Who deserved to be champion?

You know if Ducati didn't switch to the 998 and Dunlop didn't .... themselves in 2002 Ben Bostrom might have been WSB champion. Ifs and buts ladies and gentlemen.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dazza @ Oct 31 2006, 09:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Would be cool, but Troy is tied up with the Dukes at WSB for the next 2 years and is likely to retire thereafter when he turns 39.

I will be interested to see how Crashy deals with the Duke next season though.

he wouldnt risk going back to moto gp , he had a pretty rubbish season on the moto gp ducati yet is a god at superbike racing, if he never goes back then he can keep the god like status he received at valencia . ducati must loveeee him x

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tinks @ Nov 1 2006, 09:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>he wouldnt risk going back to moto gp , he had a pretty rubbish season on the moto gp ducati yet is a god at superbike racing, if he never goes back then he can keep the god like status he received at valencia . ducati must loveeee him x

After Sunday's performance I wouldnt count on that! The team was different when Troy was racing with them..........the package has improved loads, just have to look at who ended up 3rd in the champs to see that

I bet Ducati wished they signed him instead of Stoner

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tinks @ Oct 31 2006, 10:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>

ooh boohoo ur totally right because u can really compare haydens (non existent) bad luck with rossi's..... vale had a carrers worth of bad luck this season

So, the fact that the clutch was a problem for Hayden THE ENTIRE SEASON is a non issue? What single problem did Rossi have every race that could not be rectified? The proble with the clutch basket was a non fixable issue. NH just had to live with it.

If it were after me then Loris would be the Champion, but if it were after a Rossi's fan the Rossi would be the on on top, if it were for a Vermeulen fan then Vermeulen would deserve it.. and so on... and that's why i'll stickto the facts and numebers

Nicky Hayden - has more points in the table wheather we liked it or not.

So..

Who deserved the Championship? My answer: Nicky Hayden

Ditto ^ but I like it!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (l13eaw @ Nov 1 2006, 01:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ditto ^ but I like it!


Hmm I like that is a different rider then Rossi but i'm not that keen on the way- less spectacular- he won it, but he's the champs so hats off to him!! Congrats Nicky hayden

yeah if it were a popularity contest there would be no contest would there?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (somedamnwriter @ Oct 31 2006, 02:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think (Note: I said, "I think") that what louzi was trying to say is that in a theoretical point of view, regardless of the points, who do you think, or at least who do you want to become the champion... (Correct me if I'm wrong louzi, this is my take on your topic)

...so, no need to be harsh or anything to anyone on the forum, okay?...

and to answer the question, if I could have that time-travel thingy, I would want rossi to win the championship simply because he proved me wrong when I thought he couldn't claw back the 51-point deficit he had back then.

u clearly understood what i woz talking about, THANKYOU!!!! i didnt want this topic to turn into an arguement, i was just interested to see who everyone else thinks 'deserved' the title, even if that be James Ellison. You r totally right and thanks agen for puttin them straight

--nd thankyou for the people who actually did understand this aswell because you did exactly what it says on the topic title --

Me personaly think that Pedrosa should of won it .

Why? Well after debating the Pedrosa Hayden incident with my brother on Sunday then starting to follow Moto GP after that and following Pedrosa. well at least I would like to see him win.

i really like pedrosa coz he is an excellent rider, hes in a chance for the title next year. after this season, he has got to know the bikes and circuits he never visited before. personally, i think that he will ride exceptionally well in the upcoming season.

in the last race, he did somehting really nice for hayden, kind of like a sorry thing lol. although i would have loved it with rossi won, it woz quite nice dont u think?

That he let Hayden through. nah I was hoping for another Estriol (I think it was)

It was nice I agree. I hope Pedrosa does win the title this season. Would be cool if he does.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mark_htfc @ Nov 1 2006, 05:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That he let Hayden through. nah I was hoping for another Estriol (I think it was)

It was nice I agree. I hope Pedrosa does win the title this season. Would be cool if he does.


that crash made my year! it woz soooo good!!! i wanted it 2 happen agen, but i didnt reeli want 2 offend people on here. now i no that every1 has a different opinion (i didnt want that to sound nasty bcoz i just thought it woz hilarious, anyway, hayden won the championship didnt he, so it doesnt matter.)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (4..louzi..2 @ Nov 1 2006, 10:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>that crash made my year! it woz soooo good!!! i wanted it 2 happen agen


Ok, now I see your growing some thickness to your skin. Nice. Now if you say something "funny" can I, without you getting butt hurt? (Without having the cavalry of those trying to “make people feel welcomed” and not sounding a bit “harsh” or “respectful” brigade coming to your aid? Excellent. I’m game.

The crash you refer to (Pedrosa taking out Hayden) sucked for me, but hey, the crash were Rossi took out Rossi, “made my year.”

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Nov 1 2006, 06:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ok, now I see your growing some thickness to your skin. Nice. Now if you say something "funny" can I, without you getting butt hurt? (Without having the cavalry of those trying to “make people feel welcomed” and not sounding a bit “harsh” or “respectful” brigade coming to your aid? Excellent. I’m game.

The crash you refer to (Pedrosa taking out Hayden) sucked for me, but hey, the crash were Rossi took out Rossi, “made my year.”


i just thought at such a crucial stage in the championship and pedrosa does that. it made my year because i really wanted rossi to win, but rossi probably didnt want 2 win by haydens accidents. i reeli dont mean to offend people but i hav my view and im sure they hav theres

wen it made my year, it was just reeli reeli reeli funny. i hav a weird sense of humour. (made my year was used as the phrase lol)

did that make sense coz i kind of confused myself doin it soz

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (4..louzi..2 @ Nov 1 2006, 10:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i just thought at such a crucial stage in the championship and pedrosa does that. it made my year because i really wanted rossi to win, but rossi probably didnt want 2 win by haydens accidents. i reeli dont mean to offend people but i hav my view and im sure they hav theres

wen it made my year, it was just reeli reeli reeli funny. i hav a weird sense of humour. (made my year was used as the phrase lol)

did that make sense coz i kind of confused myself doin it soz

Confused... But hey, relax, Hayden won the championship and now Rossi can concentrate on being a, as he put it himself, a "cartoon figure". (see his interview).

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Nov 1 2006, 06:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Confused... But hey, relax, Hayden won the championship and now Rossi can concentrate on being a, as he put it himself, a "cartoon figure". (see his interview).


i didnt mean 2 offend u if i did first time round soz. i respect that hayden won, i just would have liked to see rossi win. i do think that hayden has been majorly lucky this year, he only crashed once and as a result, he won the title. i mean, sure he had clutch problems, but that didnt affect the points much because he was still in the lead

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (4..louzi..2 @ Nov 1 2006, 10:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i didnt mean 2 offend u if i did first time round soz. i respect that hayden won, i just would have liked to see rossi win. i do think that hayden has been majorly lucky this year, he only crashed once and as a result, he won the title. i mean, sure he had clutch problems, but that didnt affect the points much because he was still in the lead


How cute, we're kissing and making up. (funny).

I really don't think that its fair to Hayden. This is why, cuz he did have many problems with his equipment which resulted in points losses for him. If you read some of the threads, people say that Hayden was at fault for not performing well but make no mention of poor performing equipment. This is significant, and this problem was not resolved for many races. Now if you think that equipment doesn't effect a racer, even Rossi said it does (and you believe him right) when he commented on the great performance of the Bridgestone tires; that is to say, the Michelins were inferior. So if your guy (Rossi) concedes that equipment is important, then why don't you think a clutch problem is that important? That is very different then “luck.” You see, I think to say somebody won by “luck” is really not fair to the winner. (Lets just say we were talking about one of your family members that spent their whole like trying to earn a degree, at their graduation, you hear somebody say, well that persons graduated because they were just “lucky.” But it was you who saw all the sacrifices, late nights, struggles, disappointments, and such, wouldn’t that get you a bit upset?)

Also you said “he only crashed once”, I think you are referring to Rossi’s crash. It’s a bit simplistic to say this was the only thing that decided the championship; because if you do, then it would have been decided in Portugal. And this was Rossi’s crash by himself, not a teammate crashing into him. So it sounds a bit hypocritical to say Hayden was “lucky” because Rossi crashed, but in other threads imply that Pedrosa’s crash into Hayden was not that big of a deal. That is to say, if you say that this is a matter of “luck.” Then not using a double standard, we could conclude, had Rossi won due to Pedrosa’s crash on Hayden, that Rossi won by “luck”. Heck, we could even say, all of Rossi’s championships were “lucky” for one reason or another. Now that wouldn’t be fair, would it?

I think its more fair to say, Hayden won in spite of the struggles he overcame.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Nov 1 2006, 07:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>How cute, we're kissing and making up. (funny).

I really don't think that its fair to Hayden. This is why, cuz he did have many problems with his equipment which resulted in points losses for him. If you read some of the threads, people say that Hayden was at fault for not performing well but make no mention of poor performing equipment. This is significant, and this problem was not resolved for many races. Now if you think that equipment doesn't effect a racer, even Rossi said it does (and you believe him right) when he commented on the great performance of the Bridgestone tires; that is to say, the Michelins were inferior. So if your guy (Rossi) concedes that equipment is important, then why don't you think a clutch problem is that important? That is very different then “luck.” You see, I think to say somebody won by “luck” is really not fair to the winner. (Lets just say we were talking about one of your family members that spent their whole like trying to earn a degree, at their graduation, you hear somebody say, well that persons graduated because they were just “lucky.” But it was you who saw all the sacrifices, late nights, struggles, disappointments, and such, wouldn’t that get you a bit upset?)

Also you said “he only crashed once”, I think you are referring to Rossi’s crash. It’s a bit simplistic to say this was the only thing that decided the championship; because if you do, then it would have been decided in Portugal. And this was Rossi’s crash by himself, not a teammate crashing into him. So it sounds a bit hypocritical to say Hayden was “lucky” because Rossi crashed, but in other threads imply that Pedrosa’s crash into Hayden was not that big of a deal. That is to say, if you say that this is a matter of “luck.” Then not using a double standard, we could conclude, had Rossi won due to Pedrosa’s crash on Hayden, that Rossi won by “luck”. Heck, we could even say, all of Rossi’s championships were “lucky” for one reason or another. Now that wouldn’t be fair, would it?

I think its more fair to say, Hayden won in spite of the struggles he overcame.


i didnt say he won it by luck, i said he had a very lucky season because not a lot of bad things happened to him and if it did, he wouldnt be champion. i wouldnt say that he won by luck because i meant it as in a way that it was good that he didnt crash so he can work hard to get his title. this is what i was reffering to, if i didnt confuse myself.

and that 1 crash wasnt for rossi, it woz 2 hayden wen dani knocked him off. wot i said about luck,its not a nasty thing. he should be proud that he is champion. and again i sed that he didnt have a lot of major difficulties, not any ones that have lost him the whole championship. if i woz reffering to him winning the whole thing from luck then i wouldnt have noted his difficulties in it. i sed he had a lucky season and other people would agree.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (4..louzi..2 @ Nov 1 2006, 12:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i sed he had a lucky season and other people would agree.

I'm doing my best to understand what your are saying, but I just think we have different perspectives I guess.

Ok. Rossi had a lucky season every time he won a championship and other people would agree (just not many on this site). Fair?