You are so ....... aggressive it's hard to want to do anything other than tell you to go .... yourself. You seem to equate aggression and shouting with being right.
You're wrong - Ducati race to win. End of conversation.
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You are so ....... aggressive it's hard to want to do anything other than tell you to go .... yourself. You seem to equate aggression and shouting with being right.
You're wrong - Ducati race to win. End of conversation.
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Not sure you have it dead right there, I think thats a bit of a grey area with Ducati. Stoner made it look like the case fore sure, however when they hired Rossi, it had to be in doubt. Since they have tried to keep Rossi, despite absolutely atrocious results, that kinda says they just want a name out there for marketing. Had they ditched Rossi earlier it would have said "results matter", but the whole Rossi fiasco has indicated the opposite ....... ergo the racing to win does not matter.
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Who is shouting? You have contributed nothing but teams race to win or for social life. Then to back up your statement that I am wrong you quoted your 20 years of racing experience against my, as you put it, bench racing. Now who is being aggressive?
I have stated several reasons and examples of why and who goes racing for reasons other than winning. You have backed up your argument that I am wrong with nothing. I am not going to sit here and suck your .... because you think you are great. Put up or shut up. Telling me I am wrong is not stating a case that deserves respect.
Telling me to go .... myself is about the level of discussion you have contributed so far. Surely after 20 years of racing and all this knowledge you allege to possess you should be able to put me in my place with out resorting to such childish responses as "you are wrong", "you know nothing" and "go .... yourself".
Barry just laid out another reason that is pretty solid as to why Ducati don't go racing to win. I was going to use it previously but didn't want to lay out a reason for the boppers to attack. Who here thinks Rossi has any chance of winning on a Ducati in the next 12mths? What about the next 2 seasons? Well why did they offer him stacks of cash if he wasn't ever going to win? Don't tell me "to fix the bike". You and others argue they aren't listening to him any way so this can not be the reason.
Don't waste my time if you have nothing but "believe me" because so far you have no credibility.
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Of course. That is my point. Exactly how many races has Nicky run on a 250/Moto2?
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All the Hayden boys were magic on 600's, Nicky would wipe the floor with Redding on a Moto2 bike. They suit his style better than a GP bike.
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really?ok i know the moto2 clutches provoke the back stepping out with their almost uncontrollable back torque(BM plz stay out of this) hence making backing it in a very valuable technique. but i thought other than that nicky main advantage was powering out of corners a bit loose so i'd think a big 4 stroke with a lot of engine braking and torque would be his ideal machine.
.... slipper clutches and fuel injection with closed throttle btw
.... slipper clutches and fuel injection with closed throttle btw
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One season! A season that's not even finished against a diminished field I'd say. Checa ran away with the title recently on a machine that was far down on power. There's a talent gap in SBK in my opinion. That explains much... There are few true combatants in SBK.
BMW is making headway but I think it's a bit too early to sing their praises just yet. They have no pedigree at this point.
I agree Melandri is making the difference right now. Nobody is saying they have totally proven themselves yet, just seems a bit harsh to say they aren't all that successful in WSBK. To come from nothing in a few years to where they are now is pretty great imo.
You could say the same for Kawasaki btw.
You could say the same for Kawasaki btw.
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I don't watch to much SBK or keep up with the tech but aren't BMW also doing their own electronics. If they are I would say they are doing damn good and they still had to build a bike that could be exploited by their rider.
I've always stated that its admirable that Ducati are in Motogp at all, that being said, when you hire a rider of Rossi's unmatched status you must be prepared to produce the goods-Ducati have not, and were never in a position to (mainly due to ridiculous regs) as many of us stated in 2010 when Rossi signed. And when Masao stated that Rossi was 'too good' for Ducati only a forlorn hope of any success for this partnership remained for the well-informed.
Ducati have been lulled into an extremely false sense of security since 2006-2007, Stoner's style, Bridgestone's bespoke rubber in 06-08, and a major reg upheaval seemed to create an arrogance around the machine which is only now being slapped out of them. The tell tail signs were there in 2008 when Rossi got Bridgestones and whipped them immediately, this snowballed in 2009-2010. The odd win by Stoner, amongst a myriad of crashes and midpack finishes-whilst Hayden, Capa or Marco were flailing at the very back and sat machines consistently finishing last-ish, still didn't convince them that major upending of the design was required.....to their credit they did do the Carbon chassis thing and the big bang engine, however building one bike at the start of the season and then not really changing it throughout the season is not the philosophy required to win Motogp championships, the perfect storm of 2007 allowed for this, and that ghost has still influenced their thinking up till now.
IMO Rossi's strength has always been to setup a bike to cater to his strengths, to make the bike work almost perfectly on corner entry so he can execute passes better than most, thus he has never really qualified well-yet has a history of coming through the field. He has always been a rider who hasn't had to be the 'fastest' across a single lap to win, his strength is in his race craft, and this requires a design team and machine which is extremely well-balanced, the Yamaha has proven to be the best at this, even consistently falling short on top speed and power has only really hindered the M1's success a couple of times in the last 8 years or so, 2007-2011 being the more obvious examples.
The Ducati as we know is the opposite of the M1, I guess Rossi and JB felt as though it wouldn't take too much to get the design team to implement successful changes once accurate feedback was given.......this will always remain the biggest miscalculation of both of their careers IMO.
Ducati have been lulled into an extremely false sense of security since 2006-2007, Stoner's style, Bridgestone's bespoke rubber in 06-08, and a major reg upheaval seemed to create an arrogance around the machine which is only now being slapped out of them. The tell tail signs were there in 2008 when Rossi got Bridgestones and whipped them immediately, this snowballed in 2009-2010. The odd win by Stoner, amongst a myriad of crashes and midpack finishes-whilst Hayden, Capa or Marco were flailing at the very back and sat machines consistently finishing last-ish, still didn't convince them that major upending of the design was required.....to their credit they did do the Carbon chassis thing and the big bang engine, however building one bike at the start of the season and then not really changing it throughout the season is not the philosophy required to win Motogp championships, the perfect storm of 2007 allowed for this, and that ghost has still influenced their thinking up till now.
IMO Rossi's strength has always been to setup a bike to cater to his strengths, to make the bike work almost perfectly on corner entry so he can execute passes better than most, thus he has never really qualified well-yet has a history of coming through the field. He has always been a rider who hasn't had to be the 'fastest' across a single lap to win, his strength is in his race craft, and this requires a design team and machine which is extremely well-balanced, the Yamaha has proven to be the best at this, even consistently falling short on top speed and power has only really hindered the M1's success a couple of times in the last 8 years or so, 2007-2011 being the more obvious examples.
The Ducati as we know is the opposite of the M1, I guess Rossi and JB felt as though it wouldn't take too much to get the design team to implement successful changes once accurate feedback was given.......this will always remain the biggest miscalculation of both of their careers IMO.
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The one thousands are being ridden just like the 8oo's. They are not point and shoot. If your riding it like that, your going backwards
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wasn't referring to the 1000cc gp bikes,see my dismissive stance on their nature in corner entry.
my point is that a 600cc should be more about corner speed than say a stock 1000
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All the Hayden boys were magic on 600's, Nicky would wipe the floor with Redding on a Moto2 bike. They suit his style better than a GP bike.
Not exactly sure wtf your talking about, but i cllearly said they suited his style better than GP bike. Put down the pipe bro, its clouding your senses.
Rossi is out-doing his team-mate - why would they fire him? Let Hayden go first...
If Ducati are racing for corporate pr, they are doing a mighty ...... job of it. Their reputation is in tatters.
What part of "the conversation ends here" did you actually mean?
Have the courage of your own convictions...
Then your point is lost on me.
You seem to be saying that a 9-year veteran of MotoGP would beat a rookie and that's meant to be a surprise?
What would be a surprise would be when Redding spanked him, like Bradl has.
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a.)i'm talking about big superbikes probably being even better for him
b.) don't appreciate it when out of nowhere this "put the pipe down" comes up.bud=wisdom
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