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there's that statement again......... "Stoner IS better than Rossi..."

I see what's happening this year but HOW is Stoner 'better' than Rossi. Maybe Rossi has taken is eye off the ball - maybe the whining about the tyres etc etc is just that - whining but I just don't think anyone can say that Casey is a better rider...................... YET

Riding better - YES
Better rider - NO
 
hmmm... i wonder if stoner does end up chuckin it down the road this season how his confidence will fair? he's been rock solid so far...
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(frosty58 @ Aug 28 2007, 09:54 PM) [snapback]87300[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
hmmm... i wonder if stoner does end up chuckin it down the road this season how his confidence will fair? he's been rock solid so far...


as far as i can remember - he's been off the bike once (maybe Assen ?) is that right ?

Casey looks like he's riding well within his limits to me - he's never ragged and even on the rare occasions that Rossi has been able to put up a fight Casey hasn't let it get to him. Quite a transformation. I rekon his confidence could take fall and still be pretty damn high.
 
yeah crashes don't seem to phase him to much. last year sure did'nt seem to affect him.
 
I think Rossi shows real class he was praising Stoner a couple times this season. Hes a 7 time world champion he has nothing to prove or defend.

On the other hand Stoner was saying that Rossi was moaning etc.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(baldylocks @ Aug 28 2007, 01:43 PM) [snapback]87296[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
there's that statement again......... "Stoner IS better than Rossi..."

I see what's happening this year but HOW is Stoner 'better' than Rossi. Maybe Rossi has taken is eye off the ball - maybe the whining about the tyres etc etc is just that - whining but I just don't think anyone can say that Casey is a better rider...................... YET

Riding better - YES
Better rider - NO

Hi Locks.

Stoner IS better than Rossi.
 
"Riding better - YES
Better rider - NO" Said Baldy



Baldy, what sort of logic is that??

I know its painful to do, but here we go, repeat after me.............STONER IS A BETTER RIDER THAN ROSSI THIS YEAR ,..................because he is riding better.

Now, that wasn,t so hard was it...

.(.javascript:emoticon(':D', 'smid_4')
smilie)
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Bunyip @ Aug 28 2007, 10:57 PM) [snapback]87359[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
"Riding better - YES
Better rider - NO" Said Baldy
Baldy, what sort of logic is that??

I know its painful to do, but here we go, repeat after me.............STONER IS A BETTER RIDER THAN ROSSI THIS YEAR ,..................because he is riding better.

Now, that wasn,t so hard was it...

.(.javascript:emoticon(':D', 'smid_4')
smilie)

Rossi is a better rider because he is a better rider. Don't you understand? And Stoner is only a better rider because he rides better.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Racejumkie @ Aug 29 2007, 05:26 PM) [snapback]87376[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Rossi is a better rider because he is a better rider. Don't you understand? And Stoner is only a better rider because he rides better.

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Racejumkie @ Aug 29 2007, 08:26 AM) [snapback]87376[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Rossi is a better rider because he is a better rider. Don't you understand? And Stoner is only a better rider because he rides better.
Some are born great. Some of us achieve greatness. Some wouldn't know greatness if it rocked up and bit them on the .... Some of us don't want to know because it means our hero might not be the greatest anymore which is impossible because no-one could ever be as great as he is. What are you, stupid?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Bunyip @ Aug 28 2007, 09:09 AM) [snapback]87105[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I,ve watched from the sidelines for a year , and it has been amazing the gradual change in attitude of posters to Casey Stoner. At the end of 2006, when he secured the Ducati ride, there were many negative comments ( especially from the UK contingent) about how CS would perform in 2007. Everything from- he,s gonna crash all the time and kill Ducatis racing budget, to He,ll be booted out after one year of poor performances. I thought he would be top 3 this year, but like all opthers never imagined the dominant rides he would put in this year. Early this year, most comments were to the effect that it was the Ducatis speed and not Stoners ability. Later on it was the Bridgestones. Only now are many willing to admit that Stoner is something special and deserves the title this year.

However, there is still the pervading concensus by many that Rossi is still a better or far better rider than Stoner and woul dominate him if on the same bike.

I,m not so sure. The thing is, that it is so hard to compare riders ability. You can only make true assessments if 2 riders are on equal bikes in the same team on the same tyres. This is not possible at yamaha (Edwards not given parity, Honda ( Hayden not given as much priority as Pedrosa??)
I believe the Ducats, Suzukis and Kawasakis are essentially equal (I could be proved wrong). SOooo....Hopkins is faster than CV in the dry usually. DP( until he crashes) is usually faster than Westy( but improving rapidly), and CS is vastly faster than Capirossi. Now did Capirossi suddenly become a poor rider. I doubt it. Maybe CS suits the 800 better, but the margin is HUGE! Maybe the Ducat is nothing like the great all-round package after all. Maybe the Yamaha is a great package ( as CE and JB attest) Maybe CS just rides the ring outta that duke!

Maybe Stoner is right now a better rider than Rossi!! I think CS is on the way up and VR on the way out. It always happens , as one star fades another eclipses it. I,m sure Pedrosa will get better as will many others ,and that the racing will get closer next year, but to me Stoners dominance suggests he could well be the next Doohan .
I just don,t want to not hear any more "Rossi would thrash CS if on the Ducati as well" Total crap..........in my humble opinion.........
Burky commented on CSs ride at Brno. I agree. Track Marshalls at Laguna Seca were saying that CS was clearly going faster than all of the others.
Stoner gains ground on the others because he is smooth, inch perfect and consistent every lap, You just can,t beat that. (as a sideline -watching Westy dominate Sofoglu in WSS in the last race there- westy was so smooth and looked slower than the regular WSS riders, but it was deceptive, he was just closer to getting the perfect braking points, corner speeds and lines than all the others. Stoner is like this, but yet another level past this)

Stoner really is that good!!


bunyip...i haven’t been watching from the sideline ive been watching it from within!!!..ur a legend mate!!!...ive been saying this about mr. stoner since late 2005...it was just a matter of time when he will get to the top!!!...and the best thing that happened to Stoner is that he didn’t get the best rides in his 125/250cc era!!!...typical of all aussie riders that go to Europe/englad...when he joined the gp circuit he had absolute donkey, bummer rides!!!....but no one could/would care about that aspect or believe and/or think that i was on the right planet when i pointed this out to them!!!...
Bunyip....mr. casey stoner has shown some of the most convincing, remarkable performances that ive ever seen be it in the 500’s or motoGP in recent years!!...youre right in every respect that you describe your post towards mr stoner!!!!!!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(CSCVAW @ Aug 29 2007, 11:24 AM) [snapback]87406[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
bunyip...i haven’t been watching from the sideline ive been watching it from within!!!..ur a legend mate!!!...ive been saying this about mr. stoner since late 2005...it was just a matter of time when he will get to the top!!!...and the best thing that happened to Stoner is that he didn’t get the best rides in his 125/250cc era!!!...typical of all aussie riders that go to Europe/englad...when he joined the gp circuit he had absolute donkey, bummer rides!!!....but no one could/would care about that aspect or believe and/or think that i was on the right planet when i pointed this out to them!!!...
Bunyip....mr. casey stoner has shown some of the most convincing, remarkable performances that ive ever seen be it in the 500’s or motoGP in recent years!!...youre right in every respect that you describe your post towards mr stoner!!!!!!

you didn't see rossi in philip island then ? you no the time when he got a 10 second penalty but still won by about 25 seconds. stoner has rode well so far this year, but dont exaggerate his talents quite yet, it's early days.
i agree with baldy.
stoner is riding better than rossi in the races he has won this year but he has not been in the game long enough to say he is better than vale period !
you say you have been saying stoner was brill bla bla bla since 2005. you were not on here in 05 so who were you telling, a roo. you abbo's crack me up
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(baldylocks @ Aug 28 2007, 08:18 PM) [snapback]87143[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
it's always the same when there's a new kid on the block isn't it - all the die hard fans appear in their thousands - i didn't hear anyone telling me Casey was the future of Moto GP when he was destroying the LCR Honda week after week.

Support your guy, just don't talk .....


Baldy,

I can't speak for others on the forum but I only discovered it's existence about a month or so ago otherwise I would've been saying exactly the stuff on here that you mention.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(skipton @ Aug 29 2007, 06:09 AM) [snapback]87278[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Maybe Stoner is best suited for MotoGP 800 than for 125 and 250. Spencer, Rainey, Doohan, Schwantz have never rode on 125 and 250.


Well said skippy, there's plenty of other names to add to that list too...
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Aug 29 2007, 09:36 PM) [snapback]87418[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
you abbo's crack me up
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rog, mate... I'm sure that you're only using the "abbo" moniker because it's a convenient tag that's available, however I'd REALLY appreciate it if you'd change it to something (anything) else because my skin isn't quite that dark & I can't speak a word of their lingo! Feel free to use "......' convicts" if you like even... at least it's probably true!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(muzzy57 @ Aug 29 2007, 02:02 PM) [snapback]87456[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Baldy,

rog, mate... I'm sure that you're only using the "abbo" moniker because it's a convenient tag that's available, however I'd REALLY appreciate it if you'd change it to something (anything) else because my skin isn't quite that dark & I can't speak a word of their lingo! Feel free to use "......' convicts" if you like even... at least it's probably true!
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muzzy mate, be assured non of my derogatory remarks like abbo are aimed at you bud, i do it at Aussies who love to use the word pom at us. i was ment to be offensive but in a friendly banter sort of way and i no its gets right under there skin
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In my opinion I think what is frustrating for us rossi fans is that rossi has had 10 years of incredible amazing races.

Stoner pulls one good season out of the bag and people are saying he's better than rossi??

I think its frustrating as though whatever rossi does its all forgotten by certain people.

I myself think stoner has improved in his riding but i wouldnt say he was better thn rossi. I know everyone will say "typical rossi fans opinion" but once stoner has showed he can consecutively beat the opposition through the years as rossi beat biaggi, gibernau etc he will be on his way to having the respect what rossi has.
 
I do think Stoner is very talented, and he might well become a multiple champion in the future. However, I'm not gonna get carried away based on the performance of one season. We've seen before that so much can change from year to year, maybe he might struggle in the future? Theres so much can happen, the Ducati might lack performance, in which case he might not handle things as well. He might get overconfident and not prepare properly. He might struggle with a competitive team mate. Not saying any of that will happen, but I think it would be easy to say how good he is based on just this year, but it wouldn't be wise. Theres still alot can change over the course of his career.
 
In the context of this year Stoner is better than Rossi, however if you take a broader perspective even the most biased of us will realize that Stoner cannot compare.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Bunyip @ Aug 29 2007, 06:57 AM) [snapback]87359[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
"Riding better - YES
Better rider - NO" Said Baldy
Baldy, what sort of logic is that??

I know its painful to do, but here we go, repeat after me.............STONER IS A BETTER RIDER THAN ROSSI THIS YEAR ,..................because he is riding better.

Now, that wasn,t so hard was it...

.(.javascript:emoticon(':D', 'smid_4')
smilie)


that's the words you are all looking for - STONER IS A BETTER RIDER THAN ROSSI THIS YEAR

ps shut up RACEBURKY or whoever you're currently bumming.
Tome must feel soooooo betrayed.

kiss kiss
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Aug 30 2007, 01:11 AM) [snapback]87475[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
muzzy mate, be assured non of my derogatory remarks like abbo are aimed at you bud, i do it at Aussies who love to use the word pom at us. i was ment to be offensive but in a friendly banter sort of way and i no its gets right under there skin
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Abo isn't offensive to me but it would be to aboriginal Australians. Bit like calling an Afro-American a ......! So call us what you want - ...... Ct I don't even mind but the other term is derogatory. Cheers!
 

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