Why would a World Champion ..............

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Mar 20 2007, 12:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ola V.

Ah but Hayden beat Rossi, and not much liked this, so as children do, they point to a plethora of reasons to take out their frustrations. Let me quote you one that I saw: "Its just the American style of celebrating that ..... me right off!" So even his "American style" celebrating was an issue among the many reasons people have come up and rationalized why he was not a deserving champion. (Which when I read that, begs the question, what exactly was this style that was so different than other celebrations.) Another one I remember was: "Typical American, has to thank God and Jesus, are ‘they’ all required to do this when wining something?" Yes, believe it, I guess judging from this quote, Jesus isn't so popular, eh? (Not that I care, Burky is my Guru As you may have already noticed, as vague as the reasons are like people saying Hayden just didn't give them nice "feelings" or as subjective as "he wasn’t "exciting." You could run the gamete of reason; you would think that Hayden committed some crime when he won the championship. Like Rog and a few other said, that was 06 perhaps it time to move on; but people still not letting it go or accepting it. You can see this from the posts and threads they are coming up with still (like this very thread), reasons to talk .... about his leathers, helmet, and sporting the number 1 plate, etc, etc. It’s rather obvious to me, a bit pathetic, but not so obvious to those under the glare of Rossie colored glasses.
you do have a point here mate,thgere has been some anti american posts but i took them as a bit of fun poking rather than yank hateing.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Mar 20 2007, 03:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>.The Gp title is not a European birth right even though 2 countries have dominated it.Great Britain dominated it years ago and has the most titles but nothing in the last 30 years.Italy has the second most titles and hadnt done much till Rossi in the last 30 years.Now comes the silly wannabe Americans,you know the country that dont know .... about Gp,They have 14 titles in the last 30 years,more than any country by a long shot.
think you forgot about the ausies,as i remember doohan did pretty well, and that not forgot you posted a derogatory remark againt europreans, cuts both ways mate

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Mar 20 2007, 09:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>you do have a point here mate,there has been some anti american posts but i took them as a bit of fun poking rather than yank hateing.

There you go Roger - didn't i tell you they're all paranoid, doughnut eating, trigger happy fuckwits ?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (baldylocks @ Mar 20 2007, 12:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>There you go Roger - didn't i tell you they're all paranoid, doughnut eating, trigger happy fuckwits ?





Just wait till they notice we got a French member of the forum.....We all know how the Yanks love the French...

I'm fine though, "The Auld Alliance" between France and Scotland still stands.

Pete

No i didnt forget the Aussies,they have 7 or eight titles in the last 30 years,but we were talking European birth rights and the last time i checked,Australia was not part of Europe

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (baldylocks @ Mar 20 2007, 06:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>There you go Roger - didn't i tell you they're all paranoid, doughnut eating, trigger happy fuckwits ?


i don't like doughnuts.

im a massive rossi fan but hayden is a top guy, to have a number like 69 is sexy cool and why not have a number 1 plate hes the champ so enjoy while u r champ..

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Mar 20 2007, 02:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No i didnt forget the Aussies,they have 7 or eight titles in the last 30 years,but we were talking European birth rights and the last time i checked,Australia was not part of Europe
who said it was a european birthright ?
this is what you said

.The Gp title is not a European birth right even though 2 countries have dominated it.Great Britain dominated it years ago and has the most titles but nothing in the last 30 years.Italy has the second most titles and hadnt done much till Rossi in the last 30 years.Now comes the silly wannabe Americans,you know the country that dont know .... about Gp,They have 14 titles in the last 30 years,more than any country by a long shot

you said two countrys have dominated it,i pointed out australia because your statment was factuly wrong.

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Yamahamer-AL @ Mar 20 2007, 02:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i don't like doughnuts.

that's the Spanish in you - you Paella eating bandito you

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Mar 20 2007, 04:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>

Just wait till they notice we got a French member of the forum.....We all know how the Yanks love the French...

I'm fine though, "The Auld Alliance" between France and Scotland still stands.

Pete
Ha-ha Pete. What happened to you man, you've gotten all funny all of a sudden. Bring back the insulting mindless cheerleader I know. I'm starting to worry. Don't let SS take your entire thunder buddy.


Oh come on Rog, you know what Provol meant. His point was simply that perhaps some of the hoopla surrounding Hayden was a bit Anti-American. As you already admitted there has been. That's all man. Oh, and yes, I know some of it was poking fun. And I really did enjoy some of the funny stuff (some by you and your lock step buddy locks).

BTW: Locks, its not being paranoid when some of it is true. But yes, we do tend to throw doughnuts at one another on the site and get a kick out of seeing people go round and round.

Its all good, I still <strike>love</strike> sorta like you guys.


<span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:100%Oh my Budda (Burky), I've reached the 1000th post!!!

Its cos he is proud of himself which most people dont realise!!!!
if u beat rossi you would be pretty chuffed wouldnt you???

Actually,im factually correct.Great Britain and Italy have the most titles in Gp ,500 and Moto Gp.Australia is not even close.If you wanted to make a point you should have brought up the fact that the USA has the 3rd most titles,not Australia

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (hrcjunior @ Mar 20 2007, 06:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Its cos he is proud of himself which most people dont realise!!!!
if u beat rossi you would be pretty chuffed wouldnt you???
But did he really beat Rossi? It depends what you define the word 'beat' as.

Hayden won the championship but most of the time he didn't beat Rossi on the track, Rossi had mechanical failures a few times.

My point is...if Hayden beat Rossi on the track, and constantly, then i'd give him the credit but he just didn't!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Alex @ Mar 20 2007, 11:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>But did he really beat Rossi? It depends what you define the word 'beat' as.

Hayden won the championship but most of the time he didn't beat Rossi on the track, Rossi had mechanical failures a few times.

My point is...if Hayden beat Rossi on the track, and constantly, then i'd give him the credit but he just didn't!
Have you guys seen the commercial about Bridgestone tires: It has a them song: And the wheel goes round and round...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Mar 20 2007, 01:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ola V.

Ah but Hayden beat Rossi, and not much liked this, so as children do, they point to a plethora of reasons to take out their frustrations. Let me quote you one that I saw: "Its just the American style of celebrating that ..... me right off!" So even his "American style" celebrating was an issue among the many reasons people have come up and rationalized why he was not a deserving champion. (Which when I read that, begs the question, what exactly was this style that was so different than other celebrations.) Another one I remember was: "Typical American, has to thank God and Jesus, are ‘they’ all required to do this when wining something?" Yes, believe it, I guess judging from this quote, Jesus isn't so popular, eh? (Not that I care, Burky is my Guru

But Junky, if that's all anti americanism you can find you really didn't find much. That doesn't sound like people much grumpier than you were after last race, that has to let some frustration out.
And besides, it is noticed how much the praise of God and Jesus is used in everything from world politics to personal victories in US.
It’s a noticeable difference from most other western countries. Maybe it's easier to see from the outside, but that's the way it is.
For us on the outside it's quite odd to see others praising their almighty god for a victory that might be huge for that person but in the grand scheme is an extremely insignificant event and that's just as strange regardless of what country they come from.
Combined with some frustration that is a very easy pick to have "something" to criticize. After all it's not easy to find things to criticize Hayden for as he is such a nice guy, but from "typical American celebration" and "typical American to thank Jesus" to anti American is a far stretch. At least it is in my book.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Mar 20 2007, 12:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>But Junky,
Very interesting Babelsquid. Actually, all kidding aside. I didn't really look at it like that. I know some countries are more secular than others, but I didn't realize Jesus/Christ/Almighty was such a soar issue. I just looked at it as another way to take a shot at Hayden. I grew up very Christian, but as an adult, I’m no longer religious (except that my new Guru is Burky). BTW: Those were not the only anti-American quotes I’ve seen, these were just the ones that came to mind. I’m too lazy to go back and check them out (even my energy has its limits). But we have very distinct regions in this country. Hayden is from the state of Kentucky, which is called the South. Here the people have religious roots. Especially the people from the rural areas, which is where Nicky is from. So having said that, many people from these parts genuinely feel a sense of gratitude to thank God when they accomplish something. I know sometimes it seems that they are just doing it superficially. I’m from California, which is considered “progressive” (whatever you might attach meaning to it) which is similar to New York, and a few other places that are a bit more secular. People from the Southern region are also made fun of quiet often regarding their religious affinity among a few other stereotypes. But I guess growing up with it has made me more immune, which may not be the case where you are from. It’s a bit funny though because even though I’m not religious anymore, in moments where I have felt so humbled over some accomplishment, I have felt a bit compelled to thank something beyond myself. It really is too bad you guys haven’t been expose to Hayden growing up in the racing ranks, I think most people would have had a different take on the guy. I mean, guys like Hopkins remind me of him, and as you see, he is very well liked. Hayden is similar as a person (regardless of what you may think of him as a racer). He is humble and accessible to people in the paddock. Anyway, now I’m rambling, which I have a tendency to do. In short, yes, lots of people will thank God during an award ceremony, some do it genuinely, perhaps other not, but maybe it’s just a culture thing not seen in other parts of the world.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Mar 20 2007, 11:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Very interesting Babelsquid. Actually, all kidding aside. I didn't really look at it like that. I know some countries are more secular than others, but I didn't realize Jesus/Christ/Almighty was such a soar issue. I just looked at it as another way to take a shot at Hayden. I grew up very Christian, but as an adult, I’m no longer religious (except that my new Guru is Burky). BTW: Those were not the only anti-American quotes I’ve seen, these were just the ones that came to mind. I’m too lazy to go back and check them out (even my energy has its limits). But we have very distinct regions in this country. Hayden is from the state of Kentucky, which is called the South. Here the people have religious roots. Especially the people from the rural areas, which is where Nicky is from. So having said that, many people from these parts genuinely feel a sense of gratitude to thank God when they accomplish something. I know sometimes it seems that they are just doing it superficially. I’m from California, which is considered “progressive” (whatever you might attach meaning to it) which is similar to New York, and a few other places that are a bit more secular. People from the Southern region are also made fun of quiet often regarding their religious affinity among a few other stereotypes. But I guess growing up with it has made me more immune, which may not be the case where you are from. It’s a bit funny though because even though I’m not religious anymore, in moments where I have felt so humbled over some accomplishment, I have felt a bit compelled to thank something beyond myself. It really is too bad you guys haven’t been expose to Hayden growing up in the racing ranks, I think most people would have had a different take on the guy. I mean, guys like Hopkins remind me of him, and as you see, he is very well liked. Hayden is similar as a person (regardless of what you may think of him as a racer). He is humble and accessible to people in the paddock. Anyway, now I’m rambling, which I have a tendency to do. In short, yes, lots of people will thank God during an award ceremony, some do it genuinely, perhaps other not, but maybe it’s just a culture thing not seen in other parts of the world.
Nice post fella.
Personally, I had a bad impression of Americans, and then I went there!
Now I just want to keep going back! The question is, why did I have that impression in the first place?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Burky @ Mar 20 2007, 03:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Nice post fella.
Personally, I had a bad impression of Americans, and then I went there!
Now I just want to keep going back! The question is, why did I have that impression in the first place?
I had the same thing happen to me. Then I took a trip to France, Italy, and the UK. Everybody treated me with courtesy and respect. I wondered where were all the "arrogant" French and "stuffy" Brits and " chauvinist " Italians? I didn't find any. Then it occurred to me. Europe is really not that different in essence than the US. We both have nice people for the most part, it’s the few prejudiced that perpetrate this idea that we are to dislike and distrust eachother. But I have nothing but love for the Euros and Brits. (Except Scotts, that’s a different thing).

I am from the Southern United States and religion is real here.Sometimes over the top real, but real none the less.
We are taught to thank the Lord after accomplisment.Whether you believe or not is up to you but from what i here you better start believing in something or you will be on your knees with a choice to praise Allah or die.Its not being called Eurabia as a joke.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Mar 21 2007, 12:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I am from the Southern United States and religion is real here.Sometimes over the top real, but real none the less.
We are taught to thank the Lord after accomplisment.Whether you believe or not is up to you but from what i here you better start believing in something or you will be on your knees with a choice to praise Allah or die.Its not being called Eurabia as a joke.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Mar 21 2007, 01:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I am from the Southern United States and religion is real here.Sometimes over the top real, but real none the less.
We are taught to thank the Lord after accomplisment.Whether you believe or not is up to you but from what i here you better start believing in something or you will be on your knees with a choice to praise Allah or die.Its not being called Eurabia as a joke.

Lets not go there.
This site is about motoGP

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Burky @ Mar 21 2007, 02:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Awaiting responses!
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All three and a fourth that many seems to forget: respect.
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