Who deserved to be champion?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Nov 1 2006, 08:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm doing my best to understand what your are saying, but I just think we have different perspectives I guess.

Ok. Rossi had a lucky season every time he won a championship and other people would agree (just not many on this site). Fair?


yh he did actually and he admits that in his biography. i didnt say that hayden won the title purely down to luck, i was just saying he had a lucky season and in that lucky season, he won the championship.
do u understand where im comin from now?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (4..louzi..2 @ Nov 1 2006, 12:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>yh he did actually and he admits that in his biography. i didnt say that hayden won the title purely down to luck, i was just saying he had a lucky season and in that lucky season, he won the championship.
do u understand where im comin from now?

I like your tenacity. I like that. (I don’t think others had given you that credit).

Lets just say when it comes to luck I agree with this statement: (paraphrasing cuz I can’t remember what thread I say it on, but if anybody sees it let me know). It goes something like this: “luck is what you make for yourself”, something like that.

So ok, there is an element of luck, but certainly this is not to be the major characterization of one’s championship. This is why a championship is won over a season, to cancel out this element (hopefully). But it seems to me that when our guy doesn’t win, we rationalize it by saying, well the other guy (in this case Hayden) won because he “had a lucky” season. You are not the only one, others do it too, I’ve been guilty of that. It’s just that we have a hard time accepting that the guy we root for just didn’t win this time. Now we could go back and see all the guys that finished in second place all those years that Rossi won and say, well that guy didn’t win cuz he had a “unlucky” season. But I think that would be taking away something from Rossi. But maybe not, maybe you are right here. Maybe all those guys who came in second were just “unlucky” and they are the ones who “deserved” to win.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Nov 1 2006, 08:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Maybe all those guys who came in second were just “unlucky” and they are the ones who “deserved” to win.

no, not necessarily. a lot of fans and some eurosport comentators have also said that rossi hasnt been lucky this year. rossi agrees with this because in an interview, he had quoted "all of the years i have been riding motorbikes, i have been very lucky, but my luck has run this year and we will just have see what we can do".
wen i sed who do you think deserved the title, if anyone didnt think that hayden didnt deserve it for any of their personal reasons then this was the place to express their feelings. i think capirossi deserved it coz he worked so hard and got a lot of points this year, even though he had some bad luck with that crash in catalunya, he got the points back and woz seen on the podium a lot. if u can say anyone had bad luck then it would definetly b sete gibernau!
the people who came second and third werent unlucky, they were quite lucky to come close to winning the championship. just because someone was unlucky, it doesnt mean they deserve it, if they worked so hard for it, then yeah, u could say they deserved it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (4..louzi..2 @ Nov 1 2006, 01:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>rossi agrees with this because in an interview, he had quoted "all of the years i have been riding motorbikes, i have been very lucky, but my luck has run this year and we will just have see what we can do".

uhm, so ok. I think he should give his championships to the runner up spot because they "deserved" it.

I think we are going in circles here.

Oh, and yes, I agree, Loris did a great job and had Hayden not won the championship, Loris would have had my vote.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Nov 1 2006, 10:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>uhm, so ok. I think he should give his championships to the runner up spot because they "deserved" it.

I think we are going in circles here.

Oh, and yes, I agree, Loris did a great job and had Hayden not won the championship, Loris would have had my vote.


lol ok, i'll stop now, i woz just testin out ma debating skills for my english lessons .. no i woznt reeli, i woz just noting my point and i couldnt stop
ur good at makin ur point!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BEN @ Nov 1 2006, 10:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>After Sunday's performance I wouldnt count on that! The team was different when Troy was racing with them..........the package has improved loads, just have to look at who ended up 3rd in the champs to see that

I bet Ducati wished they signed him instead of Stoner


maybe but equally he did fall off quite a bit so maybe he just wasnt suited to the bike.

Also hes quite big and thyve gone fonr stoner so they have two smaller, lighters riders probs why they blew gibbers out x

Before Valencia I would for sure have said Rossi deserved it more, cause obviously the comeback he made was simply amazing. Almost everyone thought he didnt stand a chance after Laguna Seca, so when he lead the championship going into the last race I really felt he deserved it, BUT after watching the last GP I have to say Nicky totally deserves it. I don't think he was the best one last season, he did have the most points in the end and that's what matters. Nicky was consistent and he stayed cool till the last lap, Rossi didnt, he made 2 errors in that last race. He can blame himself for losing out. Dont get me wrong, obviously if you look at the whole season Rossi finished less races and he still managed to came sooo close to taking his 8th title, that really shows his great class, but the fact is he had pole, he had the 8 point lead and he screwed it up, therefore Nicky deserves it imo. I'm really happy for the guy..I do hope Vale will win next season well actually I dont even mind who will win, I just hope it will be exciting again!!

I know Nicky was lucky but everyone deserves a bit of luck and it has happened to the greats of motorsports such as Schumi, Alonso and even Rossi

I think the many many discussions on here about haydens title, and rossis "bad luck" are all very very interesting. For me, hayden is the champion, the media and public seem to be having some trouble coming to terms with this, and being British i am getting very fed up of the filth printed in our weekly motorbike paper MCN.

Can it really be considered bad luck, that rossis bike wasnt quite up to scratch this season. I'm sre we can all remember when rossi chose to ride for yamaha, and pretty much hand picked his team of mechanics and engineers. History will tell you that a factory honda is the best and most realiable bike. Yet rossi opted for the risky choice, and thats why so many people love him. Rossi started 2006 with a bike that had setup troubles, and as we saw in china, a chassis that doesnt do its tires any favours. But shouldnt they have rectified that over the winter. Rossi got knocked off in Jerez, but shoulnt the world champion have been a bit closer to the sharp end, out of the risky mid pack area? And then assen, can a parctice crash be considered bad luck, there was only one person riding that bike and it was valentino rossi.

This argument can continue on and on, but its pointless because he overcame all these problems to lead into the final race, where he went a little too far. Leading me to the main point, the best rider needs to ..... the risks of every situation, and make the right choice. How many times this year did hayden make a mistake? He didnt. Hayden did exactly what he needed to do to have more points than any other rider, that makes him the motogp world champion, and the best motorcycle rider in the world in 2006.

I am indeed a hayden fan, but cant help but love rossi, he is a legend amongst the legends. I enjoyed haydens year but was disapointed to have the final race decided by an accident, But overall, i am just excited about next year, and think that hayden and rossi should be a little worried about the small guy on the other repsol honda. Dani pedrosa is an incredible rider, and i wouldnt be surprised if his lack of overtaking skill isnt a major problem next year, coz he'll be too far ahead to worry about that.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Franco Fangio @ Nov 5 2006, 02:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Before Valencia I would for sure have said Rossi deserved it more, cause obviously the comeback he made was simply amazing. Almost everyone thought he didnt stand a chance after Laguna Seca, so when he lead the championship going into the last race I really felt he deserved it, BUT after watching the last GP I have to say Nicky totally deserves it. I don't think he was the best one last season, he did have the most points in the end and that's what matters. Nicky was consistent and he stayed cool till the last lap, Rossi didnt, he made 2 errors in that last race. He can blame himself for losing out. Dont get me wrong, obviously if you look at the whole season Rossi finished less races and he still managed to came sooo close to taking his 8th title, that really shows his great class, but the fact is he had pole, he had the 8 point lead and he screwed it up, therefore Nicky deserves it imo. I'm really happy for the guy..I do hope Vale will win next season well actually I dont even mind who will win, I just hope it will be exciting again!!

Very well said. You say it better than I can and I totally agree, just as much as I disagree with the last part of this:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Hayden did exactly what he needed to do to have more points than any other rider, that makes him the motogp world champion, and the best motorcycle rider in the world in 2006.

I don't think there is an absolute relation between being the champion and being the best.

Wow just what we needed another thread on the same subject

Can't we just let this thread die? It's been overdebated.

Just face it, Nicky was the best this year, he had more points, he was champ...get over it people.

Last I shall post in here!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (phleg @ Nov 15 2006, 12:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Can't we just let this thread die? It's been overdebated.

Just face it, Nicky was the best this year, he had more points, he was champ...get over it people.

Last I shall post in here!


i thought we did, you just brought it back up again

Don't accuse me, if you actually looked, you would see it was the poster above me who did, get your facts right.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (phleg @ Nov 15 2006, 05:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Don't accuse me, if you actually looked, you would see it was the poster above me who did, get your facts right.

i did get them right actually..u were just the one being sarcastic and it was the person above that
i thought i would leave it seeing as i have caused such a debate on it


and i had this thread from ages ago rgvneil so u dont have to be mean about it