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Geonerd said:
After throwing darts at carbon fiber, the twin-beam frame design, and elsewhere ( with little effect), Rossi has now singled out the engine as the next thing that "Must be changed!" The press repeats the meme, and soon everyone is bitching about that terrible 90 degree Flintstone-era lump.
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I'm not at all convinced that reducing the V angle from 90 to 72 (or whatever) will magically transform the machine. From what I understand, an overall engine rework that will allow more flexible swingarm pivot placement is probably needed, but shifting one cylinder bank an inch is, in itself, unlikely to 'cure' anything.
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How do you think you do that ? How much more do you think they can pivot the engine around counter shaft before one of the heads gets in the way of something besides a radiator. Making the engine smaller lets you move it around more in the chassis, that's common sense.
 
J4rn0 said:
He's a big guy, disadvantaged by his weight.

Tough life in the lower classes with underpowered bikes.MotoGp could be where he'll do his best.
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He is a bout the same size as Marco was, and Sic dominated on a 250, a bike that was a lot more sensitive to weight than the 600's. .
 
povol said:
He is a bout the same size as Marco was, and Sic dominated on a 250, a bike that was a lot more sensitive to weight than the 600's. .
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What is your definition of word dominated?



BTW the he finished 10th in 06,07, 1st in 08 and 3rd in 09, you hardly use word dominated for this.
 
inam said:
What is your definition of word dominated?



BTW the he finished 10th in 06,07, 1st in 08 and 3rd in 09, you hardly use word dominated for this.
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Call it what you will, he was the dominant rider in 08 and 09 and the number one pick for GP. He had 12 wins in those two years. Missing the opener in 09 more than likely cost him his second title. No offense to Ayoma, but he was no where near the rider Marco was, and that proved out in GP. Redding has zero wins in his 3rd season of Moto2. Those numbers dont have GP success written all over
 
It is hard to tell the performance of the current Ducati because Rossi isnt pushing it hard enough
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Kropot tweeted this about a Redding interview



Interesting detail from @bennetts_bike interview with @Reddingpower on the Ducati: [it's] 25kg over and most of that&rsquo;s from engine weight



WTF If thats correct well say no more ROFLMAO



http://www.bennetts.co.uk/bennetts-news/latest-news/scott-reddings-2012-mid-season-review/



FULL Q-A ^^^^^^^^



3. The power delivery on the GP12 has been a troublesome for Valentino and Nicky this season, could you understand what the issues are with this or was everything so new that it was all alien?

I think a lot of the issues are down to the weight in the engine. They&rsquo;re 25kg over and most of that&rsquo;s coming from the engine weight which makes the transfer of the weight into and out of the corners harder. But I thought the traction wasn&rsquo;t that bad.





8. And moving onto how your 2012 campaign is going, how would you describe your season so far in just 3 words?

Not. That. Bad.
 
25kg over weight? Thats 55.11 lbs in American. Thats ...... up, its like riding with Pedrosa as a passenger!



No wonder the Duc sux
 
Lets Say the Honda is on the motogp weight limit 157kg



The Ducati is 25kg over weight = 182kg





Stoner Weighs 58kg combined 215kg



Pedrosa weighs 47kg Combined 204kg



Rossi weighs 67kg combined 249kg



Hayden weighs 69kg Combined 251kg





working on that Hayden has a deficit of 47kg (Pedrosa;s weight) around 104lb TO Pedrosa himself LOL



yeah Curve Carrying Peddler as pillion the whole race
 
sure that its not 2.5 guys?

can't imagine their gp machine being that much heavier than the 1198 wsbk
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hawkdriver said:
How do you think you do that ? How much more do you think they can pivot the engine around counter shaft before one of the heads gets in the way of something besides a radiator. Making the engine smaller lets you move it around more in the chassis, that's common sense.
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No ...., but there is zero proof that the engine's overall dimensions are getting in the way. I seem to recall Prezzy saying that the front cylinder-to-radiator clearance was not an issue. So far, Ducati hasn't even re-spun their 90 degree with modified countershaft locations, etc. One thing at a time, eh? At this time, there's no point in changing the V angle.



A narrower angle might not be a bad thing, but anyone who suggests it will magically transform the bike has probably been drinking too much yellow Kool Aid.
 
cliché guevara said:
sure that its not 2.5 guys?

can't imagine their gp machine being that much heavier than the 1198 wsbk
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Gotta be!

There's no way the bike, with or without ballast, is 60 pounds heavier than the others on the grid.
 
I'm fairly sure that if the bike was 25kg overweight, we would have heard about it. No way would that have been allowed to slip through. 2.5kg I can believe.
 
Geonerd said:
No ...., but there is zero proof that the engine's overall dimensions are getting in the way. I seem to recall Prezzy saying that the front cylinder-to-radiator clearance was not an issue. So far, Ducati hasn't even re-spun their 90 degree with modified countershaft locations, etc. One thing at a time, eh? At this time, there's no point in changing the V angle.



A narrower angle might not be a bad thing, but anyone who suggests it will magically transform the bike has probably been drinking too much yellow Kool Aid.
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No one ever said the narrow engine would magically transform the bike but it would give a much larger amount of adjustability.

Go look at bike specs from 990 to now and tell me which bike still has a long wheelbase and low CG, then tell me which bike is shity in the corners and in agility change of direction. If the word of Aprillia, Honda, Yamaha, and Suzuki who have all said the 90 degree engine is not optimal because of balance and the longer wheelbase required to fit the engine than I don't know what else to say to you. It seems your problem is with the yellow koolaid drinkers instead of Ducati who haven't delivered the one thing at a time as you say. The crew asked for the engine to be changed in January and it still hasn't been done. Back to the wheel base, maybe this simple picture will help you understand why a smaller engine is much easier to package and get a smaller wheelbase out of.

3513391658_952cdf2663.jpg
 
povol said:
. He came on the scene 5 years ago with a roar and has done nothing since. 1 win in 5 years, and that was in his first year. Mediocre to bad finishes in the championship, Im not feeling it.
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Yeah, his figures are only just one race better than Hayden over the last 5 years...



He must really be crap.
 
Zootalaws said:
Yeah, his figures are only just one race better than Hayden over the last 5 years...



He must really be crap.
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Didnt say he was crap, all of these guys are great riders. He just has not shown the pedigree to be considered for a GP ride. Nicks pedigree shows him winning big at every step on his way to GP, Redding just hasnt done that. Like i said, its a rare bird that doesnt compete at the front of lower classes, then magically transforms into a front running GP rider. You look at Marquez, Ianonne, Luthi, Espargaro, Its rare that they are not fast and at the front, you look at Redding, its rare that he is. I guess we need to clarify what " going to do well" means
 
hawkdriver said:
No one ever said the narrow engine would magically transform the bike but it would give a much larger amount of adjustability.

Go look at bike specs from 990 to now and tell me which bike still has a long wheelbase and low CG, then tell me which bike is shity in the corners and in agility change of direction. If the word of Aprillia, Honda, Yamaha, and Suzuki who have all said the 90 degree engine is not optimal because of balance and the longer wheelbase required to fit the engine than I don't know what else to say to you. It seems your problem is with the yellow koolaid drinkers instead of Ducati who haven't delivered the one thing at a time as you say. The crew asked for the engine to be changed in January and it still hasn't been done. Back to the wheel base, maybe this simple picture will help you understand why a smaller engine is much easier to package and get a smaller wheelbase out of.

3513391658_952cdf2663.jpg
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Maybe Ducati have not changed the engine because they won a WC with it and a significant number of races over a period of time with it despite less resources than the other teams.



Maybe Ducati have not changed the engine because the feedback and requests they have received in regards to the chassis have not turned into improvements in the results.



Maybe Ducati have not changed the engine because they simply don't want to.



Maybe they have not changed the engine because they know that maximum effort has not been applied to what they have already delivered to the race team and they are suspicious that f they deliver a new engine and the rider just doesn't feel good on it then the lack of effort and the blame will just continue despite all the effort to accommodate it.



I am completely over this 100% blame on Ducati for the results. The bike was a race winning bike in its 2010 big bang and CF specification. In its pre 2010 screamer and trellis frame specification it was a WC winning bike. The only thing that changed was the rider.
 
Well hell, in that case maybe all those front end falls were Stoner's fault then. & They didn't make any changes with him because it was all his fault.



& on, & on, & on...
 

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