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Why Rossi pressed the red button
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Toby Moody explains why Ducati signing Rossi is seismic for MotoGP and investigates whether the great Italian still has a trick or two up his sleeve
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Finally… we can get on with the rest of grand prix motorcycling history now we know officially that Valentino Rossi is riding a red, loud, fire-breathing Ducati MotoGP bike for 2011 and 2012.



One's head can finally conjure up imagery that we've always wanted and one that Italy will go into melt down for. For motorcycle racing, it just doesn't get any better. For bike people it is up there with The Pope winning at Monza in a Ferrari.



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Valentino Rossi announcing his Ducati deal © LAT Seriously though, British designer Alan Jenkins – who does much of the aerodynamic work for Ducati – did make me realise what it's going to be like when I spoke to him about it the other day: "We've been going to the same wind tunnel in Italy for some time now, and it involves us staying in this hotel nearby. So we all meet for breakfast and although I'm in a white shirt, some of the Ducati guys have got their red MotoGP shirts on, but in recent weeks people have been coming up to us while we're eating breakfast, badgering us to know if Valentino is going to ride a Ducati.



"One day we got in the car to the tunnel and stopped at some lights only for someone walking down the street to see the guys' red Ducati shirts in the car. He came over and knocked on the window saying, 'Rossi. Ducati, Si?' with his thumbs up. This is stuff just happening in the street. It's massive."



So now we know it's really going to happen, why the move? Is the major reason because current Rossi's current Yamaha team-mate Lorenzo is quick – too quick - and a threat to making the #46 fade into the middle field? Or is it that Yamaha couldn't offer Rossi any more money, with rumours even of a pay cut to try and top up the larger amount that Lorenzo would need for winning the 2010 world championship?



Or is it that he always wanted to try out a Ducati just as everyone wants to drive a Ferrari in F1. It's in the script then that a very native Italian should ride a red Ducati. As President of Ducati, Gabriele Del Torchio said: "Near Bologna (Ducati) we have Ferrari, Maserati and Pagani. We are very passionate."



It's like a Yamaha France-run Gauloises Yamaha being ridden by Christian Sarron or JPS Nortons ridden by Trevor Nation, Ron Haslam and Terry Rymer, let alone an Italian in a Ferrari F1 car. Hell, the last near-Italian winner in one of those was Jean Alesi in 1995, while the last full-blooded Italian winner was Michele Alboreto in 1985.



Was the Rossi Ducati all put into place a while ago after talk of Ferrari running Valentino in an F1 car, when he was riding for Yamaha, six years ago? Only this spring Luca di Montezemolo mentioned his name during an interview with Martin Brundle on the BBC. It was a very precise name drop.



From a marketing point of view, Yamaha is of course disappointed, but it cannot bank roll something it cannot afford. Speaking to a high-up Yamaha MotoGP person about Rossi leaving, we discussed the loss of the rider that not only turned the company's MotoGP results around but also its image with stock bikes and the R1.



He said that he was disappointed that Rossi was leaving after seven years, but aware that just like Agostini had a relationship with Yamaha, he is still perceived as an MV Augusta rider. "The same is true of Eddie Lawson as he was a Yamaha rider at his height, and although he rode for Honda and Cagiva, he is a Yamaha man today. Maybe…" He stopped himself.



The exact same thing is true in the mind's eye of four-wheeled fans with Ayrton Senna being a McLaren driver, Michael Schumacher being a Ferrari driver, and Tommi Makinen being a Mitsubishi rally driver. People remember them in those cars.



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Rossi is ending a seven-year relationship with Yamaha © LAT One thing that will be the lynchpin to all of this from a technical side will be Jerry Burgess and the crew that have tended to Rossi's every need since the start of 2000. That's eleven seasons of everyone knowing who does what, when and how with a nod a wink and a look when under pressure. It works.



Seven-times a world championship it works, so whatever Ducati should do is to get the whole shooting match over from Yamaha. Burgess is the man who can translate what goes on to the factory guys. However, Rossi has already said, "I always speak with [Ducati general manager] Filippo Preziosi, and I see in him the similar behavior that I saw in Furusawa in 2004."



And by all accounts I hear that there are sponsors kicking down the door wanting to be associated with one of the most charismatic sportsman of this era. Besides, "We will put all the money that is necessary for it to be successful," said del Torchio an hour after the announcement on Sunday.



With the money that Yamaha save in not paying Rossi, it could chuck that at Burgess and the crew to engineer Spies. Now that would throw up a curve ball that would keep a smile on the faces of the Yamaha guys wouldn't it?



But the amount of merchandising that Ducati is about to sell is going to be stratospheric. They'd better start making the caps now for Christmas because there is going to be an awful lot that need to be embroidered!



For Rossi, is this a move too far?



He announced to the world in November 2003 that he was leaving Honda in a packed press conference in Valencia. He sat down and told everyone face-to-face rather than through an email and a hand written photocopy – he even posed on his Honda V5 one last time with a rucksack on.



The move from Honda to Yamaha when the 990cc bikes were able to be turned into winners even if one of the major set-up parameters wasn't quite 'bob on' when the lights went out. Nowadays you can't get away with that and it takes a very skilled rider to thread through all the scenarios in limited practice to get a race set-up.



Arguably, Rossi only won the opening race of the year because the dead cert for the race, Casey Stoner, fell off, and Jorge Lorenzo had such a badly injured hand that he couldn't shake hands, let alone think about using it to hold onto a 240bhp motorcycle.



The #46 bike then didn't get close to Lorenzo's electrifying pace at Jerez, nor Le Mans. Admittedly, Valentino was riding with a right shoulder injury that he'd picked up moto-crossing, but the points table waits for no-one.



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Rossi will be in red in 2011 © LAT What may be difficult for Rossi to get used to is a much smaller factory with very different working practices from a Japanese factory with whom he has been working for. Indeed, by the time he sorts the Ducati to his liking, might Lorenzo be faster because the Spaniard has been on the same bike for three solid years, getting three or four wins on the board before mid-June 2011?



Will Honda finally get their act together with Pedrosa and the incoming Stoner? Will the ultra-clean cut corporate way of Marlboro cramp Valentino's to-the-core bohemian way? These are all questions that people are asking.



But actually all of the above will matter little because it's Valentino Rossi we're talking about here.



This is massive.



http://www.autosport.com/features/article.php/id/2990
 
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At last and now we can get on with 2010 (boring as it is) and hope for a much more interesting 2011.

No more what if's.

Rossi in Red

Get healthy and back to winning

2010 - he'll be left out in the cold now by Yamaha

Needs to take more care of himself off the MotoGP track

Horegay is FAST

Can he stay that way -

Can he develop the M1 and the next generation

How will Spies do - he's looking really good, but is lacking finishing strength

Will Stacy go back to falling off the Honda

Can Pedro stay on the bike

Where's Dovi going

How do we get 20 or more competitive bikes on the grid
 
Why Rossi pressed the red button
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Toby Moody explains why Ducati signing Rossi is seismic for MotoGP and investigates whether the great Italian still has a trick or two up his sleeve
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Finally… we can get on with the rest of grand prix motorcycling history now we know officially that Valentino Rossi is riding a red, loud, fire-breathing Ducati MotoGP bike for 2011 and 2012.



One's head can finally conjure up imagery that we've always wanted and one that Italy will go into melt down for. For motorcycle racing, it just doesn't get any better. For bike people it is up there with The Pope winning at Monza in a Ferrari.



1282058875.jpg
Valentino Rossi announcing his Ducati deal © LAT Seriously though, British designer Alan Jenkins – who does much of the aerodynamic work for Ducati – did make me realise what it's going to be like when I spoke to him about it the other day: "We've been going to the same wind tunnel in Italy for some time now, and it involves us staying in this hotel nearby. So we all meet for breakfast and although I'm in a white shirt, some of the Ducati guys have got their red MotoGP shirts on, but in recent weeks people have been coming up to us while we're eating breakfast, badgering us to know if Valentino is going to ride a Ducati.



"One day we got in the car to the tunnel and stopped at some lights only for someone walking down the street to see the guys' red Ducati shirts in the car. He came over and knocked on the window saying, 'Rossi. Ducati, Si?' with his thumbs up. This is stuff just happening in the street. It's massive."



So now we know it's really going to happen, why the move? Is the major reason because current Rossi's current Yamaha team-mate Lorenzo is quick – too quick - and a threat to making the #46 fade into the middle field? Or is it that Yamaha couldn't offer Rossi any more money, with rumours even of a pay cut to try and top up the larger amount that Lorenzo would need for winning the 2010 world championship?



Or is it that he always wanted to try out a Ducati just as everyone wants to drive a Ferrari in F1. It's in the script then that a very native Italian should ride a red Ducati. As President of Ducati, Gabriele Del Torchio said: "Near Bologna (Ducati) we have Ferrari, Maserati and Pagani. We are very passionate."



It's like a Yamaha France-run Gauloises Yamaha being ridden by Christian Sarron or JPS Nortons ridden by Trevor Nation, Ron Haslam and Terry Rymer, let alone an Italian in a Ferrari F1 car. Hell, the last near-Italian winner in one of those was Jean Alesi in 1995, while the last full-blooded Italian winner was Michele Alboreto in 1985.



Was the Rossi Ducati all put into place a while ago after talk of Ferrari running Valentino in an F1 car, when he was riding for Yamaha, six years ago? Only this spring Luca di Montezemolo mentioned his name during an interview with Martin Brundle on the BBC. It was a very precise name drop.



From a marketing point of view, Yamaha is of course disappointed, but it cannot bank roll something it cannot afford. Speaking to a high-up Yamaha MotoGP person about Rossi leaving, we discussed the loss of the rider that not only turned the company's MotoGP results around but also its image with stock bikes and the R1.



He said that he was disappointed that Rossi was leaving after seven years, but aware that just like Agostini had a relationship with Yamaha, he is still perceived as an MV Augusta rider. "The same is true of Eddie Lawson as he was a Yamaha rider at his height, and although he rode for Honda and Cagiva, he is a Yamaha man today. Maybe…" He stopped himself.



The exact same thing is true in the mind's eye of four-wheeled fans with Ayrton Senna being a McLaren driver, Michael Schumacher being a Ferrari driver, and Tommi Makinen being a Mitsubishi rally driver. People remember them in those cars.



1282058960.jpg
Rossi is ending a seven-year relationship with Yamaha © LAT One thing that will be the lynchpin to all of this from a technical side will be Jerry Burgess and the crew that have tended to Rossi's every need since the start of 2000. That's eleven seasons of everyone knowing who does what, when and how with a nod a wink and a look when under pressure. It works.



Seven-times a world championship it works, so whatever Ducati should do is to get the whole shooting match over from Yamaha. Burgess is the man who can translate what goes on to the factory guys. However, Rossi has already said, "I always speak with [Ducati general manager] Filippo Preziosi, and I see in him the similar behavior that I saw in Furusawa in 2004."



And by all accounts I hear that there are sponsors kicking down the door wanting to be associated with one of the most charismatic sportsman of this era. Besides, "We will put all the money that is necessary for it to be successful," said del Torchio an hour after the announcement on Sunday.



With the money that Yamaha save in not paying Rossi, it could chuck that at Burgess and the crew to engineer Spies. Now that would throw up a curve ball that would keep a smile on the faces of the Yamaha guys wouldn't it?



But the amount of merchandising that Ducati is about to sell is going to be stratospheric. They'd better start making the caps now for Christmas because there is going to be an awful lot that need to be embroidered!



For Rossi, is this a move too far?



He announced to the world in November 2003 that he was leaving Honda in a packed press conference in Valencia. He sat down and told everyone face-to-face rather than through an email and a hand written photocopy – he even posed on his Honda V5 one last time with a rucksack on.



The move from Honda to Yamaha when the 990cc bikes were able to be turned into winners even if one of the major set-up parameters wasn't quite 'bob on' when the lights went out. Nowadays you can't get away with that and it takes a very skilled rider to thread through all the scenarios in limited practice to get a race set-up.



Arguably, Rossi only won the opening race of the year because the dead cert for the race, Casey Stoner, fell off, and Jorge Lorenzo had such a badly injured hand that he couldn't shake hands, let alone think about using it to hold onto a 240bhp motorcycle.



The #46 bike then didn't get close to Lorenzo's electrifying pace at Jerez, nor Le Mans. Admittedly, Valentino was riding with a right shoulder injury that he'd picked up moto-crossing, but the points table waits for no-one.



1282059080.jpg
Rossi will be in red in 2011 © LAT What may be difficult for Rossi to get used to is a much smaller factory with very different working practices from a Japanese factory with whom he has been working for. Indeed, by the time he sorts the Ducati to his liking, might Lorenzo be faster because the Spaniard has been on the same bike for three solid years, getting three or four wins on the board before mid-June 2011?



Will Honda finally get their act together with Pedrosa and the incoming Stoner? Will the ultra-clean cut corporate way of Marlboro cramp Valentino's to-the-core bohemian way? These are all questions that people are asking.



But actually all of the above will matter little because it's Valentino Rossi we're talking about here.



This is massive.



http://www.autosport.com/features/article.php/id/2990

Is Toby fishing as well goatboy. Its a question that begs to be answered. Is Rossi running away from a stronger teammate. One he tried to banish and failed, one he built a wall against, one he said was getting all the benefits of his hard work. It has to be humbling to make a power play and have it blow up in your face, but nowhere near as humbling as a guy kicking your ..., on your bike.
 
Is Toby fishing as well goatboy. Its a question that begs to be answered. Is Rossi running away from a stronger teammate. One he tried to banish and failed, one he built a wall against, one he said was getting all the benefits of his hard work. It has to be humbling to make a power play and have it blow up in your face, but nowhere near as humbling as a guy kicking your ..., on your bike.



Back when Horegay had the injuries I seem to remember him coming in well beheind Rossi. Now it's the other way round - Rossi - seriously damaged his shoulder at start of season - his own fault, but still damaged and then he broke his leg - Yup Horegay is beating him on his own bike, but you must admit the physical odds are just a bit against Rossi. It's a big question of - even when he is physically 100% - if Yamaha will give him anything like equal treatment for the rest of this season. They won't - and it's even understandable, but still amounts to stacking the odds against him. We'll start to see the odds levelling in 2011 and latest when Machoman has to develop his own bike.
 
Is Toby fishing as well goatboy. Its a question that begs to be answered. Is Rossi running away from a stronger teammate. One he tried to banish and failed, one he built a wall against, one he said was getting all the benefits of his hard work. It has to be humbling to make a power play and have it blow up in your face, but nowhere near as humbling as a guy kicking your ..., on your bike.



One he beat well for the past two seasons............Stronger teammate? Running away? Surely its more challenging to try to beat Jorge on the Duck which VR has even ridden and is mostly unpredictable?? Running away would be more like retiring or going to 4 wheels-No?



So much as you would enjoy seeing VR humbled, hater that you are, he hasn't been at all. For as much as people like you hate to face it, Jorge is but a Kitten pawing the king of the jungle
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(Bop Bop Bop...oh I can't wait for the reaction to this one!!) VR's record stands-and until Jorge or Stoner or Dani matches or beats it, its ridiculous-and borderline hate fueled insanity, to imply that any of the current crop are humbling VR
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And the PR power is now firmly back in VR's hands, and it hasn't ever been removed anyway, with his announcement of the Ducati move absolutely overwhelming any talk of Lorenzos race win at Brno, yet again as hard as Jorge tries he can't match VR at present. And most are now seriously questioning Yamaha's support of VR and his surprising lack of pace on track?? And Rossi is adding fuel to this........no matter how you look at it and whether there's truth to it or not, this all is creating a large grey cloud over Jorges potential title win -as with Stoners in 2007-Jorge is whipping everyone by a long way, and as we know hes not that much better of a rider than the other Aliens. No doubt this will be very frustrating for JL-as it was for Stoner, how Jorge deals with it will be interesting. Jorge's development abilities have yet to be proved and with his current dominant performances over the entire field-the pressure will be on next year to do it again-as it was with Stoner in 2008, as it was with Rossi in 2006, and Jorge will not only have VR, Stoner on the Honda but also Spies to deal in his garage with who has the ability to beat him regularly.........
 
first off, i would have to say that beating someone head to head is more humbling than beating their records long after they retire. second, i think we are getting a bit ahead of ourselves by saying Spies has the ability to beat Lorenzo regularly.
 
first off, i would have to say that beating someone head to head is more humbling than beating their records long after they retire. second, i think we are getting a bit ahead of ourselves by saying Spies has the ability to beat Lorenzo regularly.



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this all is creating a large grey cloud over Jorges potential title win



The rest of your post was absolute incoherent blubbering, nothing unusual for you as I figured yes you are young ( 15,16? ..... and you where telling me of JB's career
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In your face everyone!! We have the Bopper of all time right here in Aust.!!! TALPA!!!
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Lorenzo is putting together what looks to becoming the most dominant season of all time and you are trying the ole " there is a cloud over it" routine already !!
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Utter fruitcake
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bring on the 1000s
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Don't you have "slowmo" on your HDD Curve? Just turn the replay notch down a bit for a while and you will get used to the 800's.
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Must admit I'm looking forward to the whole 1000cc secondary team bikes, though I suspect they will be a flop. It will end up like two races in one, but the numbers of bikes on track at any one time will be up
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The rest of your post was absolute incoherent blubbering, nothing unusual for you as I figured yes you are young ( 15,16? ..... and you where telling me of JB's career
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even though you were only born half way through it
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) ...... but this bit ....... I'd say is a world first!! I know you hate parochialism ..... but I just want to claim you for Australia!!



In your face everyone!! We have the Bopper of all time right here in Aust.!!! TALPA!!!
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Lorenzo is putting together what looks to becoming the most dominant season of all time and you are trying the ole " there is a cloud over it" routine already !!
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Utter fruitcake
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It was Inevitable, i said last week that in the last decade, no one has won a championship, Rossi just lost them. Its a mindset that knows no bounds. The bops that were digging in for the second half championship have now realized that Jorge is the dominant rider, and are crayfishing with the crazy talk about Rossi not being on a factory bike. For those who are counting



JLo--70

Rossi 40



When does this thing officially start anyway
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A little off topic...When I think of Lawson, I think of Kawasaki.
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His multi-team perambulations don't seem to have affected yamaha's attitude to him though, since going by laguna seca 2010 they at least would seem to regard him as a yamaha guy.



I am not really familiar with his pre-motogp career but I gather he was the only one who could ride the said kawasaki so it is reasonable to think of him as a kawasaki guy
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One he beat well for the past two seasons............Stronger teammate? Running away? Surely its more challenging to try to beat Jorge on the Duck which VR has even ridden and is mostly unpredictable?? Running away would be more like retiring or going to 4 wheels-No?



So much as you would enjoy seeing VR humbled, hater that you are, he hasn't been at all. For as much as people like you hate to face it, Jorge is but a Kitten pawing the king of the jungle
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(Bop Bop Bop...oh I can't wait for the reaction to this one!!) VR's record stands-and until Jorge or Stoner or Dani matches or beats it, its ridiculous-and borderline hate fueled insanity, to imply that any of the current crop are humbling VR
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And the PR power is now firmly back in VR's hands, and it hasn't ever been removed anyway, with his announcement of the Ducati move absolutely overwhelming any talk of Lorenzos race win at Brno, yet again as hard as Jorge tries he can't match VR at present. And most are now seriously questioning Yamaha's support of VR and his surprising lack of pace on track?? And Rossi is adding fuel to this........no matter how you look at it and whether there's truth to it or not, this all is creating a large grey cloud over Jorges potential title win -as with Stoners in 2007-Jorge is whipping everyone by a long way, and as we know hes not that much better of a rider than the other Aliens. No doubt this will be very frustrating for JL-as it was for Stoner, how Jorge deals with it will be interesting. Jorge's development abilities have yet to be proved and with his current dominant performances over the entire field-the pressure will be on next year to do it again-as it was with Stoner in 2008, as it was with Rossi in 2006, and Jorge will not only have VR, Stoner on the Honda but also Spies to deal in his garage with who has the ability to beat him regularly.........

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His multi-team perambulations don't seem to have affected yamaha's attitude to him though, since going by laguna seca 2010 they at least would seem to regard him as a yamaha guy.



I am not really familiar with his pre-motogp career but I gather he was the only one who could ride the said kawasaki so it is reasonable to think of him as a kawasaki guy
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Scott Russell did very well with the Kawasaki in WSBK....took the title in 1993 and second in 1994
 
It was Inevitable, i said last week that in the last decade, no one has won a championship, Rossi just lost them. Its a mindset that knows no bounds. The bops that were digging in for the second half championship have now realized that Jorge is the dominant rider, and are crayfishing with the crazy talk about Rossi not being on a factory bike. For those who are counting



JLo--70

Rossi 40



When does this thing officially start anyway
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What did you expect with moronic statements like yours....?



And the rest is just the rise I was expecting from the usual dribblers.........
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Whiel I agree that Rossi is the GOAT, what annoys me about Rossi boppers who call themselves 'MotoGP fans' firstly get pissed off if he isn't the one who wins every race (how you can call yourself a fan of the sport if you just want one man to win every event of the season is beyond me) and secondly, seem to have a total inability to accept that fact that as good as he is, Valentino Rossi is human. He DOES make mistakes and he CAN and WILL eventually get beaten by the new generation, thats a fact of life. I'm not saying his career is over, but give some credit where its due to people who do beat him.



The Rossi of old used to take his agression or issues out on the track, such as after Qatar 04 he never let Sete win another race, and he whooped Biaggi after their big falling out. Also if you look back, when has he ever had a team-mate as strong as Lorenzo? Right through from Okawa, Hayden, Abe, Edwards...all were either rookies, or experienced 'number two's' but over the last few years instead of getting things done on the track against people has seemed to moan more and use his influence to get things changed his way. That said, I hope he does well on the Duke and can develop it along with Hayden.



Interesting comments from Lorenzo (ww.autosport.com)



Lorenzo: Yamaha eager to beat Rossi

By Ben Kelly and Michele Lostia Wednesday, August 18th 2010, 11:01 GMT





Jorge Lorenzo says Valentino Rossi's move to Ducati gives him and Yamaha "great motivation" to beat his current team-mate in 2011.



Rossi has signed a two-year deal with the Italian manufacturer and Lorenzo is eager to show that he can defeat the seven-time MotoGP world champion.



"Yamaha will do its maximum to beat him; more speed and engine power will be needed but we will work harder than ever," said Lorenzo. "Next season will be a very interesting championship."



The Spaniard has shared a difficult relationship with Rossi as team-mates, with a wall separating the riders in the Yamaha garage.



"I didn't like the wall," Lorenzo said. "I would have expected more of Rossi from the human side, rather than a bigger exchange of technical information. He unintentionally made me a favour, however, because he has made my team even closer together, and I now go even better since I don't have access to his telemetry.



"I've never felt nervous about the idea of fighting against Rossi. I knew I had to learn, improve and work hard. I've watched the races on TV since I was 10 and have learnt something from riders in every class. From Valentino I've learnt how to manage the race on and off the track much better."



Rossi will be replaced at the factory Yamaha team by current Tech 3 rider Ben Spies next year, and Lorenzo predicts that his relationship with the American will be less volatile.



"I can feel we will have a good relationship with Ben," he said. "Perhaps we won't be best friends, but there won't be a wall in the garage and we won't keep our telemetries secret."
 
No he is not because he is not using provocative language, his article is stated in an adult way.

He gets paid not to piss off Rossi fans, i dont, so i get to speak the truth without retribution. He is saying the same thing, just doesnt want the bops diving out of windows like upset soccer fans. Have any of you thought about what your going to do when he is gone. Are you quitting cold turkey or doing a 12 step program
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