What's Wrong with the Ducati?

stiefel

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Don't agree with all of it, but a very good take on things.

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 Thanks for your feedback, I love to know the parts you disagree, Maybe I went to a wrong direction in that point.

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Maybe the problem is letting dovi have 04 on his bike.

Big Jorge

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Maybe the problem is letting dovi have 04 on his bike.

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Scary picture.


Nicky's obviously become a hopeless Prozac junkie.  "This is fun!" :slow_en:


 


Dovi too appears to have received his 'mandatory prescription' from the Ducati shrink...

Thats not snow, thats cocaine.

So finally Gobmeier has spoken: no revolutions (good). The aluminium frame is there to stay, but it needs to be developed further. The engine has to become more tractable. In short, he basically confirmed Preziosi's roadmap.


Audi doesn't know anything about bikes so improving the bike will remain Ducati's job. Audi will give support in the form of access to some important technologies and related know how. 


And, presumably, money. <span style="font-size:14px;He could not ignore the fact that this year Ducati lost 4 sponsors, worth a total of 7 million euros. He simply said it's difficult for everybody to find and keep good sponsors.


<span style="font-size:14px;Now that's true...

mh_kingcobra

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 Thanks for your feedback, I love to know the parts you disagree, Maybe I went to a wrong direction in that point.

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Well, for starters, this of course:


 


"I'm not a Stoner's fan"


 


No, seriously though, I wouldn't say you went in a wrong direction, I'm no expert on the matter myself to begin with, and solving the Ducati's problems has been too great a challenge even for people that are. So it's all just a matter of different opinion.


 


I think you are dead on right in your analysis of the Japaneses companies' success, in short evolution rather than revolution and capitalizing on strenghts. But I'm not sure Ducati should follow the same tactic at this point in time. Since entering motogp, Ducati have always been about fast technological innovation and a thinking-outside-the-box approach. Quite often, this way of doing things has actually worked in their favor (2006, 2007, 2008 were great seasons for them). They outsmarted the Jap's at least once, and the whole story of the Ducati motogp project up to 2008/2009 should be considered an immense success.


 


As it is now, the have a motorcycle that was hastily developed to mimic the standard engineering solutions of Honda and Yamaha. Evolutionary change might see them behind the eightball for a long time.


 


However, there was a time when I believe that would have been the best approach for them: when they introduced the carbon fibre frame. I believe they should have stuck with it and gradually perfected it. A gamble perhaps, but one that may have very well paid off in the long run.

stiefel

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Well, for starters, this of course:


 


"I'm not a Stoner's fan"


 


No, seriously though, I wouldn't say you went in a wrong direction, I'm no expert on the matter myself to begin with, and solving the Ducati's problems has been too great a challenge even for people that are. So it's all just a matter of different opinion.


 


I think you are dead on right in your analysis of the Japaneses companies' success, in short evolution rather than revolution and capitalizing on strenghts. But I'm not sure Ducati should follow the same tactic at this point in time. Since entering motogp, Ducati have always been about fast technological innovation and a thinking-outside-the-box approach. Quite often, this way of doing things has actually worked in their favor (2006, 2007, 2008 were great seasons for them). They outsmarted the Jap's at least once, and the whole story of the Ducati motogp project up to 2008/2009 should be considered an immense success.


 


As it is now, the have a motorcycle that was hastily developed to mimic the standard engineering solutions of Honda and Yamaha. Evolutionary change might see them behind the eightball for a long time.


 


However, there was a time when I believe that would have been the best approach for them: when they introduced the carbon fibre frame. I believe they should have stuck with it and gradually perfected it. A gamble perhaps, but one that may have very well paid off in the long run.

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Completely agree. 


 


People think it's easy to develop a winning bike from the scratch in a game where both Honda and Yamaha are playing the cards.


 


The Japs giants got spanked by Ducati when tire rules were open. So, what to do? Develop a solution? No, that's for the losers. Change the rules and it's done!


 


Now they need to address the last problem and Ducati is completely out: the engine. Freeze engine, cut RPM and Ducati, now weaker than ever, has zero chance of giving the japs a run for their money.


 


I strongly suspect that Ducati will leave the series by 2016. We'll have to watch an all Jap league. 


 


Honda and Yamaha (specially Honda) are getting what they want.


 


Sad.

The biggest problem with Ducati is that Fil;ipo Preziosi's constant use of wheelchair as his main vehicle may have diluted his understanding of suspension and chassis dynamics. You know, the mechanism of how wheelchair works is totally different from a bike, there are no suspension. Probably it caused Felipe to design a rock solid carbon fibre chassis with no front end suspension feeling which Rossi can't ride.

Jesus. This has descended to a level of idiocy I have never seen on this board.

bluegreen

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Jesus. This has descended to a level of idiocy I have never seen on this board.

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I clicked on cuckoo's post just to see what brought that reaction. It is the most idiotic thing ever but when you consider that he is an ordinary member having a troll (cabin fever northern hemisphere boredom) that is also the funniest thing I have ever read. 


 


Interestingly on the Roth Army (where I am Barney G) we occasionally hit other sites and troll as hard as we can until we get banned. It is a lot of fun, who wants to make a trolling squad and go and annoy some recovering alcoholics or something?


 


Or is that just cruel?   

Used to bomb sites sell the time...shut down some Brocky site a couple of times in the early internet days. Same for an MG site and as mentioned before, those Stained Glass enthusiasts never stood a chance. I'm in.

leave them alone


we're worse than them and deserve it

Just Vaporise the Mofo's!


Works for me lol.


Under a influence, not saying which but very happy for it.





Mates will know lol

cuckoo bird

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The biggest problem with Ducati is that Fil;ipo Preziosi's constant use of wheelchair as his main vehicle may have diluted his understanding of suspension and chassis dynamics. You know, the mechanism of how wheelchair works is totally different from a bike, there are no suspension. Probably it caused Felipe to design a rock solid carbon fibre chassis with no front end suspension feeling which Rossi can't ride.

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That is actually rather amusing, and hence a give away, as well as the different prose style. I am beginning to suspect as others do an existing member rather than an external troll. If so, well trolled, and credit for mostly staying in character so well. 

As If the 'cuckoo bird' monicker didn't give it away...

BJ.C

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As If the 'cuckoo bird' monicker didn't give it away...

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I don't think any of us, despite our obvious deficiencies in intellect and perception in comparison with you, were in any doubt about cuckoo being a troll. If he is a regular member, even if it is you, as I said I salute him, staying in character across multiple posts using fake mangled english (somewhat inconsistently admittedly) is I would think hard to do, and certainly not something I could manage myself.

michaelm

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I don't think any of us, despite our obvious deficiencies in intellect and perception in comparison with you, were in any doubt about cuckoo being a troll. If he is a regular member, even if it is you, as I said I salute him, staying in character across multiple posts using fake mangled english (somewhat inconsistently admittedly) is I would think hard to do, and certainly not something I could manage myself.

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Don't know where you got that from. With a 5th form education, and that not really taken advantage of, I've never before been described as, or considered myself superior in "intellect and perception", although I am aware of the habits of the European Common Cuckoo.


 


But then, you forget to put a smilie in and people get their knockers firmly wedged up their crack.


 


Did someone piss in your weetbix this morning?

BJ.C

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Don't know where you got that from. With a 5th form education, and that not really taken advantage of, I've never before been described as, or considered myself superior in "intellect and perception", although I am aware of the habits of the European Common Cuckoo.


 


But then, you forget to put a smilie in and people get their knockers firmly wedged up their crack.


 


Did someone piss in your weetbix this morning?

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Apologies. Something like that, yes.

Just wondering about Cuckoo's opinion on Hector Barbera?

After all is said and done, Ducati's only problem may just be the tires.


 


From Cycle World:


 


Bernhard Gobmeier, general manager, Ducati Corse:<span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial, Tahoma, Verdana;font-size:12px; “The information that I have gotten from Bridgestone is that they don’t change anything. That means we have to adapt the bike to this specific tire configuration, which is very hard. Normally, the issues that we have, Bridgestone could solve within two weeks—easily, with no problem. But they won’t change anything. We are spending one hundred times the money, one thousand times the money, in order to fix what they could fix at no cost in two weeks.”


 


<span style="font-size:14px;<span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial, Tahoma, Verdana;Gobmeier is spot on imo. It's not just Ducati. Honda had a problem with their new tire last year that was eventually solved, albeit probably costing them the championship in the process. <span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial, Tahoma, Verdana;font-size:14px;Sooner or later in MotoGP they'll have to deal with this Bridgestone fundamentalist phylosophy of maximum performance, at the cost of compatibility with different bike designs (which should be the real mission of a single tire supplier).  It is as if Bridgestone are still trying to win a tire war, when all opponents have already quit. Both WSBK and F1 have completely abandoned this absolute performance approach when it comes to tires, preferring tires that perform less, but are widely compatible and do not penalize any manufacturer.