture borne from lower category GP or WSS where torpedoes are generally accepted as part of racecraft.

Besides the element of being new to a series is one thing but also those that are competing are still trying to make a name for themselves. There is a motivation to take higher risk. VDM just crashed out of his 'home' race overriding the 3rd or 4th best bike, sensible? Sykes just crashed out of the championship, which was abundantly obvious he was desperate to wrestle back from his teammate and now he just threw that away 'by taking high risk', that's a huge penalty, sensible? Chaz has crashed out often as well, and I've said as much in previous Wsbk threads. Lets face it, the title was always going to come out of the Kawasaki garage this year. I suppose Nicky could thrilled us riding like Davide Guiliano.
 
Jumkie said:
And that is the reasonable thing to do. Nicky has always been a sensible rider, unwilling to put fellow competitors at risk. And that is one reason Hayden appeals to me. Even the only time he was on a contending machine, he rode sensible, and won the title, in a year that the parity amongst the grid has never been matched since (unlike now in either GP or Wsbk). I say it's his philosophy of racing contrasted to the culture borne from lower category GP or WSS where torpedoes are generally accepted as part of racecraft.

Besides the element of being new to a series is one thing but also those that are competing are still trying to make a name for themselves. There is a motivation to take higher risk. VDM just crashed out of his 'home' race overriding the 3rd or 4th best bike, sensible? Sykes just crashed out of the championship, which was abundantly obvious he was desperate to wrestle back from his teammate and now he just threw that away 'by taking high risk', that's a huge penalty, sensible? Chaz has crashed out often as well, and I've said as much in previous Wsbk threads. Lets face it, the title was always going to come out of the Kawasaki garage this year. I suppose Nicky could thrilled us riding like Davide Guiliano.
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I think what it is for me is all I see with Nicky is his post-2006 career where it's just disappointment and underachievement. I'd like to see a fire lit under his ass for one weekend in his life where he actually does a little more than ride to position. All I wanted to see him do today was not sit at the back and never make an effort to probe and see if he could make an overtake happen.

I know where you are coming from regarding the sensibility of crashing, but I'd also say that nothing great is achieved without risk. At the end of it, yeah Kawasaki/Rea will bag this title, but I'd like to see a little more out of Nicky especially after the last few years of him in GP. I can't buy the new series thing anymore, there's a point where you have to acclimate quickly because you are a professional racer. When I start hearing the acclimation stuff and all of that, I start immediately thinking underachieving. Why? I said the same stuff about a number of racers I thought more highly of talent-wise than they actually were. Loved the guys, but in retrospect what I saw from them, was exactly what they were; capable of turning in good performances every so often, just enough to make you think they were going to turn a corner finally, only to plummet back to earth the very next week.
 
Spies wasted no time getting acclimated to WSBK and when he got there he had far less experience than Hayden currently does. Of course, the R1 (even in its first year) was a lot more competitive than the ancient CBR Hayden is racing on.
 
moto vudu said:
Spies wasted no time getting acclimated to WSBK and when he got there he had far less experience than Hayden currently does. Of course, the R1 (even in its first year) was a lot more competitive than the ancient CBR Hayden is racing on.
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Ben was also coming from the AMA Superbike series. The equipment, tires, electronics were certainly more familiar to him than a guy who's been in MotoGP for such a long time.
 
I imagine going from a MotoGP bike to a 10 year old Fireblade is like going back in time 50 years.
 
Going from a factory GP bike to the RCV1000R was like going back 25 years so Nicky was already halfway to a WSBK bike. :D
 

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