Winglets-Strakes to be outlawed in 2017

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Funny but as you know I stopped following racing for a few years and started watching again in 2005. That was the first time I saw racing leathers with the spine protector hump at the neck and had the same reaction. Now I don't even notice them anymore.



Is it actually a spine protector? I thought they were purely for aerodynamics as most riders have their drinks system in there buddy.
To be honest I say let them carry on, as said before its prototype racing and bollocks to the riders whinging they're ugly or cause turbulence. As said, don't slipstream a rider, go faster than them around corners. Lorenzo managed to...
 
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Is it actually a spine protector? I thought they were purely for aerodynamics as most riders have their drinks system in there buddy.
To be honest I say let them carry on, as said before its prototype racing and bollocks to the riders whinging they're ugly or cause turbulence. As said, don't slipstream a rider, go faster than them around corners. Lorenzo managed to...

When I first saw them someone told me it was to protect and stabilize the neck in a crash and I never thought to question it. Thought it made 'em all look like hunchbacks.
 
Missus had me ...... yesterday.

I forgot it was april 1.

"I've got something to show you?"

Comes out with pregnancy test. Saying nothing.

I'm speechless. "You better see Dr archer today, think about what you want to do."

We had previously discussed the morning after abortion pill if unwanted pregnancy. When only hypothesising i thought it was an option. When confronted with the choice, I can't do it, and absolutely will not allow my girl to abort, she'd never, ever get over it.

My mind is everywhere. I might needed to take time out from the fire service to help more at home. But really need the coin.

All day at work, I'm like ..... I need more money, maybe a 3rd job! Gotta start saving.

She thinks it's hilarious.

Me not so much.

Good april fools, fooled me. But not funny. ......
 
Sooo, returning to this. What do we think would have happened here had the Honda had Yamaha/Ducati style front upper winglets?

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Pedrosa seems to think worse.

After a 'horrible' weekend in which he'd been no higher than seventh, Dani Pedrosa was battling for a podium in Sunday's Austin MotoGP...

...Until he lost control of his Repsol Honda while braking for Turn One, his bike then wiping out Ducati's Andrea Dovizioso.

“The front locked as I went over the rise. I could feel it, save it, but the next time it was bigger and then I just lost the bike,” explained Pedrosa, who immediately rushed over to check on the Ducati rider and apologised again when the pair were back in the pits.

“Maybe I had a bit more [lean] angle, but this is what is takes with these tyres. They are very sensitive to what you do on the bike... I'm so sorry for Dovi because it's a .... feeling when [someone] takes you down and the impact was quite hard.”


Fortunately, Dovizioso escaped without serious injury - although Pedrosa warned it may have been worse had his Honda been fitted with the large winglets used by the likes of Ducati and Yamaha.

“It's lucky I don't have the big wings because there the wings can [hurt] the rider and I'm moving to stop this soon. Because we just saw in Argentina what happened with the wing of Andrea [Iannone], cutting the on-board [camera] of Marc [Marquez].

“That is quite strong so if you can cut that, it can cut something else. And like I said, today my impact was very strong to Dovi. I'm happy that he is okay and that my bike didn't give him any injury.”

The other positive was Pedrosa's turn of form in the race, which he credited to a change in riding style.

“The bike was the same as in practice, but I was just trying to ride it in a different way. I had to,” he said. “Just a different way of applying the power and a different way of turning the bike. It made me a little bit stronger but not everything, it is not all the way.

“But I've been struggling like crazy this weekend and I think I was able to finish second today. I had to go to the end, fight with Lorenzo and see how the tyre would last because I was using the soft rear. But I was there and in practice, no.

“I learned quite a lot in those [seven] laps, so I hope I can benefit from that at the next GP.”

Team-mate Marc Marquez dominated the COTA weekend for his fourth Texas victory in a row and now leads the world championship after three rounds.

Pedrosa, handed a podium after Dovizioso was taken out by team-mate Andrea Iannone at the previous Argentina round, is fifth in the standings.

“To have zero so early in the championship is not a good thing, but there can be many ups and downs in this championship. The situation with the bikes and tyres is very unstable depending on the race track. So we have to keep our head down and try to make a good race in Jerez.”
 
Missus had me ...... yesterday.

I forgot it was april 1.

"I've got something to show you?"

Comes out with pregnancy test. Saying nothing.

I'm speechless. "You better see Dr archer today, think about what you want to do."

We had previously discussed the morning after abortion pill if unwanted pregnancy. When only hypothesising i thought it was an option. When confronted with the choice, I can't do it, and absolutely will not allow my girl to abort, she'd never, ever get over it.

My mind is everywhere. I might needed to take time out from the fire service to help more at home. But really need the coin.

All day at work, I'm like ..... I need more money, maybe a 3rd job! Gotta start saving.

She thinks it's hilarious.

Me not so much.

Good april fools, fooled me. But not funny. ......

Just saw this. ....... hilarious.
 
Sooo, returning to this. What do we think would have happened here had the Honda had Yamaha/Ducati style front upper winglets?

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Pedrosa seems to think worse.

It could also have been worse if the bike had impacted just a couple of inches to the left and into Dovi's thigh. In fact, that would have likely been much, much worse. Unless we forget, we have direct evidence of what could happen if a bike with the Ducati style bike crashes into another and it's only a week old. Nothing ontoward happened.
 
It could also have been worse if the bike had impacted just a couple of inches to the left and into Dovi's thigh. In fact, that would have likely been much, much worse. Unless we forget, we have direct evidence of what could happen if a bike with the Ducati style bike crashes into another and it's only a week old. Nothing ontoward happened.

With all due respect, this:

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Was not the same as this:

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Firstly, Pedrosa hit Dovisiozo at a much sharper angle (and hence ferocity) than Iannone did. If you look at Argentina, Dovi's bike tipped over. In Austin, it was thrown quite violently into the air.

Secondly, the Argentina picture shows that the upper winglets was clear of Dovi, and the lower one was around his knee area. In the Austin picture above, the front upper corner of Pedrosa's fairing is in direct contact with Dovisiozo's left upper thigh area. Now consider for a moment what is in the same area on the Yamaha (courtesy of Kropotkin - Motomatters.com):

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I'm not saying there would have been anything worse. But I disagree with your statement that nothing untoward could happen. Those strakes are designed to break off when a shear type load is applied to them, not when a point load is applied parralel to their mass and a pointed end could pierce lethers or skin given the forces involved, even with the minimum radius in the rules. It is like a plastic ruler. They bend/break easily if you put a bending force on them. If you put of point load either end parallel to its length however, it requires a lot more force to break.
 
With all due respect, this: <SNIP> Was not the same as this:

The intent was not to imply that they were. No two accidents are ever the same. The recurring question seems to be how much can you get hurt if a bike equipped with winglets crashes into you, and several "what ifs" are being used to indicate that it would be horrible. What if the bike crashed harder? What if the angle was different? Etc. My point is, we can disregard the what ifs and look at the crashes as they are occurring right now, and the strakes do not seem to be an issue.

Firstly, Pedrosa hit Dovisiozo at a much sharper angle (and hence ferocity) than Iannone did. If you look at Argentina, Dovi's bike tipped over. In Austin, it was thrown quite violently into the air.

Both incidents reinforce my point. Differences in speed, differences in angle of attack, differences in impact. And the strakes are the least of anyone's worries.

I'm not saying there would have been anything worse. But I disagree with your statement that nothing untoward could happen.

That is, categorically, not my statement. My point is that with the forces involved the strakes are unlikely to be the single determining factor that would transform a collision from a minor accident into a gory bloodbath. You can create a scenario where the outcome would be catastrophic as a mental exercise, but the indications seem to be that this is not the case. If you look at the Austin crash, for example, of the impact had occurred just a couple of inches to Dani's left - which would have put the point of impact right around Dovi's thigh - then the result would likely be much worse for Dovi, and the strakes would have nothing to do with it.
 
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I will also say that I am definitely liking the differences that are already developing between Yamaha and Ducati's application. The Ducati application of the forward sweep look agile and aggressive, while Yamaha's curvy design looks really elegant.
 
Good points budoist. I think we can agree that I boils down to unknowns. Something COULD happen but then a hundred other things could cause injury too.
 
All these little things that give manufacturers an edge are slowly being targeted by Valentino. First Ducati and their strakes and superior engine.
Now he's making a fresh assault on Marquez and the Honda.
He'll be insisting that Suzuki run on square wheels next year if they make any more advancement.
Dorna should grow a pair and tell Rossi to shut up and keep his opinions to himself, he's there to race, not to organise the rules in his favour...
 
Dorna should grow a pair and tell Rossi to shut up and keep his opinions to himself, he's there to race, not to organise the rules in his favour...

Bro, that's like telling your son running the family business who is making you rich, hey son, stop whining. Dorna and Rossi are not only business partners, but they go camping together in the RV on family trips.
 
Bro, that's like telling your son running the family business who is making you rich, hey son, stop whining. Dorna and Rossi are not only business partners, but they go camping together in the RV on family trips.



I know buddy, it was wishful thinking more than anything else. It's sickening that a sport that was once honourable is now being made a sham for the almighty dollar.
 
I noticed on the grid on Sunday that the Ducati has bulbous ends on the fairing to cover more of the handlesbars:

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I wonder how long it is until they become more enclosed?
 

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