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Not the same? -- explain why it would be different then. Amuse us some more.



Do not blame me for the hole you have put yourself in.
 
It isn't criticism, it is stating facts. Letting such actions ride because "almost every major European power engaged in similar conduct" is .........

Stating facts can be done in a critical manner - refer to your first post on this topic. There is no dichotomy, as you claim.



Also, no-one is "letting such actions ride because others engaged in such conduct" - you are imputing a point to me (or J4rno - your language is imprecise) that we haven't made. The fact that Italy engaged in war crimes is is abhorrent and continues to do be so, irrespective of how widespread it is.



We are not excusing such conduct by stating that it was widespread. We are saying that given that it is widespread and almost every prominent actor in the said conflicts engaged in similar conduct, any attempt to only depict Italy or Italians negatively for such conduct is ineffective and logically flawed.
 
At least no Duc engines let go like Spies Yamaha.



I guess no one on a Duc was pushing like Spies either
 
Doesn't Loris know that Rossi has only ever won anything because of preferential treatment, special gear and divine intervention......it's true! Loris needs to come to PS more often, I think he's deluded...

Doesnt Loris know as the safety advisor to DORNA he's supposed to be unbiased towards all riders, think of them as equals, and act like a professional not a fanboy?
 
Doesnt Loris know as the safety advisor to DORNA he's supposed to be unbiased towards all riders, think of them as equals, and act like a professional not a fanboy?



He is supposed to be unbiased towards the safety of all riders. He can still be a fan of one.
 
He is supposed to be unbiased towards the safety of all riders. He can still be a fan of one.



In public comments? He should be telling us how he has solved the tire problems at Assen not sucking Rossi's you know what.
 
Furusawa's account of his trip to Italy

(from MotoMatters.com):



http://motomatters.c...siting_ita.html



Great article - good catch!



The most telling statement: "[font=verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif][background=rgb(252, 252, 252)]After that - I mean, in 2015 or later - , I may possibly be able to do some consulting, however, Valentino will already have retired from MotoGP by then."[/background][/font]
 
He is supposed to be unbiased towards the safety of all riders. He can still be a fan of one.



All employees of DORNA should (in public) be unbiased at all times irrespective of what their own personal/private feelings may well be.



Capirossi is the safety advisor and therefore an employee (of sorts) of DORNA and as such his public utterances should at all times reflect his need to represent himself us unbiased. Without that he opens himself up to accusations and allegations that he may not be looking out for the best interests of ALL riders (an allegation that was first labelled against him late last year on his appointment)
 
All employees of DORNA should (in public) be unbiased at all times irrespective of what their own personal/private feelings may well be.



Capirossi is the safety advisor and therefore an employee (of sorts) of DORNA and as such his public utterances should at all times reflect his need to represent himself us unbiased. Without that he opens himself up to accusations and allegations that he may not be looking out for the best interests of ALL riders (an allegation that was first labelled against him late last year on his appointment)



They should sack him then
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oh wait can't do that, its MotogpVR.........
 
In public comments? He should be telling us how he has solved the tire problems at Assen not sucking Rossi's you know what.



What, the tyre problems that forced a particular rider out of the race?



I'm sure you would have also immeadiately jumped onto him and said the same thing if Loris made that statement in regards to Stoner........
 
They should sack him then
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oh wait can't do that, its MotogpVR.........



Talps, your need for Rossi love is back so I see, good for you.





But (and I am serious here) if Capirossi is not able to be unbiased then yes, he should be removed from his position.





Let me ask it this way.



If a Clerk of Course/Steward publically stated that they thought Marquez (using him as the example) was a perfectly safe and incredibly skilled rider whi has never caused an issue with other riders who need to HTFU. Would it then be fair for that CoC/Steward to be the decision maker in incidents involving Marquez?
 
Capi is not a clerk of the course or a steward. He has no direct influence on the outcome of a race. He can say whatever he likes.
 
What, the tyre problems that forced a particular rider out of the race?



I'm sure you would have also immeadiately jumped onto him and said the same thing if Loris made that statement in regards to Stoner........

Stoner is losing the championship this year because two other riders are better than him. No excuses, no blowing sunshine up his arse.



Try saying it for yourself one time in your life, you might feel a weight off your shoulders.
 
I would put it that Stoner is losing because two other riders are more consistent.



Stoner crashed out in an ambitious move at Sachsenring, but four wins and four poles doesn't equate to Lorenzo and Pedrosa being 'better'.



Had a failure of any sort sidelined Pedrosa, Stoner would be ahead of him in points.



I'm sure that any of the top three are on a par and at any track, any of the three could win.



Stoner's result last week was brave, but his injury lost him a lot of points and this week's absence has cost him any chance of a championship.



I suspect your assessment has more to do with bias than a honest appraisal of the top three riders.
 
Capi is not a clerk of the course or a steward. He has no direct influence on the outcome of a race. He can say whatever he likes.



But he has a direct income on the development of tyres etc and other aspects that are aimed at reducing costs and as such he should shut up.



His role is not relevant, his employer is
 
I wonder what would have been the reaction if Capi had said that Lorenzo is the best. Probably no reaction at all -- just an opinion, uh?

Rossi may be declining, but all things related to him still have this power of stirring reactions like no other rider.

The interview was given in Italian to an Italian daily paper, which can explain partly why Loris spoke a little carelessly like that; but the point is that someone picked it up from there, translated it and gave it all this (undeserved) relevance.
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But he has a direct income on the development of tyres etc and other aspects that are aimed at reducing costs and as such he should shut up.



His role is not relevant, his employer is



I think you have misunderstood Capirossi's role.



He is a safety advisor to MotoGP, employed by Dorna, whose specific task is rider safety and to be the focus and act as liaison between Dorna, the riders and the tyre supplier - in this case, Bridgestone.



This is on the back of the work he did as the rider representative to the Safety Commission since 2003. During which time, he never missed a meeting or a committee. A pretty good record for 11 years and the main reason Ezpeleta appointed him.



His salary is fixed. His brief is rider safety.



He is respected by the teams, the riders, the manufacturers and Bridgestone.



His role has nothing to do with costs. Tyre costs are fixed in the fee the teams pay to IRTA (not Dorna) to compete. Those costs were negotiated between Bridgestone, IRTA and Dorna when the contract to supply was given.



I have no feeling either way as to the appropriateness of Capirossi's comments - he is a personal friend of those involved. I don't think he was speaking as a representative of Dorna.
 

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