Who deserved to be champion?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (4..louzi..2 @ Oct 30 2006, 08:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>lol i think i get what u meant, but i am trying to prove to Dan that it isn't about points, its about the way you ride. They way you ride gets you points, so i think i have proved my point, its just down to who agrees


i'm sure most will agree that if points were awarded for balls, entertainment, natural talent etc etc etc

then Rossi would be streets ahead

love him or loath him - he's arguably the greatest motorcycling talent to have lived

He is exceptionally good. But do you understand my point though?

i think so - i thought i was agreeing with so if i'm not

then err maybe i dont ?



i'll get my coat

Sorry, i dunno if u said you did, i'm tryin to make a stupid statement lol.. sorry for confusin u.

If you're wondering who deserved it more, then, well, it's gotta be Hayden this season. Simply because throughout the year he's the one that shored up most points.
If you're asking whether just because Nicky won the championship it means that he's the best rider on the grid...then I think no. He was the most consistent. And he worked bloody hard. But best rider. No. No disrespect to Nicky. I like him, I like his style and as I've mentioned before, he's got the best looking ... out there BUT I don't think he's the best rider in MotoGP. Even leaving Vale out of the equation, it remains a fact that top riders like Capirossi and Melandri had huge setbacks this season due to Gibernau-inflicted injuries. I still think the way Rossi clawed back 51 (plus 8) points while Nicky was going nowhere shows he's still the man. Bring on next season!

its not the first time theres been a caretaker champion because of a true champions bad luck, im not taking anything away from nicky,he scored the most points so he is the champion and congrats to him. but just remember who developed that bike that made him so consistant in the first place.
hayden is a world champion, rossi is a 7 times world champion.
im so looking forward to next season on the 800's i recon it will be like the rossi rc211v days,and the likes of hayden will have to prove them selves.

Lol, not much of a Hayden fan myself, but everyone has their views lol good comment though

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Oct 30 2006, 01:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>.... im not taking anything away from nicky,he scored the most points so he is the champion and congrats to him. but just remember who developed that bike that made him so consistant in the first place....

Pedrosa is on the bike Vale developed, and to a lesser extent so is the rest of the Honda stable. Nicky has been on the evo RC211V, which is closer to the new 800cc (RC212V) than the 990.

I am not taking anything away from Rossi. He is the best man on the grid for developing the bikes (look where all the other Yamahas are in the points). but you can't give him credit for the hardware Nicky raced this season.

Oops...I forgot to respond to the question of the thread...

As far as "Deserved" goes, I would have to pick Capirossi. The Dukes (even on Bridgestones) have been great all season, and if he hadn't gotten hurt, I think he would have kept up with and even passed Hayden in the points.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (svgamer @ Oct 30 2006, 10:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Pedrosa is on the bike Vale developed, and to a lesser extent so is the rest of the Honda stable. Nicky has been on the evo RC211V, which is closer to the new 800cc (RC212V) than the 990.

I am not taking anything away from Rossi. He is the best man on the grid for developing the bikes (look where all the other Yamahas are in the points). but you can't give him credit for the hardware Nicky raced this season.

Oops...I forgot to respond to the question of the thread...

As far as "Deserved" goes, I would have to pick Capirossi. The Dukes (even on Bridgestones) have been great all season, and if he hadn't gotten hurt, I think he would have kept up with and even passed Hayden in the points.
so how different is the evo rc211v from the bike rossi rode and how is it mor simular to the new 800. im very much like the masses in that i dont no a lot about the 800 but i would appreciate it if you could educate me with some facts about the bikes

All of the RC211V riders have been riding the bike Rossi helped develop in the 2002 and 2003 season.

After those seasons development went to a few different riders who had significantly less time than Rossi developing it.
Barros, then Biaggi doing the development work.
Gibernau supposedly helped but his input was minimal.

Hayden has been riding the bike Rossi developed all his MotoGP career except for this season.
He has ridden an 'evolution' bike. He has been testing parts all year long while the other Honda riders have been riding proven 2005 technology with a few updates.

We can now say that all Honda riders will be riding the bike Hayden helped to develop. With the 2008 season we will say the bike mainly Hayden with help from Pedrosa developed.

man i am big rossi fan, but let Hayden enjoy his title. This is racing things happen. I am looking forward to next year with all the new bikes and stuff

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CaptainSnow @ Oct 30 2006, 10:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>We can now say that all Honda riders will be riding the bike Hayden helped to develop. With the 2008 season we will say the bike mainly Hayden with help from Pedrosa developed.


surely the 800cc is an entirely new bike ?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dan @ Oct 30 2006, 10:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>my opinion, silly topic... the one with the most points deserved it, simple


I agree with Dan here, it’s a silly topic. But I will play the game. First of all, I must say this thread by 4..louzi is really a ‘lousy’ and thinly veiled attempt to just say you love/adore Rossi. It became evident very quickly by your several replies when the responder was not saying what you wanted to hear. You could have saved yourself the multiple responses and just said that you can’t accept anybody other than Rossi.

So lets play along:

Hayden is the Champion because he DESERVED to be the champion. That’s what you asked and that is my answer.

Now I will elaborate on why he deserved it.

First of all he ‘deserved’ it because that is how MotoGP championships are won, based on points; at the end of the season Hayden had the most. (Now if this was another event, say Dancing with the Stars, then they might award points for fan popularity, where you make it plenty obvious that you would vote for Rossi). But we are talking about MotoGP.

This is the short answer of course. But then you weren’t really satisfied with those responders that said he deserved to win because he got the most points, so you restated your question as if the responder didn’t know what the word: “deserved” meant.

So let me try to answer your question this way since you allocate a special “biased” meaning to the word “deserved.”

Again my answer is the same: Hayden DESERVED to be the champion. Here is why.

Hayden fought back from adversity just as much as Rossi did, and then some. Rossi was helped by his teammate, unlike Hayden who was taken out by his. They both suffered through mechanical problems, poor performances, and other misfortune. But at the end of the season, when the pressure was most high, Hayden performed like a true champion by any stretch of the word, simultaneously, Rossi cracked under the pressure (un-champion like) and subsequently crashed resulting in him relinquishing the championship. By the way, that pressure was applied by Hayden, who was poised to win the race at Valencia.

I suspect from your multiple responses that my answer will not be satisfactory to you; however, I will just make a few more comments on the question you posed.

If you mean by the word “deserved” you are asking who is ‘worthy of’ the championship. Then absolutely my answer is Nicky Hayden. If you mean by the word ‘deserved’ who you like most, then my answer is Hayden again, because you see that is just an opinion. Which is how you have tried to re-frame the question. Who is the best rider? Well on any given race it can fluctuate, but over a MotoGP season, the best rider is called the Champion. For this year, that person is Nicky Hayden. Therefore, Hayden is DESERVING of being the champion.

Very well done Racejumkie

I agree with Dan here, it’s a silly topic. But I will play the game. First of all, I must say this thread by 4..louzi is really a ‘lousy’ and thinly veiled attempt to just say you love/adore Rossi. It became evident very quickly by your several replies when the responder was not saying what you wanted to hear. You could have saved yourself the multiple responses and just said that you can’t accept anybody other than Rossi.

think your being a bit harsh racejumkie but then i noticed your favorate rider is hayden,i take it you not to keen on vale.
when i was at valencia i just sore nicky crusing around getting easy points then there are riders like vale ,baylis capi who ride for wins.
hayden mabe a champ but he aint my idea of a racer.

[unprovoked attack] [/unprovoked attack]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Oct 30 2006, 03:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>

think your being a bit harsh racejumkie but then i noticed your favorate rider is hayden,i take it you not to keen on vale.

when i was at valencia i just sore nicky crusing around getting easy points

then there are riders like vale ,baylis capi who ride for wins.
hayden mabe a champ but he aint my idea of a racer.

Hi Roger-m,

If I look to see who your favorite rider is, can I discredit everything else you say about any other racer too?

Comment on the merits of what I have said as a basis of your response.

Hayden may not be your idea of a racer because perhaps you need a lesson on what is racing for a title. You list Bayliss on your list of racers, as support to say that these guys really try to win. Interesting that you mention Bayliss because he too, like Hayden is the champ, and both elected to race prudently to obtain the title. Or did you not see the last few races in SBK? So if Bayliss is your definition of a racer, then you need to include Hayden on your list based on YOUR implication of what a racer is.

Do I need to list the other riders in MotoGP as my other favorites so that you can give some credence to what I say?

You say Hayden was “crusing” around. What race did you see? He was poised to win the race and challenge Bayliss when Rossi simultaneously was putting some road-rash on his bike. You might want to check the video again. His board notified him of Rossi’s crash and he did what a champion would do (as Bayliss did in SBK) and proceeded to win the championship.

I like all the MotoGP racers (also SBK &AMA), including the ones not so popular. I also like Rossi, who is an marvelous rider amongst great racer/riders.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (sb248 @ Oct 30 2006, 11:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>besides vale won more races this year alone than hayden has in his whole motogp career.

Was this ever said about Rossi in his first year as a champion in regards to the guy he had just beat? That is what many said about Carmichael when he took the championship from MaGrath. And look at what Carmichael did.

It remains to be seen, but stating the obvious as a disguised insolence in this case seems to be a ... at the NEW champ.

Can’t we give the guy his props without qualifying it with, but….

You know what racejumkie?

I like you, I like your style.
I look forward to talking to you on this forum. Debating and agreeing. Adding more flavor to this forum.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Oct 31 2006, 01:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Comment on the merits of what I have said as a basis of your response.

i think roger-m was just commenting on the basis of your response by saying you were a bit harsh by posting that to a young girl who has just joined the forum and is trying to actively join in discussions! and i agree with him.