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Well I think that was Kropo's not so subliminal message (intended or unintended). Its that or retire.
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That's the part I don't agree with, any ....... thing could happen. Any crazy wildness is feasible with this much money at stake. I just think the only sensible option is to keep his ... planted on the red.
 
"...and [font=verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif]over the past 18 months, his detractors have become even more tiresome than his fans ever were." [/font]

[font=verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif]([/font][font=verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif]David Emmett on Tue, 2012-04-17 15:43, MotoMatters)[/font]



Nice line...
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Now, more seriously, there is one option that might have been overlooked in that (lucid and exhaustive) article: CRT (or, better, Aprilia). We are all looking at CRTs with a condescending smile now, but with a rev limit of 15,000, all the rest remaining the same (24 liters, 12 engines) a CRT team with strong factory support by Aprilia could become suddenly competitive against those castrated prototypes.



Actually, that rev limit would be the great equalizer: sophisticated electronics would count much less with torquey 1000cc prototypes limited to 15k rpm... Close battles would be de facto guaranteed, a la Moto2, and in those scraps an old racer like Rossi could shine again, even in his decline. Whatever the bike, one could almost say...
 
That's the part I don't agree with, any ....... thing could happen. Any crazy wildness is feasible with this much money at stake. I just think the only sensible option is to keep his ... planted on the red.



In these days of economic downturn, there is no longer "this much money" floating around. As can be seen with Ducati, it is possibly suicide to invest in legends and myths for great amounts of money.



Yamaha and Honda are less likely to be "dazzled" by legends and myths than Ducati were, and they would have riders queued up to take a ride. Ducati may not.
 
Yeah the third option, get him the best CRT money can buy & knobble the factories through the rules to make it competitive.
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"...and [font=verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif]over the past 18 months, his detractors have become even more tiresome than his fans ever were." [/font]

[font=verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif]([/font][font=verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif]David Emmett on Tue, 2012-04-17 15:43, MotoMatters)[/font]



Nice line...
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Now, more seriously, there is one option that might have been overlooked in that (lucid and exhaustive) article: CRT. We are all looking at CRTs with a condescending smile now, but with a rev limit of 15,000, all the rest remaining the same (24 liters, 12 engines) a CRT like Aprilia could become suddenly competitive against those castrated prototypes.



Actually, that rev limit would be the great equalizer: sophisticated electronics would count much less with torquey 1000cc prototypes limited to 15k rpm... Close battles would be de facto guaranteed, a la Moto2, and in those scraps an old racer like Rossi could shine again, even in his decline. Whatever the bike, one could almost say...



Absolutely, And this line from Kropo needs to be placed in capitals and bold..........And I note, personally whilst I was reading the line I had the thought of how some would object to it in the comment section underneath moreso than anything else in the article......and BINGO!



It was a good article David, well done. However I also subscribe to the fact that Money talks, and Yamaha are still yet to find a title sponsor to help pay for all of that tech, which we know must be costing a mint at present. Jarvis and the boys may not like it, but they are just employees.....one would have to be a little naive to think that the big boys in Japan really care about what Jorge and Stoner think about having Rossi as a teammate. Nor would they care if Rossi upset the apple cart in races, I would hazard a guess to say that this is what they all would want........and as with 2009-potentially 2010 without injury, the absolute dominance Yamaha inflicted over the all of the competition due to the fact that they had the two top riders going at it each week-put them way ahead in the title standings anyway, and created the type of brilliant racing we haven't seen since........Motegi 2010 is a prime example, who won that one again? I can't remember as the world was fixated on the battle for third........



Almost all punters that I know thought that Rossi's move to Ducati was a huge mistake at the time, myself included, we were right..........In saying this, being the master scriptwriter that he is, Rossi may still have the most fitting plot twist yet to come, and that would be winning on the Ducati
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"...and [font=verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif]over the past 18 months, his detractors have become even more tiresome than his fans ever were." [/font]

[font=verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif]([/font][font=verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif]David Emmett on Tue, 2012-04-17 15:43, MotoMatters)[/font]



Nice line...
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And yet the motomatters article is a summation of what "the detractors" had been saying. Though they are labelled "the detractors"
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...... as I suspect Mr Emmet is by "the Yellow community"
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And yet the motomatters article is a summation of what "the detractors" had been saying. Though they are labelled "the detractors"
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...... as I suspect Mr Emmet is by "the Yellow community"
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Did you read it all the way through or did it have too many words for you?
 
Which makes the money that is there all the more important, which was my point. Retaining as Kroppo put it "The cash cow".



Yes but "the cash cow" is part of the myth and legend . The cash cow may be that pile of bones in the back paddock, though folk think it can be revived, or are denying that that pile of bones was indeed "the cash cow". We might need to herd goats ......... and do it on a shoestring.

Rossi was subjected the absence of the cash cow when Yamaha and Honda refused to pay him what he wanted.



I'm trying to point out that Rossi is not the cash cow .......... he has been a victim of the cash cow, but he is not the cash cow.

Mind you he will add to the cash cow as long as some believe he is the cash cow.

Honda believe their "cash cow" lies in Stoner.

Yamaha ..... Lorenzo ......



Ducati have suddenly found ......... the pile of bones in the back paddock.
 
I hope it remains as close as Qatar all year, & may the best man win. Do you remember when I said that 2011 was the year we would find out who Casey really was, what kind of rider he really is? I was wrong, it's an ongoing process & if the problems he is having persist then he has more to prove regarding how he handles the situation. Lorenzo needs to be balls out over the first half of this season to stand a chance later on I believe however & the next few races are crucial.



I do find it amusing that people who have accused Rossi of being a master media manipulator are referring to this "outburst" as such. I thought that he was always so careful about what he said & did? That he was manipulative, & yet I see this being painted as something else entirely by those same journ...people. How odd.



You see, I will talk Moto GP when I see someone worth talking to.



Hypocrisy and ridiculous levels of idiocy don't count, as long as your laying the boot into Rossi in some way, shape or form.......
 
Hypocrisy and ridiculous levels of idiocy don't count, as long as your laying the boot into Rossi in some way, shape or form.......
Yeah, see below.



Yes but...bbbbbbblaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh
I know you were desperate to disagree with me Bazzo, but were talking attendance & viewing figures here. I really suggest you read Kroppo's full article.
 
Yeah, see below.



I know you were desperate to disagree with me Bazzo, but were talking attendance & viewing figures here. I really suggest you read Kroppo's full article.



Oh well if thats what you are into MGP for then knock your socks off ............. but don't then go whingeing that MGP is "broken"
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It seems by that, your belief that Rossi brings in the money, is the reason you still follow GP .......... that and hope of the second coming. Good for you. But that is not reason enough for me.



Rossi is the cash cow for the italians and Rossi fans.

Hayden was the cash cow for the US fans.

Baylis and Edwards was a cash cow for many fans who turned to WSBK during their era ......... Dorna bought the cow.

The "cash cow" always looked for greener grass.



I think it could be argued that Dorna is the "cash cow". And Rossi is a patch of lush grass.



Or maybe the mindset of the fans is the real cash cow, and Rossi's performance at Ducati is slowly changing that ........







In any case, aparently ( because a few fans don't see it ), MGP is a failing farm. Maybe they need to farm a diferent animal? Alpacas?( Hernandes ), Sheep? ( Cal ), Fish Kangaroos and/or Goats? ( Stoner ), Spanish livestock .... or is that Goats? ( Lorenzo ), Miniature ponies? ( Pedrosa ) ............ but maybe the cows are all played out?
 
Can you let me know when you finish digging the hole you are in? So that I can bury you in it.
 
Hypocrisy and ridiculous levels of idiocy don't count, as long as your laying the boot into Rossi in some way, shape or form.......



Oh, boo-hoo.



Talpa, it's called 'Karma,' and Karma is not yet done repaying Mr. Rossi.



Over the course of his career, Rossi has spared no opportunity to put the boot to his opponents, even when they were obviously down and beat (Meltdown Max and Gibblets.) If Rossi had shown some respect earlier, he'd be receiving a lot more now.
 
..........And I note, personally whilst I was reading the line I had the thought of how some would object to it in the comment section underneath moreso than anything else in the article......and BINGO!

So you think along the same lines as 'the detractors'..........................having been one for so long I guess its only natural.



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Ducati sales are up in the States because there are so many yuppies and trustafarian posers

riding from the condo to the sushi bar, and none of them have ever heard of Rossi. The number

of spoiled rich kids buying Ducatis has been steadily increasing since the early '80s.



And what Dave said... that the Japs haven't introduced any major changes in the liter

and 600 cc bikes in years. The bikes on which WSBK are based look pretty much the

same as they did 10 years ago. Ducati and BMW keep coming out with new models

with distinct, very much individual characters.





Ducati have also been highly visible with product placement in many recent big budget high profile movies...Matrix, Tron Legacy etc etc. Rossi has probably been responsible for some growth in sales but it would only be a small percentage increase one would think....at any rate it is not quantifiable in dollar terms.



PS You been on a roll lately Kesh...many funny and well reasoned posts.
 
Ducati's total anual sales WORLDWIDE is only 40,000 bikes. The figure constantly being bandied around for North America was a ploy to distract from the worldwide performance. ie. find one of out markets that is picking up and rave about that .........



Looks like Ducati are 200mil Euro in debt ....... from the Audi takeover figures.
 

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