Honda RC212V by far to me... it just needs a good development team and two great riders.
What's the POTENTIALLY best bike?
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Well being that I am a Ducati guy I have to disagree with you there. Even though the bike is a bit difficult to ride at the moment. That does't mean the next few things might make it better. The engine is easily the best one out there in terms of power. But I think everyone will just about say the Yamaha is the best bike cause of Rossi and the rest of the riders doing decent on it so far this year.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Sep 7 2009, 01:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well being that I am a Ducati guy I have to disagree with you there. Even though the bike is a bit difficult to ride at the moment. That does't mean the next few things might make it better. The engine is easily the best one out there in terms of power. But I think everyone will just about say the Yamaha is the best bike cause of Rossi and the rest of the riders doing decent on it so far this year.
Well, Ducati's the pride of us Italians, but I think it's still a bit difficult to ride... Yamaha's now the best bike, but I believe the Honda with Rossi, Lorenzo or Stoner could be better... just my impression
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Sep 7 2009, 01:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi and the rest of the riders doing decent on it
Well, Ducati's the pride of us Italians, but I think it's still a bit difficult to ride... Yamaha's now the best bike, but I believe the Honda with Rossi, Lorenzo or Stoner could be better... just my impression
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Sep 7 2009, 01:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi and the rest of the riders doing decent on it
Yamaha is far and away the best ride this season; however, it will be interesting to see what happens in 2010 after the engine rules are put in place. Six engines for an entire season doesn't sound very promising for the Yamaha squad, they've already been complaining about lack of power under the current engine rules (5 engines for 7 races).
Next year I think Honda will have the advantage. Honda's pneumatic engine has always been an urban myth of sorts. Early reports said the engine was nearly unbeatable, but after the engine showed up, Honda revealed that the engine had to be run very lean in the mid-rev ranges in order to help the bike get across the finish line. If the manufacturers are required to reduce peak revs to improve reliability, the RC212V may finally show what it's capable of.
Next year I think Honda will have the advantage. Honda's pneumatic engine has always been an urban myth of sorts. Early reports said the engine was nearly unbeatable, but after the engine showed up, Honda revealed that the engine had to be run very lean in the mid-rev ranges in order to help the bike get across the finish line. If the manufacturers are required to reduce peak revs to improve reliability, the RC212V may finally show what it's capable of.
Looks like the M1 is lacking a little straight line speed compared to the RCV maybe Yamaha have been a bit to conservative backing down the power with the limited engines rule? Looked like Lorenzo could barely stay in Dani's slipstream on Sunday.Although Dani does weigh feck all so perhaps it was just that?Also wasn't Edwards complaning after Indy theyd knocked off the power too much.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Squarewheel @ Sep 6 2009, 11:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well, Ducati's the pride of us Italians, but I think it's still a bit difficult to ride... Yamaha's now the best bike, but I believe the Honda with Rossi, Lorenzo or Stoner could be better... just my impression
It is obvious that the Yam is so far this year the class of the field. I just was on MOTOGP.com and the lead story for today had a little tidbit for us Italians. He likes to tease his current employer but ya know how it is for loyalty as well. I think Vale' might have something to say about the desmosedici, especially after ducati is staring to understand that the bike isn't as great as it was only a short while ago. In Vale's book he wanted to go to Ducati but it just came down to the same philisophical view that honda soured him with. So maybe now Ducati isn't as hardheaded as they were? I really hope so!
It is obvious that the Yam is so far this year the class of the field. I just was on MOTOGP.com and the lead story for today had a little tidbit for us Italians. He likes to tease his current employer but ya know how it is for loyalty as well. I think Vale' might have something to say about the desmosedici, especially after ducati is staring to understand that the bike isn't as great as it was only a short while ago. In Vale's book he wanted to go to Ducati but it just came down to the same philisophical view that honda soured him with. So maybe now Ducati isn't as hardheaded as they were? I really hope so!
YAMAHA riders are first and second on the championship (by a nice margin).
First privateer bike in the standing is a YAMAHA (Colin Edwards)
Lorenzo turned down a 8.5M offer from Ducati to stay in YAMAHA.
Pedrosa openly says he wanted to go to YAMAHA and has only signed 1 year with Honda hoping for a free seat in Yamaha in 2010.
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The Yamaha is obviously the best bike.
First privateer bike in the standing is a YAMAHA (Colin Edwards)
Lorenzo turned down a 8.5M offer from Ducati to stay in YAMAHA.
Pedrosa openly says he wanted to go to YAMAHA and has only signed 1 year with Honda hoping for a free seat in Yamaha in 2010.
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The Yamaha is obviously the best bike.
The potential in the Yamaha must be by far the lowest of them all if the bike is just half as good as you all suggest. Any better now and it will land graciously on the moon and that I doubt will happen.
Suzuki must be the one with potential, big potential.
Suzuki must be the one with potential, big potential.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Sep 7 2009, 05:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The potential in the Yamaha must be by far the lowest of them all if the bike is just half as good as you all suggest. Any better now and it will land graciously on the moon and that I doubt will happen.
Suzuki must be the one with potential, big potential.
I don't see it. I mean it has been how long and they just never do much at all. THey are almost as bad as Kawi. It is nothing against Suzuki cause the obviously make a great superbike but they just for some reason don't do well in the GP's. Maybe next year the rider will do something but you have to say Capi is no slouch either.
Suzuki must be the one with potential, big potential.
I don't see it. I mean it has been how long and they just never do much at all. THey are almost as bad as Kawi. It is nothing against Suzuki cause the obviously make a great superbike but they just for some reason don't do well in the GP's. Maybe next year the rider will do something but you have to say Capi is no slouch either.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Sep 7 2009, 10:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't see it. I mean it has been how long and they just never do much at all. THey are almost as bad as Kawi. It is nothing against Suzuki cause the obviously make a great superbike but they just for some reason don't do well in the GP's. Maybe next year the rider will do something but you have to say Capi is no slouch either.
I agree, my point were only that they do have a huge potential, but I doubt they will be able to realize it, and among those with winning potential I think the RCV are the hottest bet right now, except that it already show a lot more than potential, it already show an awesome power output with the new engine restrictions. If they can build on that for next year and sort out some of the chassi issues they have a winner, nothing less.
I agree, my point were only that they do have a huge potential, but I doubt they will be able to realize it, and among those with winning potential I think the RCV are the hottest bet right now, except that it already show a lot more than potential, it already show an awesome power output with the new engine restrictions. If they can build on that for next year and sort out some of the chassi issues they have a winner, nothing less.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Sep 7 2009, 10:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't see it. I mean it has been how long and they just never do much at all. THey are almost as bad as Kawi. It is nothing against Suzuki cause the obviously make a great superbike but they just for some reason don't do well in the GP's. Maybe next year the rider will do something but you have to say Capi is no slouch either.
I agree, my point were only that they do have a huge potential, but I doubt they will be able to realize it, and among those with winning potential I think the RCV are the hottest bet right now, except that it already show a lot more than potential, it already show an awesome power output with the new engine restrictions. If they can build on that for next year and sort out some of the chassi issues they have a winner, nothing less.
I agree, my point were only that they do have a huge potential, but I doubt they will be able to realize it, and among those with winning potential I think the RCV are the hottest bet right now, except that it already show a lot more than potential, it already show an awesome power output with the new engine restrictions. If they can build on that for next year and sort out some of the chassi issues they have a winner, nothing less.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teomolca @ Sep 7 2009, 03:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Lorenzo turned down a 8.5M offer from Ducati to stay in YAMAHA.
Pedrosa openly says he wanted to go to YAMAHA and has only signed 1 year with Honda hoping for a free seat in Yamaha in 2010.
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The Yamaha is obviously the best bike.
The yamaha is the best bike now, which may mean it has less potential as babelfish argues, and going to yamaha is unlikely to win anyone a world championship whilst valentino is still there anyway. If all these moves are based on an expectation that he will retire at the end of next year then it might not remain the best bike, especially if jb left as well.
The current ducati is reputedly largely at the end of its development path, to the extent that there is speculation that ducati might abandon desmo valves. I don't regard the suzuki as having much potential either given that they have had an excellent development rider for 2 years and that I have seen little evidence for close to the last decade that they have the technical resources, or the financial resources and/or will to use them required to develop a race winning bike.
So I would agree with honda having the most potential. If my intepretation of machine translated italian is vaguely accurate, in the announcement of the one year contracts for next year honda are saying that their problem is optimising the bike for bridgestones and that if rossi or stoner are interested then they would be too
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Pedrosa openly says he wanted to go to YAMAHA and has only signed 1 year with Honda hoping for a free seat in Yamaha in 2010.
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The Yamaha is obviously the best bike.
The yamaha is the best bike now, which may mean it has less potential as babelfish argues, and going to yamaha is unlikely to win anyone a world championship whilst valentino is still there anyway. If all these moves are based on an expectation that he will retire at the end of next year then it might not remain the best bike, especially if jb left as well.
The current ducati is reputedly largely at the end of its development path, to the extent that there is speculation that ducati might abandon desmo valves. I don't regard the suzuki as having much potential either given that they have had an excellent development rider for 2 years and that I have seen little evidence for close to the last decade that they have the technical resources, or the financial resources and/or will to use them required to develop a race winning bike.
So I would agree with honda having the most potential. If my intepretation of machine translated italian is vaguely accurate, in the announcement of the one year contracts for next year honda are saying that their problem is optimising the bike for bridgestones and that if rossi or stoner are interested then they would be too
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Babel is pretty much spot on here. The Yamaha is at its peak, it won't get any stronger in comparison to the Honda or Ducati. Ducati are too much of an enigma to guess. The bike with the most potential is the 212. This year they were severely hindered by Pedrosa's injuries and Dovi getting comfortable with the team, they lost a lot of valuable testing time. Even so, they look to be very quick motorcycles and they will only improve as the season progresses and so long as Pedrosa is healthy for testing.
Honda has always had the money and the intelligence to develop the bikes, they just need someone who can offer the right feedback. I think Pedrosa could well do the job, he just needs to be healthy come testing.
Honda has always had the money and the intelligence to develop the bikes, they just need someone who can offer the right feedback. I think Pedrosa could well do the job, he just needs to be healthy come testing.
I really hate agreeing with Babel, simply because I like arguing with him but the basics of what he says are correct.
The bike with the most potential is the one performing to the least of it now and logic would say that this would be the Pramac Ducati of Nicola Canepa as he is last in the title chase when other 'part timers' are excluded.
If you wat to talk from a team perspective then the Pramac Ducati are again at the back of the field when Scot and Gibbers are removed.
Now, if you want to talk manufacturer then one would have to argue between the Suzuki and Kawasaki bikes given they are last and second last in the manufacturer chase. Now, the only reason for the argument is that Suzuki have two riders to Kawasaki's one and as such teh score currently favours Suzuki in second last with 120 points to Kawasaki's 87.
See if numbers mean anything the above helps, but the issue is always the rider as no matter how good a machine may well be, put a donkey on it and it will fail (the obvious exception being the transofrmer inspired gp07 from Ducati
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The bike with the most potential is the one performing to the least of it now and logic would say that this would be the Pramac Ducati of Nicola Canepa as he is last in the title chase when other 'part timers' are excluded.
If you wat to talk from a team perspective then the Pramac Ducati are again at the back of the field when Scot and Gibbers are removed.
Now, if you want to talk manufacturer then one would have to argue between the Suzuki and Kawasaki bikes given they are last and second last in the manufacturer chase. Now, the only reason for the argument is that Suzuki have two riders to Kawasaki's one and as such teh score currently favours Suzuki in second last with 120 points to Kawasaki's 87.
See if numbers mean anything the above helps, but the issue is always the rider as no matter how good a machine may well be, put a donkey on it and it will fail (the obvious exception being the transofrmer inspired gp07 from Ducati
Gaz
Yamaha!
Not because they lead the chamionship! but like it was said before:
its the best ALLROUNDbike. maybe the honda is faster, but thats not all it takes to make fast laps. combine the strength of all bikes in acc. / breaking / cornerspeed / etc. and the answer will be yamaha.
Not because they lead the chamionship! but like it was said before:
its the best ALLROUNDbike. maybe the honda is faster, but thats not all it takes to make fast laps. combine the strength of all bikes in acc. / breaking / cornerspeed / etc. and the answer will be yamaha.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Sep 8 2009, 08:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The Yamaha is what the boppers claimed the 07 Ducati was, but of course we know they are blind. 3/4 riders can win and podium on a Yamaha any race, 1/4 can on a Ducati. This has been true for 07,08,09. Do the math.
Easy;
Ducati have three really .... riders
Yamaha have only one.
Easy;
Ducati have three really .... riders
Yamaha have only one.
