Who thinks Rossi will retire at the end of 2012?

Kropotkin said:

Maybe JB and the crew are part of the problem, not the solution. They have so far conspicuously and spectacularly failed to come up with any solutions to his woes.

Click to expand...

Exactly Krop.



Whilst all the blame thus far has been sheeted at either Ducati or Rossi, it has to be recognised that Rossi has a team behind him and they have to shoulder some of the blame, just as Rossi and Ducati should.



It cannot go both ways as if we are to say that JB is part of the reason for the success, should we not also so that he is now part of the reason for the lack of success?







And Goat, I am an Aussie and Aussies do .... up sometimes, just like all nationalities, just that when we do it we celebrate it by getting pissed with our mates while perving on jelly wrestling grid girls.

Mental Anarchist said:

Maybe they are. Maybe they didn't want to go there in the first place. Maybe they wanted to work with what they had and when Rossi kept demanding changes and new chassis rather than letting them work through the problems they felt disrespected.



Sounds to me that Rossi has decided in his mind that he just can't ride the bike and therefore there is nothing they can do. My Sifu said to me the other night that "when someone claims they can't, they become useless to everyone". Rossi has clearly claimed he can't so nothing will change regardless of what Ducati and or JB and crew do.

Click to expand...

80% of the problem is Rossi 20% the bike ......... thats the figures to boppers quote when its advantageous. So realistically JB and crew are not at fault at all!!

Gaz said:

And Goat, I am an Aussie and Aussies do .... up sometimes, just like all nations.

Click to expand...

Never!!



oh wait ......... one of us is wrong .........

spooky said:

What a load of ..... - Quite possibly the worst post i've read on this forum, did the penguin find your log-in details?

Click to expand...

You just wait for the fall out from this. The impacts will be big and many people will get screwed. Mark my words.



Also explain to me how Rossi is not a quitter if he leaves mid season. Can't wait for your logic on that one.



In fact explain to me what in my post is .....

Is there no other talent on the grid?

Is he not currently a loser?

Has he not failed to develop the Ducati?

Has he not failed to lead his team?

How will it not impact the currently contracted Yamaha riders if there is a 2+2 rule?

If Ducati drop out due to Rossi failing and Dorna squeezing them to release Rossi how will it not impact Hayden, Barbera and Abraham?

Do you honestly think that Rossi will not ..... if he gets a satellite spec Yamaha that is less specced than the factory bikes?

Mental Anarchist said:

Maybe they are. Maybe they didn't want to go there in the first place. Maybe they wanted to work with what they had and when Rossi kept demanding changes and new chassis rather than letting them work through the problems they felt disrespected.

Click to expand...

Maybe they're not as good as they are believed to be. Stealing setup data from Lorenzo, stealing setup data from Hayden. Burgess has won titles with Doohan, Rossi, Gardner, Spencer. How many of those titles were down to Burgess, and how many to Doohan, Spencer, Rossi, Gardner?

Kropotkin said:

Maybe they're not as good as they are believed to be. Stealing setup data from Lorenzo, stealing setup data from Hayden. Burgess has won titles with Doohan, Rossi, Gardner, Spencer. How many of those titles were down to Burgess, and how many to Doohan, Spencer, Rossi, Gardner?

Click to expand...

True. Maybe Rossi is not as good as he is believed to be also. That would make the trifecta because we know Ducati are not as good as they were believed to be.

Mental Anarchist said:

True. Maybe Rossi is not as good as he is believed to be also. That would make the trifecta because we know Ducati are not as good as they were believed to be.

Click to expand...

Rossi used to be the greatest motorcycle racer in the world. Then a generation came after him who wanted to be champion, and knew they had to beat Rossi if they wanted to be champion. So they did whatever it took, trained, studied, until they were good enough to beat him. Sic transit gloria mundi.

Kropotkin said:

Rossi used to be the greatest motorcycle racer in the world. Then a generation came after him who wanted to be champion, and knew they had to beat Rossi if they wanted to be champion. So they did whatever it took, trained, studied, until they were good enough to beat him. Sic transit gloria mundi.

Click to expand...

Thats why world records in swimming, athletics and every other sport keep getting broken. Once upon a time no one could break the 4min mile. Now school kids can do it.

BarryMachine said:

Good point. If Lorenzo wins the WC ( or looks like he will ) again he will have the say too.

If Stoner is looking to win again Yamaha may just be swayed to "supply" rossi.

Click to expand...

While it would be unfortunate for the rider who loses his seat - it would be a huge marketing coup

for both Yamaha and Dorna. Somehow I can't see Rossi slinking back to Yamaha - tho it is a better

alternative than CRT or WSBK. Maybe it is time for him to go to four wheels. Going back to Yamaha

as 2nd rider to Lorenzo would be ego suicide for Rossi.

I'm not a Rossi fan, but it is an uncomfortable feeling indeed to have to witness his woes (or perhaps demise from Motogp). Sure, it's only the first race of the year gone. But, a year on at Ducati and no progress (perhaps signs of gong backwards) says a lot. I think Casey and George are just too good. They are young, on good bikes, and appear to be taking it to a new level. Vale has it all stacked against him - his age, crap bike, and obvious lack of confidence is now spilling out for all to see. It's easy to say he should have stayed at Yamaha. But, how could he stay after being on top all those years then have some new kid on the team take over as #1? It would be no shame to just accept he can no longer keep up with the best and just enjoy the ride in the elite class. But that aint his style. He was #1 for too long. Must be hard for him to leave, and hard to stay. Let's show the guy some respect and not put the boot in when he's down. I hope his departure from Motogp (whenever it is) is a gracious one...



Mick

Kropotkin said:

Rossi used to be the greatest motorcycle racer in the world. Then a generation came after him who wanted to be champion, and knew they had to beat Rossi if they wanted to be champion. So they did whatever it took, trained, studied, until they were good enough to beat him. Sic transit gloria mundi.

Click to expand...

Gag me with a spoon.

Mick would it be more gracious to battle thru another bad winless season or quit early & cut his losses?



"better to die on your feet than to live on your knees"

Mental Anarchist said:

You just wait for the fall out from this. The impacts will be big and many people will get screwed. Mark my words.



Also explain to me how Rossi is not a quitter if he leaves mid season. Can't wait for your logic on that one.



In fact explain to me what in my post is .....

Is there no other talent on the grid?

Is he not currently a loser?

Has he not failed to develop the Ducati?

Has he not failed to lead his team?

How will it not impact the currently contracted Yamaha riders if there is a 2+2 rule?

If Ducati drop out due to Rossi failing and Dorna squeezing them to release Rossi how will it not impact Hayden, Barbera and Abraham?

Do you honestly think that Rossi will not ..... if he gets a satellite spec Yamaha that is less specced than the factory bikes?

Click to expand...

Aye ok...mind its all speculation at the moment, i certainly havent read anything that suggests he's gonna try and get a Yam/Honda, so dont get your knickers in a twist.



Quitter? No, he's had a pretty torrid couple of years, snapping his leg, being involved in the death of a close friend, trying to get on with a bike that is clearly not designed to get on with anyone (except freaks). No, if he wrapped it i think a lot of people would understand - he's only human FFS



Talent? Yup, loads of hit, the 2 top guys are considered great because they took the fight to GOAT and won. Like Krop says, Rossi has been the benchmark.



Loser? Aye maybe, everyone thats got on the bike besides Casey has lost on it - you find it necessary though, purely because its Rossi, to stamp on him while he's down. Pretty sad really



Development? No, he's given clear advice as to what he expects from the bike, the engineers have failed.



Team leader? Ask Hayden what he thinks of the bike 'best Ducati i've ever ridden' comes to mind - just a shame is doesnt give Rossi himself any confidence.



I have no idea how it'll affect the current 2+2 rule, if he can find sponsorship money to fund another bike, it shouldnt affect them at all.



Cant see Ducati dropping out, why would they?



Aye probably

spooky said:

I have no idea how it'll affect the current 2+2 rule, if he can find sponsorship money to fund another bike, it shouldnt affect them at all.

Click to expand...

Well, the point is that there would be no 'other' bike. It's two factory plus two sat entries. In the case of Yam this means Yam fac plus Tech3. So, sat-wise, it would be either Rossi having his own team/bike, which means Tech3 is reduced to a one-bike team. Or it means Rossi would become one of two Tech3 riders. Or it would mean no Yam for Rossi. I deliberately left out the option of riding for the factory team again, as it seems the least likely of all options.

sewarion said:

Well, the point is that there would be no 'other' bike. It's two factory plus two sat entries. In the case of Yam this means Yam fac plus Tech3. So, sat-wise, it would be either Rossi having his own team/bike, which means Tech3 is reduced to a one-bike team. Or it means Rossi would become one of two Tech3 riders. Or it would mean no Yam for Rossi. I deliberately left out the option of riding for the factory team again, as it seems the least likely of all options.

Click to expand...

Or Ezpeleta bends the rules allowing Yamaha to produce another bike....

The 2+2 is just a proposal at the moment, not a rule. It is still under discussion, and has not been accepted yet.

Kropotkin said:

The 2+2 is just a proposal at the moment, not a rule. It is still under discussion, and has not been accepted yet.

Click to expand...

Cool. Seems a bit of a daft proposal considering Dorna are trying increase grid sizes...

spooky said:

Cool. Seems a bit of a daft proposal considering Dorna are trying increase grid sizes...

Click to expand...

Yeah, pretty odd.

Kropotkin said:

Maybe they're not as good as they are believed to be. Stealing setup data from Lorenzo, stealing setup data from Hayden. Burgess has won titles with Doohan, Rossi, Gardner, Spencer. How many of those titles were down to Burgess, and how many to Doohan, Spencer, Rossi, Gardner?

Click to expand...

+++

Mental Anarchist said:

You just wait for the fall out from this. The impacts will be big and many people will get screwed. Mark my words.



Also explain to me how Rossi is not a quitter if he leaves mid season. Can't wait for your logic on that one.



In fact explain to me what in my post is .....

Is there no other talent on the grid?

Is he not currently a loser?

Has he not failed to develop the Ducati?

Has he not failed to lead his team?

How will it not impact the currently contracted Yamaha riders if there is a 2+2 rule?

If Ducati drop out due to Rossi failing and Dorna squeezing them to release Rossi how will it not impact Hayden, Barbera and Abraham?

Do you honestly think that Rossi will not ..... if he gets a satellite spec Yamaha that is less specced than the factory bikes?

Click to expand...

This is getting boring MA.



As a big time stoner fan, on here as such as long as anyone, and here during 2008, 2009 and 2010, this is all reminiscent of the vindictive gloating in regard to stoner in 2009. That was wrong, but does not make the rossi bashing right now.



If either stoner ( winner of the 5th most premier class races and 2 titles) or rossi (most premier class races and 7 titles) is no good and/or was never any good then the whole sport is fraudulent and there is no sense in any of us caring about it.



Everyone gets old , as you will discover. The only alternative is even less palatable.