Why Pedrosa dumped Dainese

haha imagine if puig decided that red bull didn't taste as good as monster or relentless.

the reason for the switch was puig thought dani's ... looked better in the Alpine stars.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Mar 15 2009, 10:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Whilst watching Eurosport coverage of WSB yesterday, Tony Carter hosted a phone in session from both JT and Toby Moody. When asked to speculate upon the likely title protagonists for this seasons Moto GP the topic got on to Pedrosa and his fitness. The knee inujry is a aggravation of an old one picked up at Malaysia which I knew. I remember Dani sitting on a stool on the grid prior to the start of the race at Sepang in 06, which as I recall Vale later mocked by taking a chair up onto the rostrum an proceeded to sit on it with Loris on his lap. (He denied when questioned that this was of any significance )

What Toby went on to say, that I didn't know, harks back to an earlier post in which someone was querying why Pedrosa had switched to Alpine Stars two years ago. Apparently - what a surprise -it was at the insistence of Puig, who blamed Dainese for the injury. The guy clipped a serrated curb edge at nearly 100mph and dug in his slider at the wrong angle, - of course it's going to do some damage to rider and leathers alike. Again, this illustrates the level of control and subservience that is exerted upon the hapless puppet by his supposed 'mentor/manager'. He should cut his strings immediately. Can you imagine Jorge similarly ditching Dianese just because Danny Amatrian told him to, or Tom Luthi likewise just because his riding coach Andy Ibbot said so, or Vale stashing millions under the floorboards just because Gibo Badioli.....oh, er, never mind about that one.

Moving swiftly on, irrespective of the brand and quality of leathers availed to the rider at this level, what happened to Pedrosa in Malaysia during practice that year was a freak incident, from which no amount of protection could have shielded him from.

He also binned Nolan and switched to Arai in the process, more likely for a more lucrative deal than the, IMO, obvious superiority of the helmets. It's a shame its too late to similarly casually discard his evil svengali like an old pair of unwanted leathers - he has a lot more to answer for
NOw that is just out there. Puig actually has the balls or really stupid ego to blame a suit company for injuries. Well go figure. THat just has to take the cake. I cannot get how this dude carries any weight in the sport other than he is spanish and they will do anything to get a title. I am sure they could do better than Puig and Pedrosa and the circus they have become.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Mar 15 2009, 02:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>NOw that is just out there. Puig actually has the balls or really stupid ego to blame a suit company for injuries. Well go figure. THat just has to take the cake. I cannot get how this dude carries any weight in the sport other than he is spanish and they will do anything to get a title. I am sure they could do better than Puig and Pedrosa and the circus they have become.
shouldnt be such a surprise, he blamed hayden for estoril 06 up until late last year...
shows how he looks everywhere else for blame except his pre-pubescent puppet-toy...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Mar 15 2009, 07:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>the reason for the switch was puig thought dani's ... looked better in the Alpine stars.

I think blaming Dainese is ludicrous but if you blame injury on the knee sliders, the move makes sense.

From what I have seen, the main difference between Dainese and Alpinstars is the knee slider. Sliders on Dainese leathers are flexible and easily removed. Alpinestars sliders are integrated into the design of the leathers. It takes a small army and a box of tools to switch Alpinestars sliders.

I think the best evidence was at PI. Rossi chucked his knee sliders, Hayden opted to throw in his boots because he couldn't pull the knee sliders off.

Blaming Dainese is laughable, imo, but at least they attempted to make a decision that affected Pedrosa's health. Every other decision is made to put money in Puig's pocket.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Mar 15 2009, 09:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>NOw that is just out there. Puig actually has the balls or really stupid ego to blame a suit company for injuries. Well go figure. THat just has to take the cake. I cannot get how this dude carries any weight in the sport other than he is spanish and they will do anything to get a title. I am sure they could do better than Puig and Pedrosa and the circus they have become.
He has strong ties to Repsol and he's good at scouting young talent. He's a ...... bag, no doubt, but if you were Honda and he was feeding you riders like Pedrosa and the promise of more like him on the way, would you put up with it? I probably would. At least until the end of this season when his golden boy comes up empty handed again.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Mar 15 2009, 12:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>the reason for the switch was puig thought dani's ... looked better in the Alpine stars.




maybe puig see's alpine stars everytime he looks at dani's ...

^

I heard it was because Dainese dropped theyre children's department

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Mar 15 2009, 03:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Again, this illustrates the level of control and subservience that is exerted upon the hapless puppet by his supposed 'mentor/manager'. He should cut his strings immediately.

Does anybody here know at what age Puig plucked Peders? I'd be interested to know since a small man like Peders probably has issues dealing with his freak size and talent, but youth can also play a factor in his impressions. In the science of animal behavior, we use a term call "imprinting". Its basically a behavior in animals who mimic the first adult creatures they come in contact with at the early stage of their lives, the idea is that they must mimic them for survival. (For example, if you happen to be the first animal a baby duck sees when it hatches, it will actually follow you as if you were its mother, no ...., check it out). Anyway, enough with the science lesson, I'd say if Peders was plucked at a very young age by Puig, then he's probably not gonna want to extricate this influence from his life. One, I don't think he can, and two, I don't think he sees any problem with the influence that is Alberto Puig.

Why do people even talk about him? He is the most overrated rider in racing history. Comes into the top class with one of the top teams with a great resume in the lower classes, but even with winning almost 50% of his 250cc races in 2004 and 2005 on his way to two World Championships, was in a place that really still not did place him in a class of his own. Or at least to the level that Rossi or Biaggi had brought themselves too. Almost immediately, the team he runs for, puts all their eggs in one basket with, effectively killing any chances of any sat teams from being able to compete, and in now 3 seasons (injuries null), has only 6 wins in 52 starts, and zero championships. And in the process of Honda trying to help their piece of garbage from looking like a fool, they have allowed the sat teams to suffer, which costs Honda wins, and possible shots at the title (Outside of Gibernau in 2003 to 2005, and Melandri in 2006, no other Honda sat rider has finished in the top 5 in the championship), and have given those to the lesser valued at the time, Casey Stoner. They gave Rossi another shot to land another humiliating blow to his former team.

He is a failed version of what Lewis Hamilton is. A racer who has a large father figure (Anthony Hamilton and Alberto Puig) who drove their career, and support by a manufacturer, along with a great junior level resume.

Lewis has a WDC's in his second year, whereas Dani has zero coming into his fourth season.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Mar 16 2009, 06:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Does anybody here know at what age Puig plucked Peders? I'd be interested to know since a small man like Peders probably has issues dealing with his freak size and talent, but youth can also play a factor in his impressions. In the science of animal behavior, we use a term call "imprinting". Its basically a behavior in animals who mimic the first adult creatures they come in contact with at the early stage of their lives, the idea is that they must mimic them for survival. (For example, if you happen to be the first animal a baby duck sees when it hatches, it will actually follow you as if you were its mother, no ...., check it out). Anyway, enough with the science lesson, I'd say if Peders was plucked at a very young age by Puig, then he's probably not gonna want to extricate this influence from his life. One, I don't think he can, and two, I don't think he sees any problem with the influence that is Alberto Puig.

I think they met from the Red Bull Junior Program that Puig was the head of (and still could be).

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hayden Fan @ Mar 17 2009, 04:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Why do people even talk about him? He is the most overrated rider in racing history. Comes into the top class with one of the top teams with a great resume in the lower classes, but even with winning almost 50% of his 250cc races in 2004 and 2005 on his way to two World Championships, was in a place that really still not did place him in a class of his own. Or at least to the level that Rossi or Biaggi had brought themselves too. Almost immediately, the team he runs for, puts all their eggs in one basket with, effectively killing any chances of any sat teams from being able to compete, and in now 3 seasons (injuries null), has only 6 wins in 52 starts, and zero championships. And in the process of Honda trying to help their piece of garbage from looking like a fool, they have allowed the sat teams to suffer, which costs Honda wins, and possible shots at the title (Outside of Gibernau in 2003 to 2005, and Melandri in 2006, no other Honda sat rider has finished in the top 5 in the championship), and have given those to the lesser valued at the time, Casey Stoner. They gave Rossi another shot to land another humiliating blow to his former team.

He is a failed version of what Lewis Hamilton is. A racer who has a large father figure (Anthony Hamilton and Alberto Puig) who drove their career, and support by a manufacturer, along with a great junior level resume.

Lewis has a WDC's in his second year, whereas Dani has zero coming into his fourth season.
love him or loath him i dont think you can really call him over rated !
3 world championships in the lower classes . A 5th in 06. A 2nd in 07 and A 3rd in 08. You make it sound like he is a midpacker whos getting paid a fortune. Unlike hopper dani does fight up front so over rated he is not imo.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Mar 15 2009, 03:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>From what I have seen, the main difference between Dainese and Alpinstars is the knee slider. Sliders on Dainese leathers are flexible and easily removed. Alpinestars sliders are integrated into the design of the leathers. It takes a small army and a box of tools to switch Alpinestars sliders.

I think the best evidence was at PI. Rossi chucked his knee sliders, Hayden opted to throw in his boots because he couldn't pull the knee sliders off.
In my experience, knee sliders are tough to remove and I think they should be when you consider what they're meant for. The sliders on my Frank Thomas two-piece and Joe Rocket one-piece are difficult to remove and are not something you want to leave until the last minute if you decided to change them.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hayden Fan @ Mar 17 2009, 04:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Why do people even talk about him?

Because like him or not he is clearly one of the best riders in the world. I agree to date he hasn't achieved the ultimately high levels of success that were expected but despite all the effort that goes on round here to belitle world champions, it is actually an incredible feat. I don't think many people actually think Dani is as good as Rossi or Stoner, so in that sense i don't think he is overrated............yet

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hayden Fan @ Mar 17 2009, 04:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think they met from the Red Bull Junior Program that Puig was the head of (and still could be).

It was the Honda movistar cup in those days, but yes i think he was hand selected from that, despite not winning it i believe.

I thought it was because Dainese wouldn't fit the rear "easy access" zip that Puig requested.