Who thinks Rossi will retire at the end of 2012?

J4rn0 · Apr 13, 2012

“You have to see for yourself whether that moment that you think will never arrive, has actually come or not. Because it does come -- it happened to me as well as to many others, before and after me. The problem is that when you are that rider, you do not realize it: it is not something easy to understand.

"I say that a rider is like an orange: you squeeze, squeeze it more, and at the end there is no more juice. It also depends at what age you began, how was your career, what were the results. Is this moment coming for Valentino? We all are asking ourselves this question and we hope not, we hope he can have another two or three years with good results. But when you see the other Ducati riders finishing in front of him, it's difficult not to have doubts”.

Giacomo Agostini, a few days ago.

Geonerd · Apr 13, 2012

spooky said:
Or Ezpeleta bends the rules allowing Yamaha to produce another bike....

Hum... I don't know if 'allowed' is quite the right word.

If the Golden Goose winds up on a Yamaha or Honda, you can bet Carmelo will have paid a big chunk of $ under the table. 'Bribed' seems more appropriate to the situation.

I could even see and understand a certain level of price fixing and mild collusion between Honda and Yamaha. Neither will want to supply an extra factory-spec bike, particularly for Rossi.

In any event, #46 can certainly kiss his current $20M(?) factory salary goodbye!

Keshav · Apr 13, 2012

michaelm said:
Everyone gets old , as you will discover. The only alternative is even less palatable.

Mental Anarchist · Apr 13, 2012

michaelm said:
This is getting boring MA.

As a big time stoner fan, on here as such as long as anyone, and here during 2008, 2009 and 2010, this is all reminiscent of the vindictive gloating in regard to stoner in 2009. That was wrong, but does not make the rossi bashing right now.

If either stoner ( winner of the 5th most premier class races and 2 titles) or rossi (most premier class races and 7 titles) is no good and/or was never any good then the whole sport is fraudulent and there is no sense in any of us caring about it.

Everyone gets old , as you will discover. The only alternative is even less palatable.

Stoner was attacked because he won.

At the moment Rossi is being discussed because he is failing to do everything he was apparently a god at. Are we supposed to sit around and all be sad for the guy? No way. He is reaping what he sowed and I for one am glad. I would be very happy if Rossi was no longer in the sport. I am sick to death about it always being about him. There is knew talent and MotoGp needs to look forward. Rossi is the past and is no longer competitive regardless of bike.

I have been reading and commenting about Stoner just as long as you so being on this little forum longer means nothing.

michaelm · Apr 13, 2012

As was raised on the other thread, the other issue is burgess.

He actually is getting close to being old in general terms, seemed lukewarm about the whole ducati project from the get-go and has well known family issues. As an engineer there have been even more paradigm shifts than there have been for valentino, and it is easy to contemplate that he may not have the intuitive grasp of modern technology "digital natives" seem to have from quite a young age now, presumably helpful now so much of bike set-up/development is electronics based. He and valentino got beaten on set-up by jorge and his team a few times even during valentino's possible last hurrah in 2009, which never happened in the day.

On the other hand there is laguna seca 2008, where whatever else happened he and valentino burnt the midnight oil, found large fractions of a second, and also managed to optimise the yamaha to exploit stoner's (as they probably saw it, perhaps more the ducati's as it now appears) weaknesses, and he like valentino might very well still cut it with a japanese bike.

hawkdriver · Apr 13, 2012

Mental Anarchist said:
Stoner was attacked because he won.

At the moment Rossi is being discussed because he is failing to do everything he was apparently a god at. Are we supposed to sit around and all be sad for the guy? No way. He is reaping what he sowed and I for one am glad. I would be very happy if Rossi was no longer in the sport. I am sick to death about it always being about him. There is knew talent and MotoGp needs to look forward. Rossi is the past and is no longer competitive regardless of bike.

I have been reading and commenting about Stoner just as long as you so being on this little forum longer means nothing.

You sound like a jealous little kid or a bitter woman. He's dominating your mind just like he's dominated the competition in GP and the media. Rossi is so brilliant, you want him gone so you can have relief from the obsession he's caused you. I'm guessing that when CS lost laguna is when you went mental, is that when it started?

michaelm · Apr 13, 2012

Mental Anarchist said:
Stoner was attacked because he won.

At the moment Rossi is being discussed because he is failing to do everything he was apparently a god at. Are we supposed to sit around and all be sad for the guy? No way. He is reaping what he sowed and I for one am glad. I would be very happy if Rossi was no longer in the sport. I am sick to death about it always being about him. There is knew talent and MotoGp needs to look forward. Rossi is the past and is no longer competitive regardless of bike.

I have been reading and commenting about Stoner just as long as you so being on this little forum longer means nothing.

Context alone. Length of time on the forum does not make my opinion any more valid, but I did keep posting as a stoner fan during the time when most retreated, and you cannot take away my god-given right to moral superiority

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I am also not unfamiliar with the concepts of hubris and nemesis. However, the bottom line was that stoner was attacked when he was losing (due to health issues, imo and yours) in 2009, which was unfair because he had already demonstrated his mettle, and even that previous success was attributed to bike advantages. I personally see some parallels with rossi's current situation, even to the extent of psychiatric diagnoses now being made ( if not by you). If you don't, fine, and I won't get into whether either or both of us has a sense of irony.

If you want to say stoner was also attacked when he was winning and valentino not so much you will get less argument from me.

rossiofsky · Apr 13, 2012

Wait a minute not so fast! There are some articles about the possibility of his transfer to another teams even in this (mid) season, or for the next year. Rossi still has a few years to shine if he could find himself a bike that he can ride it like before again.

Keshav · Apr 13, 2012

Mental Anarchist said:
Stoner was attacked because he won.

At the moment Rossi is being discussed because he is failing to do everything he was apparently a god at. Are we supposed to sit around and all be sad for the guy? No way. He is reaping what he sowed and I for one am glad. I would be very happy if Rossi was no longer in the sport. I am sick to death about it always being about him. There is knew talent and MotoGp needs to look forward. Rossi is the past and is no longer competitive regardless of bike.

I have been reading and commenting about Stoner just as long as you so being on this little forum longer means nothing.

Never having been a bopper and often having criticized Rossi in the past - and having lived through years of misguided and unfounded venom directed at Nicky and Stoner - I would be a hypocrite to applaud the same mean-spirited spiteful standards being applied when speaking of Rossi. He made his bed and is lying in it. But people with perspective can see that there's enough blame to go around with regards to Ducati's failure to produce a championship winning bike. Rossi is paying for his hubris - and more importantly it should be said, that if MotoGp is so fragile management-wise as to fail due to the ups or downs of one rider - that's not his fault. It has nothing to do with how long anyone here has been on the forum. A bit of Schadenfreude and the occasional laugh at the misfortunes of people who piss us off is one thing - but you really do seem be grinding your axe with a heavy hand.

rossiofsky · Apr 13, 2012

Mental Anarchist said:
If Rossi fails to finish the season he will be for ever remembered as a loser and his legacy will be tainted for sure. How ....... precious of him. He is a quitter. He can't develop a bike and he is no leader. I hope JB and the rest of the crew drops him like a stone.

I seriously hope he can not find another ride. MotoGP will be all the better with out him because at last the stories written will be about the other awesome talent that currently is on the grid and who are the future of the sport.

Dorna are complete muppets in my opinion because they are definitely going to squeeze Yamaha hard and either Smith, Dovi or Crutchlow are going to get screwed along with Hayden, Barnera and Abraham when Ducati become a casualty of Dorna trying to get Rossi at the front.

Yamaha will lose also because if they supply Rossi with a satellite spec M1 then Rossi will ..... and complain about not getting upgrades.

In the end everyone loses.

Then again, I guess for some people Rossi's legacy has always been tainted and nothing could have changed that even if Rossi was dominating the championship on the Ducati.

To me as one of his fans who is also very unhappy with his performance and behaviour atm, this will mean as his worst performance but it wont change my idea of him as the best rider of his era in motogp.

digger · Apr 13, 2012

The way I see it now, he will be damned if he wins again, because some will say its only because he has been given a top notch bike (Ducati gp12 included if it improves by some miracle), and damned if he keeps on losing, because some will say its because he has always had top notch bikes and really isn't talented at all.

Lose lose situation.

Goatboy · Apr 13, 2012

digger said:
The way I see it now, he will be damned if he wins again, because some will say its only because he has been given a top notch bike (Ducati gp12 included if it improves by some miracle), and damned if he keeps on losing, because some will say its because he has always had top notch bikes and really isn't talented at all.

Lose lose situation.

So essentially nothing will have changed since he first slung a leg over a bike.

Keshav · Apr 13, 2012

digger said:
The way I see it now, he will be damned if he wins again, because some will say its only because he has been given a top notch bike (Ducati gp12 included if it improves by some miracle), and damned if he keeps on losing, because some will say its because he has always had top notch bikes and really isn't talented at all.

Lose lose situation.

I wouldn't lose any sleep worrying about that.

Mr Squiggle · Apr 13, 2012

Excellent article by KRJR.....

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/Apr/120413-1046.htm

I can't agree with Mental that Rossi will ever be considered a "loser"....at present he is simply a whiner who is not winning. He has certainly been shown to be a flawed human being - like all of us.

However I DO object to blatant favouritism in any form of sport. And on this point arguments can be made that Rossi seems to have been favoured by many rule changes over the years. At the same time his rivals have been subjected to certain rule changes that have disadvantaged them and this seems to be the case again this year. The introduction of a new front tire that suits the Ducati while simultaneously being rejected by the present world championship team is case in point. Another is the 4kg weight penalty imposed AFTER Honda and Yamaha had finalised their designs for the 2012 season.

This situation cannot be glossed over and his economic importance to the series has again seemingly taken precedence over fair and transparent regulatory practices. If Rossi himself cannot be competitive concessions to help him get nearer the front should be seen for what they are - rider favouritism. And that should be unacceptable to any fair minded race fan. If he ends up on a factory Yamaha or Honda next year while simultaneously assisting in Ducatis demise and ultimately their exit from MGP it will be one more reason for him to lose the respect and admiration of race fans the world over.

birdman · Apr 13, 2012

Mr Squiggle said:
Excellent article by KRJR.....

That 16.5 inch tire was first used and developed by McCoy. I think he then complained the compound he prefered was quickly taken away the following year when the other riders switched. Someone apparently used to follow him around. Haha good ole motogp polemics never ends ......................

http://vroom.blog.hu/2012/01/02/where_the_king_is_sliding_garry_mccoy_interview

Mr Squiggle · Apr 13, 2012

birdman said:
That 16.5 inch tire was first used and developed by McCoy. I think he then complained the compound he prefered was quickly taken away the following year when the other riders switched. Someone apparently used to follow him around. Haha good ole motogp polemics never ends ......................

http://vroom.blog.hu...mccoy_interview

Thanks for the link bird....I reckon this part is rather poignant.

"We should never have lost 500cc two strokes"

Amen to that! Ever since the introduction of 4 strokes and the advent of rider aids / electronics my passion for the sport has waned considerably.

MotoGP in its present guise is ....... I find the politics and the predominance of Europeans running the show to fulfil their own agendas to be a major turnoff. It began around the start of the new millenium and the sport has gone backwards ever since. I cant recall a time when the riders, fans, manufacturers and governing body were so divided.

BarryMachine · Apr 13, 2012

Sqigg. you do know that Doohan has already said they had TC even back in his days? Not as sophisticated as now but electronics are not new to the 4 stroke era.

Mr Squiggle · Apr 13, 2012

BarryMachine said:
Sqigg. you do know that Doohan has already said they had TC even back in his days? Not as sophisticated as now but electronics are not new to the 4 stroke era.

Yes I do....but they weren't nearly as sophisticated, nor as intrusive as those found on todays bikes.

I still think the same riders would be up front regardless of the electronic aids. I find the argument that todays generation of riders would be launching themselves into orbit without rider aids to be quite lame.....considering none of them would have utilised such technology on their rise to the ranks of MGP pilots it smacks of elitism. It is usually derived from ignorant and biased assumptions and is generally aimed at discrediting the achievements of the new guys with respect to previous champions.

Who was it again that coined the term "playstation generation" to disredit his rivals? Oh yeah.... that's right!

Goatboy · Apr 13, 2012

Keshav said:
I wouldn't lose any sleep worrying about that.

Bet you do, bet it's your worst nightmare. Just think of the escalation on here! ....... nuclear war man, charred corpses!

Evolution · Apr 13, 2012

Mr Squiggle said:
Excellent article by KRJR.....

http://www.superbike...120413-1046.htm

I can't agree with Mental that Rossi will ever be considered a "loser"....at present he is simply a whiner who is not winning. He has certainly been shown to be a flawed human being - like all of us.

However I DO object to blatant favouritism in any form of sport. And on this point arguments can be made that Rossi seems to have been favoured by many rule changes over the years. At the same time his rivals have been subjected to certain rule changes that have disadvantaged them and this seems to be the case again this year. The introduction of a new front tire that suits the Ducati while simultaneously being rejected by the present world championship team is case in point. Another is the 4kg weight penalty imposed AFTER Honda and Yamaha had finalised their designs for the 2012 season.

This situation cannot be glossed over and his economic importance to the series has again seemingly taken precedence over fair and transparent regulatory practices. If Rossi himself cannot be competitive concessions to help him get nearer the front should be seen for what they are - rider favouritism. And that should be unacceptable to any fair minded race fan. If he ends up on a factory Yamaha or Honda next year while simultaneously assisting in Ducatis demise and ultimately their exit from MGP it will be one more reason for him to lose the respect and admiration of race fans the world over.

You mean like the change to 800 that was also all in favour of Rossi? I hate blind haters

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