Who is MotoGP's biggest whinger

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yamaka46 @ Jan 10 2008, 03:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Dear god no....

Don't let him get as egotistical as MS who started cheating at Benetton and never looked back. Ross Brawn helped by joining him at Ferrari and continuing the <strike>winning</strike> cheating streak.
That's how we like our sportsmen in australia; haven't you seen the stuff about the australian cricket team since you have been out here ?

I agree that you can take a strong will to win too far to the point of complete arrogance, but I am still a schumacher fan. I don't think there was too much cheating at ferrari apart from the monaco qualifying incident. The benetton years were obviously more questionable.

Looks like it's a real struggle - and the winner is-

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (motojt @ Jan 10 2008, 04:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi's Rump Rangers vs. Stoner's Boner Holders.


Look they're tied.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jan 10 2008, 06:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What are you afraid of, that perhaps your favorite rider might be exposed for some of his less than honorable/human qualities?


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Jan 11 2008, 12:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That's how we like our sportsmen in australia; haven't you see the stuff about the australian cricket team since you have been out here ?

I agree that you can take a strong will to win too far to the point of complete arrogance, but I am still a schumacher fan. I don't think there was too much cheating at ferrari apart from the monaco qualifying incident. The benetton years were obviously more questionable.
A couple of "cheating at ferrari" examples
Final race 1997 driving into Villeneuve believing that if it worked (it didn't) he'd get away with it like he had in 1994.
Silverstone 1998 when he "won" in the pits. You can call this exercising a loophole, but talk about not in the spirit of the rules.
Barcelona 2002 in the rain. You could hear the TC kicking in in the corners from my armchair, let alone from trackside!

As far as the cricket is concerned, India can go home if they want, they've already lost the series, so who cares

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yamaka46 @ Jan 11 2008, 04:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>


A couple of "cheating at ferrari" examples
Final race 1997 driving into Villeneuve believing that if it worked (it didn't) he'd get away with it like he had in 1994.
Silverstone 1998 when he "won" in the pits. You can call this exercising a loophole, but talk about not in the spirit of the rules.
Barcelona 2002 in the rain. You could hear the TC kicking in in the corners from my armchair, let alone from trackside!

As far as the cricket is concerned, India can go home if they want, they've already lost the series, so who cares
I had forgotten the second villeneuve incident. The benettons he won in were still slower than the opposition, even with the likely presence of illegal traction control. I wasn't aware that there had been speculation about tc in the early days at ferrari; I have bought the australian version of the F1 magazine for many years but we probably don't get all the news over here. I did actually go to see schumacher's first race for ferrari in melbourne.

I am sure you are above being influenced by such things, but the tv coverage we got here was certainly slanted against schumacher particularly by martin brundle who absolutely hates him. For such a villain schumacher seemed to treat his crew very well and to be loved by them.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jan 10 2008, 07:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hey Babel, who said this?

You can go on as long as you will RJ, but if you don't see the difference then it's youre problem.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>First of all, it’s a fair question to ask: Who is a whiner in the sport?
It's the poll that is stupid, not nesesarily the tread. The tread live it's own life and if it can bring some light into why some are considered whingers while others are not, then it might be a very good tread.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>First of all, it’s a fair question to ask: Who is a whiner in the sport? We discuss all manor of topics here and this is certainly not beyond the pail. The range of topics run the entire spectrum on the forum regarding the sport's: history, technical aspects, the show, the buisness, the politics, and the rider persona's and character, so what's the problem?

Isn't that obvious! You choose to behave surprisingly naive at times. The bigest troll and Rossi basher create a poll, not a topic formed as a question and you ask me whats wrong? I'm sorry, you'll have to find that out for your self.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>I can see it being a suspect question because its Pinky who is asking it and we all are aware of his inclination. But notice how he posed the question. He left it up to you to decide. He did NOT even put in his opinion, which undoubted would have been a dig at Rossi. So I can’t see why you think this is a Rossi-bashing thread if you only noticed the person asking but over looked the actual question. He put up his own favorite rider too at the risk of him getting many vote (which interestingly has happened). Now if he can exercise such refrain, why can’t you? What you have done is effectively poisoned the pot rather than tried to answer the question. So if anybody is showing their bias here, its you my sparing friend.

What are you afraid of, that perhaps your favorite rider might be exposed for some of his less than honorable/human qualities?
I'm not afraid, I know it will happen and Pinky know it will happen. He can sit there apperaing just as inosent as you so naivly discribe him above and know that the goal was achived. And I don't think for a second that you are naive, so where do that put you?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Jan 11 2008, 12:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Interesting point and should it he not be commended for whinging (if some see it that way, I don't) when winning?

Elsewhere in the various threads on this board we ask why Rossi for example did not complain of TC when winning, why tyres weren't an issue etc. Here we have a rider allegedly complaining when winning, yet he seems to be castigated for these complaints under these circumstances.

Well people, what do we want?

Do we want riders to speak their minds irresepective of whether they come first or last, or di we want them to shut up and say nothing?

I for one feel that a rider who wins has as much a right as one who finishes last to whinge/complain if they feel it warranted, and the big point here is that they feel it warranted, not you or I.

It also needs to be remembered that one persons whinge is another's valid criticism and another's motivation so we should not judge so hard.

But like others I won't vote because all riders should be whinging/complaining as their job is to improve their chosen product and to do this they need to give feedback.

+1
All very good points.

allthough Rossi often comment(ed) negative things, including TC (ref. Noyes article about std Ecu)
And that leads me to believe that what the journos focus on and the audince focus on depend on the riders situation.
Rossi loosing lead to a lot of leading questions about why. Answering to their best ability can easily be twisted into whigning.

Funniest thread ever, Ben should make this a sticky, I wonder how many of the rossettes that said they wouldn't vote actually did, totally predictable. You know who you are

Stoner … a whinger … yes
Rossi … whinges as much as Stoner
Pedrosa … rates highly in the whinging stakes … he always looks unhappy
Hayden … whinges with a smile
Hopper … he kicks his bike … is that counted?
Capirex … complained all season about the GP7 … crap bike wasn’t it?!
Ant West … he is always happy hey?!
Marco … was not a happy man in 07!
DePuniet … who knows … I never saw him smile in 07!
TEAM KR … they were really happy in 07!

Tamada, Barros and Checa … all happy campers … so much so we won’t be seeing them in 08!

About the only two riders that never seemed to complain about anything last season were Sylvain G. and Chris the Vee!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (krusty @ Jan 11 2008, 12:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>About the only two riders that never seemed to complain about anything last season were Sylvain G. and Chris the Vee!

Or nobody even cared to ask them what they think.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Jan 11 2008, 09:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Or nobody even cared to ask them what they think.
I seem to remember them talking to CV a bit ... he had more race wins and podiums than most that lined up on the grid!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (krusty @ Jan 11 2008, 12:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I seem to remember them talking to CV a bit ... he had more race wins and podiums than most that lined up on the grid!

^+1 me agreeing with Krusty seems to be a regular occurrence....and for a forum where nobody agrees with anybody else, this is a worrying trend!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Jan 11 2008, 02:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It's the poll that is stupid, not nesesarily the tread.

Judging from your weak response, I'll take that as you got nothing. For somebody who thought this was such a "stupid" poll you sure made plenty of appearances. Perhaps it was to line yourself up neatly on one side of the "camps" you spoke of on another thread.

There is a difference between “whining” and having legitimate concerns. I tried to explain this, but it seems it was lost with you here. I'll make another point, hopefully this one won't get lost also (crossing my fingers) Let me remind you that you have championed the cause of pointing to tires as the cause of Rossi's losses (oh if you need any reminders of this, just look back on any post race thread that he didn't win, uhm just take your pick). To go along with your tire theme, you have championed the debate to support him on his strong-arm tactics to get preferential treatment by Dorna. You have tried every single angle to prop up your bias rationale and justification for it, but every single reason you presented has been show to be deficient.

My point here is to remind you of your overtly bias tendency to apologize (that means rationalize) in support of Rossi at every turn to the same degree as Pinks does against Rossi (albeit you do it more eloquently). Here is my point, you are conversely responsible for doing the same things just in the other direction, but just a bit more masked because you present it more intelligently. So now when you start a thread, should I dismiss it as "stupid" because I am fully aware of your inclinations? Am I being "naive" as you say, because I respond to a topic that you prejudged and made your own mind up as to its real meaning?

Like I said, look at the question. Ask yourself, is it framed? Did he troll by inputting his opinion to reveal his intentions? The best somebody here came up with was to say he put Rossi first on the list (as evidence of his intention to bash--rather weak wouldn't you say). Would it help if he put Casey first? He didn't put him last if you noticed. So again, what's the problem here? Your only explanation to deem it trolling is the member, that's it. Or is you disdain for anybody that disagrees with you about Rossi that powerful that you can't ever answer a relevant question because of "who" is asking it? What's the message here? Should we stop responding to your posts because you are such a Rossi supporter?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jan 11 2008, 04:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Judging from your weak response, I'll take that as you got nothing. For somebody who thought this was such a "stupid" poll you sure made plenty of appearances. Perhaps it was to line yourself up neatly on one side of the "camps" you spoke of on another thread.

There is a difference between “whining” and having legitimate concerns. I tried to explain this, but it seems it was lost with you here. I'll make another point, hopefully this one won't get lost also (crossing my fingers) Let me remind you that you have championed the cause of pointing to tires as the cause of Rossi's losses (oh if you need any reminders of this, just look back on any post race thread that he didn't win, uhm just take your pick). To go along with your tire theme, you have championed the debate to support him on his strong-arm tactics to get preferential treatment by Dorna. You have tried every single angle to prop up your bias rationale and justification for it, but every single reason you presented has been show to be deficient.

My point here is to remind you of your overtly bias tendency to apologize (that means rationalize) in support of Rossi at every turn to the same degree as Pinks does against Rossi (albeit you do it more eloquently). Here is my point, you are conversely responsible for doing the same things just in the other direction, but just a bit more masked because you present it more intelligently. So now when you start a thread, should I dismiss it as "stupid" because I am fully aware of your inclinations? Am I being "naive" as you say, because I respond to a topic that you prejudged and made your own mind up as to its real meaning?

Like I said, look at the question. Ask yourself, is it framed? Did he troll by inputting his opinion to reveal his intentions? The best somebody here came up with was to say he put Rossi first on the list (as evidence of his intention to bash--rather weak wouldn't you say). Would it help if he put Casey first? He didn't put him last if you noticed. So again, what's the problem here? Your only explanation to deem it trolling is the member, that's it. Or is you disdain for anybody that disagrees with you about Rossi that powerful that you can't ever answer a relevant question because of "who" is asking it? What's the message here? Should we stop responding to your posts because you are such a Rossi supporter?

Can I ask who is the biggest whinger on the Hong Kong ... Guide site? I always get it mixed up with this one when I come (sorry ) online..........


Pete

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Jan 11 2008, 01:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Can I ask who is the biggest whinger on the Hong Kong ... Guide site? I always get it mixed up with this one when I come (sorry ) online..........


Pete
Oh no you didn't. ahahahahahaha baahahahah!

I haven't heard from you in a while and you come back with a tsunami. Hahaha.

Ah .... man you took out the wind from my sail to try and stand up for this guy. That's ...... up man.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Jan 11 2008, 09:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Can I ask who is the biggest whinger on the Hong Kong ... Guide site? I always get it mixed up with this one when I come (sorry ) online..........


Pete

Sheer Brilliance!

Well, it looks like the winners of who is the biggest whiner/whinger are:

Rossi/Stoner Stoner/Rossi 16/16 (just to be fair I mirrored the list)


So both their fans are happy and disappointed at the same time. I wonder if this turned out how it was "intended"...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MigsAngel @ Jan 10 2008, 10:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I would like to revise the post to include the biggest whinger in MOTOGP history....

MR MAX BIAGGI

Anybody agree?
If Max had have been on the list then............

<span style="font-size:24pt;line-height:100%Horhey Horhenzo<u></u>

Now that .... makes me laugh as well as the other one, Whorehey Hohenzo.

I'm sorry if I'm the odd one on this sight but I actually like to read Pinky's posts. They always bring a little grin to my face if not make me ROFLMAO. Its also just as good to see how people take his/her posts. At least Pinky isn't spamming it like crazy. He just throws his 2 cents in every now and then. Next poll: Who likes Pinky's posts?

As far as whining goes, it happens in every sport, some do it more than others. Some athletes can be a little ..... about it and do it all the time and some really have legitimate reasons to whine. But the poll is stupid IMO.

edit: +1 on Biaggi

Someone check if Pinky signed up under another alias