<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Jan 10 2008, 07:52 AM)
<{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It is undeniable that casey stoner did a fair bit of whinging in 2007,
but oddly mainly after he had racked up a number of wins. Even more oddly he didn't whinge much in 2006 when he arguably had quite some justification for doing so.
It may be an australian trait, because as I have said before I remember mick doohan complaining quite a lot during several of his championship years, particularly about alex criville
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Interesting point and should it he not be commended for whinging (if some see it that way, I don't) when winning?
Elsewhere in the various threads on this board we ask why Rossi for example did not complain of TC when winning, why tyres weren't an issue etc. Here we have a rider allegedly complaining when winning, yet he seems to be castigated for these complaints under these circumstances.
Well people, what do we want?
Do we want riders to speak their minds irresepective of whether they come first or last, or di we want them to shut up and say nothing?
I for one feel that a rider who wins has as much a right as one who finishes last to whinge/complain if they feel it warranted, and the big point here is that they feel it warranted, not you or I.
It also needs to be remembered that one persons whinge is another's valid criticism and another's motivation so we should not judge so hard.
But like others I won't vote because all riders should be whinging/complaining as their job is to improve their chosen product and to do this they need to give feedback.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Jan 10 2008, 06:18 PM)
<{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>sorry but i have to say that yes valentino whinges but he has real reasons to whinge, like a unreliable bike and tyres that cant last race distance, but casey had a perfect pakage all year if things werent going his way he looked like he is going to cry and i mean most were minor things, i have also seen him go into the garage totally ignore the ducati people who are trying to talk to him then put his things down and storm out shoving his way past people, so before you decide to vote people who whinge over real problems make sure you look at the ones that arent.
valentino has taken alot on the chin this season and casey hasnt but still manages to cry like a little baby so get your facts straight.
stop being biased this isnt about being a fanboy.
people like pinky probably creating many accounts to make sure the real cry baby doent get voted biggest whinger.
No offence JazKat but your criticism of Stoner's behaviour seem bias, particularly given that I have seen Rossi do exactly what you say Stoner has done (and I have Stoner do this so not saying he does not).
But it is difficult in their shoes so I do not have a problem with a rider returning to the pits and basically saying little before disappearing, if indeed they did say little and if indeed they do disappear. Don't forget that many of these riders know that they will be captured on camera explaining bike behaviour and many may not want to give their rivals any indication of their mindset (positive/negative)
Garry
