Why would a World Champion ..............

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ogunski @ Mar 14 2007, 04:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hayden is the champ, no matter how he got it, it's still his. Put yourselves in his shoes for a moment. You leave your home country to race in the premiere class and people think you are undeserving of a factory ride. Next when you begin you struggle and more shouts for you to be sacked cry out even louder. The European press seems to be against you for the most part, the American press does not care at all. Then shazam, you are the world champion and surely you will get the respect you feel you are due.......and nothing happens. Most people in your country of origin dont even know you are world champion. Those that do know are divided into three categories 1.happy for you and are mostly fans 2.fans of other riders who wish their guy had won, and 3. those that dont care (probably the largest group of all. I say if no one else is willing to pat you on the back, then why not do it yourself? Just my opinion.Fair enough ......

I remember when KR was doing that back in the day.

SS

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ogunski @ Mar 14 2007, 02:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hayden is the champ, no matter how he got it, it's still his. Put yourselves in his shoes for a moment. You leave your home country to race in the premiere class and people think you are undeserving of a factory ride. Next when you begin you struggle and more shouts for you to be sacked cry out even louder. The European press seems to be against you for the most part, the American press does not care at all. Then shazam, you are the world champion and surely you will get the respect you feel you are due.......and nothing happens. Most people in your country of origin dont even know you are world champion. Those that do know are divided into three categories 1.happy for you and are mostly fans 2.fans of other riders who wish their guy had won, and 3. those that dont care (probably the largest group of all. I say if no one else is willing to pat you on the back, then why not do it yourself? Just my opinion.


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Here is an example of what a Rossi-fan writes.



Not to be confused with a Rossi-worshiper.

He is getting a set made up for the end of the season with "Losers just Cry"

Pete

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Mar 14 2007, 08:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I just ordered my t-shirt.


I've ordered my fluffy t shirt.

Pete

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Mar 14 2007, 11:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I dont think the pressure on him would change depending on the number he runs with and the logos he uses. Its not like people would just forget hes the champion if he ran the 69.
I think the 1 has more to do with american tradition that anything else.Nicky grew up dirt tracking and road racing and the AMA tradition awards the 1 plate to the prior season champ.It is a unique mark of excellence that guys will go above and beyond to keep that plate.I doubt it is something he is trying to rub in to the "haters" or anything.As much as I think of Rossi as a rider,many of his fans on this board sound like idiots when they bash Hayden.I think they somehow think Hayden undeservingly tarnished Rossi's record or something like that.In a single year anybody can win a points title with a certain amount of luck and misfortune to other riders.The best team does not always win in team sports either.I don't think anyone is dumb enough to compare Rossi with Hayden or anybody else for that matter.But give the kid a break,I personally know from watching him in his younger years he is a very grounded kid and very well liked by most his competitors.He has worked hard to achieve something we can only fantasize about.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mahagga @ Mar 19 2007, 02:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>many of his fans on this board sound like idiots when they bash Hayden.
strong statment for a first post,welcome i will keep an eye out for your posts

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Mar 19 2007, 10:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>strong statment for a first post,welcome i will keep an eye out for your posts

tsk tsk tsk

well mahagga, why don't you introduce yourself in the Introductions section so we could welcome you properly.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Mar 14 2007, 05:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I noticed you have Casey Stoner as you favorite riders, was that there before the first race of the season?
Nope ..... it'll change every week unless the same guy wins several in a row.



SS

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ssiperko @ Mar 19 2007, 04:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Nope ..... it'll change every week unless the same guy wins several in a row.



SS
WTF. so you not going to put haystack as your fav if by some piece of "luck" he win's a race are you ?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mahagga @ Mar 19 2007, 06:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think the 1 has more to do with american tradition that anything else.Nicky grew up dirt tracking and road racing and the AMA tradition awards the 1 plate to the prior season champ.It is a unique mark of excellence that guys will go above and beyond to keep that plate.I doubt it is something he is trying to rub in to the "haters" or anything.As much as I think of Rossi as a rider,many of his fans on this board sound like idiots when they bash Hayden.I think they somehow think Hayden undeservingly tarnished Rossi's record or something like that.In a single year anybody can win a points title with a certain amount of luck and misfortune to other riders.The best team does not always win in team sports either.I don't think anyone is dumb enough to compare Rossi with Hayden or anybody else for that matter.But give the kid a break,I personally know from watching him in his younger years he is a very grounded kid and very well liked by most his competitors.He has worked hard to achieve something we can only fantasize about.
Welcome to the site.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Mar 19 2007, 06:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>strong statment for a first post,welcome i will keep an eye out for your posts
Oh no Rog, not another guy that makes sense, what are you going to do buddy?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ssiperko @ Mar 19 2007, 08:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Nope ..... it'll change every week unless the same guy wins several in a row.
Interesting. We have a term for that in the US, not sure if they have it in UK. Its called: "Fair weather fan." or "Bandwagon Fan".

Anyway, that's cool, as long as you give each winner their props and don't go saying the second place guy didn't win because_________enter excuse here.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Mar 19 2007, 08:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>WTF. so you not going to put haystack as your fav if by some piece of "luck" he win's a race are you ?
That I would like to see. Haha, its gonna look funny, Hayden his Favorite. Next to all the hater-posts hes good at writing, eh?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Mar 19 2007, 11:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>WTF. so you not going to put haystack as your fav if by some piece of "luck" he win's a race are you ?
Like I have to worry about such a thing.

The ONLY race he may do that is Laguna.

Race, I really wanted to see how long it would take to be noticed.

Having Hayden as my favorite would get people going WTH though would'nt it.

SS

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mahagga @ Mar 19 2007, 08:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think the 1 has more to do with american tradition that anything else...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Feb 11 2007, 04:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>On the other hand, what I can see is a Cultural and Costumes debate more than other matter. Let me explain, in some cultures your lucky number is of most importance and that is why if you get to be the Champion you prefer to keep it. Now, as I understand other cultures it is kind of disrespectful to be the Champion and not use the number one.

So using it seem ego lactic to some and not using seem ego lactic to others


Just quoting myself from another topic!

I get the feeling alot of you guys and gals dont like Hayden simply because he is American.I guess you have to be a European Prima Donna to be a star in F1 or Gp.I tell you one thing,the world would be a much better place if there were more people like the Hayden Family.Ive said it once and i guess i will say it a hundred more times.NO,he is not Rossi,but he did what no one else could do,not the Spainiard Pedrosa,Not the Italian's,Melandri,Capirossi,not the Australian,Stoner,he WON the title against the best riders in the world when Rossi faltered.Little Nicky Hayseed from nowhere Kentucky is the WORLD CHAMP and will be WORLD CHAMP till at least OCT 2nd 2007.Then he will be former world champ.Just practice saying it,It gets easier.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Mar 19 2007, 09:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I get the feeling alot of you guys and gals dont like Hayden simply because he is American.I guess you have to be a European Prima Donna to be a star in F1 or Gp.
oh please..give me a break 99.9% of american dont even no wtf motogp is, there are other american gp riders to you no,
so your way of thinking is ,europeans are prima donnas and we all should love haystack because hes a yank.
grow up

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Mar 19 2007, 09:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Then he will be former world champ.Just practice saying it,It gets easier.

Me first!!
Former world champ.
Did I get it right?

i don't think nationality matters.
it's because he won less victories, and that you get the feeling he doesn't race to win,like rossi or capi or dani etc

Plus like most American riders, we never see them in anything other than the top class. We don't know who they are and suddenly they appear at the top. Who was the last American 250 world champ? Or 125 for that matter?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Mar 19 2007, 03:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I get the feeling alot of you guys and gals dont like Hayden simply because he is American.I guess you have to be a European Prima Donna to be a star in F1 or Gp.I tell you one thing,the world would be a much better place if there were more people like the Hayden Family.Ive said it once and i guess i will say it a hundred more times.NO,he is not Rossi,but he did what no one else could do,not the Spainiard Pedrosa,Not the Italian's,Melandri,Capirossi,not the Australian,Stoner,he WON the title against the best riders in the world when Rossi faltered.Little Nicky Hayseed from nowhere Kentucky is the WORLD CHAMP and will be WORLD CHAMP till at least OCT 2nd 2007.Then he will be former world champ.Just practice saying it,It gets easier.

I don’t think it has to do with nationality either, King Kenny was great and liked Champion and I am not so sure about Jr. I am not stating or making Roberts Jr. any less, he won in 2000, but I even heard Americans say that with the ‘pointing at the sky’ rule when raining he won his title… Cannot confirm it myself, but reading a bit here and there you hear wonders from King Kenny (and other American Champions) and not as many from Jr. Has nothing to do with Nationality.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Mar 19 2007, 01:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>oh please..give me a break 99.9% of american dont even no wtf motogp is, there are other american gp riders to you no,
so your way of thinking is ,europeans are prima donnas and we all should love haystack because hes a yank.
grow up
You give me a break. You know there were several posts after Hayden won that made issue of his nationality. Yes, I even remember an entire thread dedicated to his "American" style of celebrating. Provol is not defending that many Americans are not aware of GP; he is saying that part of the reason Hayden doesn't get much love may be because some people, among other things, just don't like Americans. Now don't go saying its a bunch of crock, because there is a point there. This may not apply to you Rog oh impartial buddy, but it does certainly apply to some. So perhaps you may need the “growing up” since you may be alittle naive to the prejudices and reality of the world.

(BTW: I’ve noticed a rash of people saying this “grow up thing”. Is it a common saying in the UK? Funny thing is, the people coming up with this are usually the ones needing a bit of maturity themselves.)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Mar 19 2007, 01:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Has nothing to do with Nationality.
Ola V.

Ah but Hayden beat Rossi, and not much liked this, so as children do, they point to a plethora of reasons to take out their frustrations. Let me quote you one that I saw: "Its just the American style of celebrating that ..... me right off!" So even his "American style" celebrating was an issue among the many reasons people have come up and rationalized why he was not a deserving champion. (Which when I read that, begs the question, what exactly was this style that was so different than other celebrations.) Another one I remember was: "Typical American, has to thank God and Jesus, are ‘they’ all required to do this when wining something?" Yes, believe it, I guess judging from this quote, Jesus isn't so popular, eh? (Not that I care, Burky is my Guru As you may have already noticed, as vague as the reasons are like people saying Hayden just didn't give them nice "feelings" or as subjective as "he wasn’t "exciting." You could run the gamete of reason; you would think that Hayden committed some crime when he won the championship. Like Rog and a few other said, that was 06 perhaps it time to move on; but people still not letting it go or accepting it. You can see this from the posts and threads they are coming up with still (like this very thread), reasons to talk .... about his leathers, helmet, and sporting the number 1 plate, etc, etc. It’s rather obvious to me, a bit pathetic, but not so obvious to those under the glare of Rossie colored glasses.

I never said you had to love him because he is a Yank.Childish reason to dislike him though.Its like every thing is cool as long as the American knows his place in Gp but let him get out of line and win and Holy ....,the excuses start flowing like lava and the sarcastic digs come from every angle.The Gp title is not a European birth right even though 2 countries have dominated it.Great Britain dominated it years ago and has the most titles but nothing in the last 30 years.Italy has the second most titles and hadnt done much till Rossi in the last 30 years.Now comes the silly wannabe Americans,you know the country that dont know .... about Gp,They have 14 titles in the last 30 years,more than any country by a long shot.Just imagine what they could do if Gp was taken seriously in the US.