Who deserved to be champion?

have i betrayed the rossi fan club on here now?? blink.gif

no you havn't, because like me you are a race fan aswel as a rossi fan.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (machmanzx10r @ Oct 31 2006, 10:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think it's funny that some people just can't accept the fact the Nicky Hayden (an American) won the GP title. All the Rossi fans on all the different bike forums are pretty much all the same.....Well, "if" Rossi didn't crash, "if" his motor help up....blah blah blah....NH won the title getting the most points he could get out of every race except Estoril. You guys seem to think that NH was just tooling around looking for the finish line. Funny thing is, the clutch on his bike was not designed properly and the clutch basket was actually set TOO DEEP and there was nothing that HRC could about it. So, NH had to race with what he had.

NH was the best rider this year....That is why he has title. No if's, please. Look at the season as a whole. Lok at what DID transpire. You will see that NH had a more consistent season that VR.

BTW....Where's Danno???

ooh boohoo ur totally right because u can really compare haydens (non existent) bad luck with rossi's..... vale had a carrers worth of bad luck this season

Nicky didn't win the championship, "the" RC211V did..

Rossi didn't loose the championship...the M1 did...

simple.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dazza @ Oct 31 2006, 11:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well Just my 2 pence.

Silly topic??? No I do no think so everyone is entitled to start a thread no matter how silly, naive they think it is, remember there are some very new members to the sport, so we all need to make allowances for such discussions from time to time.

Plus look how many pages into the thread we are at now??? excellent thats what its all about.

Back to the topic in hand.

The last race reminded me very much of the MS/Alonso situation where MS fought back to level the score in China only to have an engine blow the following week in Japan leaving a 10 point defecit between himself and Alonso. Ok it was a tall order for Schumi to win the race and Alonso was required to either DNF or finish outside of the points to lose his title, but in this case Rossi was simply beaten by Rossi...

Yes if he had not broken down on numerous occassions, whilst leading, we may have witnessed a different end result to this season.

If Dani had not taken out Nicky at Estoril, yet again things may have been different and we would have seen Nicky with a small points cushion over Rossi going into the last race with Rossi having it all to do, which may have lead to even more exciting race.

I like both riders and I respect all riders on the grid, but Nicky proved he has what it takes, think of the intensity and bags of pressure he must have been under those last few laps.

So IMO Nicky deserves the title, but if it wasn't for the Barcelona incident, I would be certain that M & M and Capper would have been in the hunt at the end too.

As stated before, Rossi has never been in the position of fighting for the championship in the last race, this was a new experience for him and this time around it simply never went his way, but I am sure he has taken it on the chin like a True champion, and will come out with all pistons firing in 2007.

Nicky on the other hand may have a bad season, or he may simply be the Man to beat next year. Who knows...all I know is that I am going to be facing more difficulty when choosing my next " Fantasy Team.

Thats what I like most of all about this season.

It was simply unpredictable.......

i think nicky knows he'll be out of it next year which was partly why he was so gutted when he got knocked off by dani. Look at it this way other than this recent win nickys achieved nothing in moto gp other than 3/4 race wins...2 at his home track in his whole career on a respol works bike its not very impressive. Next year itll be all about pedrosa, stoner, melandri....the small light riders...people like rossi, edwards, hayden etc will struggle due to their physical size . A s well haydens never even rode a 250 before or a 500 which is what the 800s wil be more like

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Oct 31 2006, 04:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>ok i will put it in a layman term. imo if you think a post is silly then dont respond to it, to launch a scathing attack on somebody who is only asking peoples opinions is not on in my book. i also noticed when i posted my opinion to your attack you were online yet you waited untill i was offline until you posted on what i said. ummm wonderfull things these time zones.

Hey roger-m (and all the other people stuck on "silly"),

Tell me something, did I first say the topic was "silly"? Or was I agreeing with somebody else? Who was that? Maybe you should get on tem too.

Oh so now I'm suppose to wait around for your response online?

(Then where are you when I'm online.)

By the way, characterizing "silly" as an "attack", well that's just silly.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (V8GUZZI @ Oct 30 2006, 08:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hi, first post and havn't done the intro thread yet but reading this made me think. This would have been a question with more validity if it was asked going into the last race. At that point most everyone would say the best man will have the most points after the last race thinking it would be Rossi and in this way, if your choice of Rossi or Hayden doesn't come through you can't play shoulda, coulda woulda. Few would have guessed that it would be Hayden coming from the second row rubbing leather with Rossi and then as he is poised to go into the lead after 5 laps Rossi bins it with a Stoner like move back in the pack.. Rossi is the best rider ever IMHO but as the title is determined by Rider, Team, Tire, not just the rider, most points wins! I think it will seem like a short off-season with the testing of the 800's. Oh yeah, going to the 800's, I wouldn't be surprised if Stoner is a contender.

Welcome to this site, I'm new too (sort of) just two weeks.
(though you wouldn't think it from all the activity)

I agree with your post. Very insightful.

here's a nice fact about the new "Champion"..

Troy Bayliss has lead more laps in the 2006 Moto GP season than Hayden -30 to 29.

wow....what a hero...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (V8GUZZI @ Oct 30 2006, 08:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Few would have guessed that it would be Hayden coming from the second row rubbing leather with Rossi and then as he is poised to go into the lead after 5 laps Rossi bins it with a Stoner like move back in the pack..

Absolutely, but I'm thinking, it still would have been rationalized somehow.

Which now, the shoulda, coulda, woulda, is in full swing.
(especially for those that can't accept the results, and it's rather obvious who those are.)

You make an excellent point here.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (V8GUZZI @ Oct 30 2006, 08:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This would have been a question with more validity if it was asked going into the last race. At that point most everyone would say the best man will have the most points after the last race thinking it would be Rossi and in this way, if your choice of Rossi or Hayden doesn't come through you can't play shoulda, coulda woulda.

You wrote what I was trying to say, but you do it with much more eloquence.

Yes you are right, moreover, all you have to do is read last weeks threads and see how many were inclined to think was gonna be the results for this week. Many of the same are rationalizing the results now. (That’s one thing I like about this format, you can go back and see people’s inclinations and compare them to what they say now, frankly, some biases are shining through).

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Oct 31 2006, 04:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Tell me something, did I first say the topic was "silly"? Or was I agreeing with somebody else? Who was that? Maybe you should get on tem too.

I believe you said the topic was lousy...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Oct 30 2006, 11:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>must say this thread by 4..louzi is really a ‘lousy’

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To all:

I've kept out of this............but I feel that this thread is going round in circles - nit-picking at each others posts instead of getting to the point is just a waste of bandwidth.

Please keep the threads on topic and keep the nit-picking off the site - its not whats its about I'm afraid.

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Back on topic..........................

My 10p

Who deserved to be champion?

in order...

1. Hayden - he has been ultra consistent and racked up the most points. Granted, his lack of race wins is being questioned, but his 7 consecutive podiums at the start of the season re-inforces Hayden as a World Champion. If the championship was decided on race wins.........then it would be different, but its not!

Hayden races with his head, he rarely makes errors and if he feels that his limit is reached, then he wont risk pushing it - this is my opinion on the matter. When he's fast, he''s very fast.........anyone who watched Assen & Laguna will note this.

I dont particular like Hayden - but I was bloody willing him to screw the bike on Sunday - because I knew he would take flak for points collecting. This is haydens style - and it obviously works! Just like in football, differnet teams have different formations and styles >cue posts saying you cant compare footy to gp<

2. Loris Loris Cappirossi has been outstanding this year - he's a fighter and I love his riding style. He came out of the blocks fighting and has taken wins, its such a shame that he got caught up in the Catalunya crash that put him out of action............I feel if this not have happened then Loris would be 06 champ (but "what if's" can be said of every rider).

Brno was an awesome display of talent - he wiped the floor. He's consistently up the front (excepty when the 'stones arnt to clever - Estoril anyone!?) and his battle with rossi at Sepang, was bloody awesome (maybe more 'cause I was there).

Loris appears to be a genuine nice guy - he's always smiling and friendly with reporters................which is all part of the package.

3. Valentino - What can we say - the best fight back in motogp since I've been watching the series. Rossi has suffered this season.......bike, tyres, crashes.........but it's been the same for ALL of teh front runners. GP is a team sport........the rider is a cog in the wheel, people forget this and its easy to say "Rossi would have won if it wasnt for his M1 breaking down"..........that people, is racing (god I love that quote heh).

Rossi is the ultimate rider - but he's proved he has weaknesses and if the package isnt right - then he's very beatable. Look at the difference between him and Edwards - nowhere (except Assen - & prob LS, cant rememeber where he finshed at Laguna).........Rossi has the ability to go into 7th gear, and up the pace when it seems it can go no faster........he's had his fair share of fastest lasp this season - but we know this already, hell.......we've had 6 years (or is it 7 in motoGP?) of Rossi dishing out a whooping every weekend.

The man has class - but it goes to show in valencia, he cracked - I dont care about if his tyres wasnt warm - its the same for every other rider on track. He went backwards fast - he had a crap start and something wasnt right with him - it couldnt have been the bike, cause a Pole position says otherwise to me!

So there you go.

One thing for sure - its been bloody entertaining - and its been great chattingw ith everyone

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BEN @ Oct 31 2006, 08:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I believe you said the topic was lousy...

Play on words--witty. I put it in quotes 'lousy' wordplay for: "4..louzi..2"

Get it?

Was more ment to be funny (witty) than chastisment.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Oct 31 2006, 05:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Play on words--witty. I put it in quotes 'lousy' wordplay for: "4..louzi..2"

Get it?

Was more ment to be funny (witty) than chastisment.

Yes I got it thanks

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (4..louzi..2 @ Oct 30 2006, 11:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>erm...excuse me..i wasnt tryin 2 say rossi is the best, i woz just interested in other peoples views on the topic. To me, i think Rossi did deserve it, but if it wasnt him or Hayden, it has to be Capirossi. It wasn't to make everyone adore Vale like you tried to say, i was wondering after this season, who pushed themselves so much and worked soo hard to win the championship, then who do you think 'deserved' it. Like i already said, all my respect to Hayden for winning. It's just a bit of fun

Hi 4..louzi..2,

First of all, welcome to this site, I think you will enjoy it. I don't think some people gave you the credit of having the thickness of skin or articulation to be able to respond yourself. “Excuse me” for sounding a bit unsympathetic (others characterized it as harsh). But as you see, I answered your question as best I could. I just wanted to point out, as your responses kept leading back to Rossi, that it was evident that you kept coming back to Rossi, which seemed to me that you wouldn’t accept another answer that included Hayden. (which I pointed out that sounded, “bias”). FYI, I like to use wittiness in my responses, most of the time my intension is humor, but not always.

So lets get back on topic.

You say here, “Capirossi” deserved to win. Other than Hayden, I absolutely agree with you. Loris was tied with Hayden for the championship lead when his teammate crashed into him. He was hurt and wasn’t able to get into high form due to injuries. Yet he fought back and showed his strength of character as a former champ; as evidenced by his strong performances at the end of the season. I was actually hoping Loris would have come second in points to highlight the fact that he had been a contender, since no fault of his own, that he had been seriously damaged by the crash with Sete. Since before the season opened, I had thought Loris would be a contender, and after the first race in which he won, I saw that my premonition was warranted.

I must say, Bayliss’ performance was mesmerizing at Valencia. So if they are to be teammates next year for Ducati, then I think they are the team to watch.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>I must say, Bayliss’ performance was mesmerizing at Valencia. So if they are to be teammates next year for Ducati, then I think they are the team to watch.

Would be cool, but Troy is tied up with the Dukes at WSB for the next 2 years and is likely to retire thereafter when he turns 39.

I will be interested to see how Crashy deals with the Duke next season though.

(It's worth repeating on this thread.)

Hi _______ (insert you if it applies)

Not convinced it was respect you were looking for, rather perhaps something else, perhaps just simple agreement.. I think it’s just that I have called people on condescending comments, biases, and weak points, (many against Hayden), and it just hasn't played well here at this site. Which says a lot about those supposedly “offended.”

I have responded mostly to those that I thought said something “disrespectful” to me (for example, discrediting the new champ, condescending other champs, condescending me, for who is my favorite rider, etc, etc.) Yet, I have not seen the Calvary of those claiming to uphold the banner of civility and respect responding to those making such comments.

So it seems what I find “disrespectful”, is not your definition of “disrespect”. But if it’s really respect you're looking for, then I expect a plethora of chastisements owed to all those other people being condescending as well. (Even the Rossi Fans) (I’ll be looking for those responses).

But ok, let’s move on now. Can we do that? Perhaps the truth just stings too much when we are talking about our passions for our racers. How about this, if I disagree with you I will give you a big smile as I’m writing my response. Hugs and kisses to those who felt offended, but I’ll still be here to agree/disagree/debate/ and talk motorcycle racing.

(I know its Halloween, but I'm not really the monster that I've been made out to be.) (That's witty).

^ Indeed

Happy Halloween all!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dazza @ Oct 31 2006, 02:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>^ Indeed

Happy Halloween all!!

Hi Dazza,

Just wondering, who is "Crashy"?

^ Mr Casey Stoner.

die thread die !

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dazza @ Oct 31 2006, 02:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>^ Mr Casey Stoner.

Ah. He is a real talent but yes the guy hasn't found the limit between man and machine. I hope he does well for Ducati cuz I really think the brand has made a run for the championship (might have been this year).

entertaining reading folks! it's ashame these debates can't be done face to face. i fear much get's lost in the typed word & it's difficult, without seeing a persons face, hear their voice & see gestures that alot of what is typed gets misunderedstood..... time to move on me thinks.