Welcome to silly season

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Aug 26 2008, 06:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Compared to coming from where,WSB.BSB, Go check the records,not one MotoGp title has been achieved by a rider out of WSB.A WSB title dont mean .... when it comes to being qualified.Now go check and see how many Moto Gp titles have been won from riders who competed in the AMA.Your quote "for someone who has only competed in AMA level" is either biased or misinformed or you believe everything you read.The AMA has a long history of providing future world champions in GP 500 and Moto Gp.So for you to say that he is not deserving because he has ONLY competed at the AMA level is just plain wrong.

Remember the days of American dominance aer long passed, the sport has changed a lot and the AMA superbike route has had just one notable success since.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (R1 SF @ Aug 26 2008, 05:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>

Man you are just too witty. Wow with all your cool friends and your deep roots in GP's it must be wonderful to feel so privalged
Well lets look at this. You reply to a post of mine with your ........ when i wasn't trying to be witty or cute. Shinya and I have been going back and forth on a few things then you show up like you own the place. The fact that I have cool friends is just the tip of the iceberg. And who the hell are you? I havn't read .... from you other than your lame attempt at a post.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Aug 26 2008, 01:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Remember the days of American dominance aer long passed, the sport has changed a lot and the AMA superbike route has had just one notable success since.

Im assuming you are talking about the change from 2 stroke to 4 stroke.Even using that as a parameter,there has been exactly 3 different riders win the title in that era and 1 came from AMA Superbike and still none from WSB or BSB.Spies could very well be the next,or not.But to say he isnt because he came from the AMA series doesnt hold water.I would be wrong to say that Toesland doesnt deserve a ride based on prior WSB performers but if i did say that,it would be more factual than saying Spies doesnt.The point im trying to make is,AMA riders are damn good riders but dont seem to get the respect because of where they are from.Ask Neil Hodgson if Spies can ride.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Aug 26 2008, 09:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>A rider is never more valuable than the price people are willing to pay for them. If a team can get an equally good performance for less money then they will.

This is about the only bulletproof thing Tom has ever said. How can you disagree, povol?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Aug 26 2008, 06:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Im assuming you are talking about the change from 2 stroke to 4 stroke.Even using that as a parameter,there has been exactly 3 different riders win the title in that era and 1 came from AMA Superbike and still none from WSB or BSB.Spies could very well be the next,or not.But to say he isnt because he came from the AMA series doesnt hold water.I would be wrong to say that Toesland doesnt deserve a ride based on prior WSB performers but if i did say that,it would be more factual than saying Spies doesnt.The point im trying to make is,AMA riders are damn good riders but dont seem to get the respect because of where they are from.Ask Neil Hodgson if Spies can ride.
+1 When you really think about it a track is a bunch of curves linked together. WHo is the fastest?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Aug 26 2008, 07:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Im assuming you are talking about the change from 2 stroke to 4 stroke.Even using that as a parameter,there has been exactly 3 different riders win the title in that era and 1 came from AMA Superbike and still none from WSB or BSB.Spies could very well be the next,or not.But to say he isnt because he came from the AMA series doesnt hold water.I would be wrong to say that Toesland doesnt deserve a ride based on prior WSB performers but if i did say that,it would be more factual than saying Spies doesnt.The point im trying to make is,AMA riders are damn good riders but dont seem to get the respect because of where they are from.Ask Neil Hodgson if Spies can ride.

You may not have noticed but the American invasion of the top class finished about 10 years before the switch to 4 strokes. Additionally as you make comparisons to JT, I'll point out that he has had to prove himself on a satellite bike and probably earns less than Spies in AMA, and secondly i will remind you that AMA superbike is not a world championship.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Aug 26 2008, 06:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You may not have noticed but the American invasion of the top class finished about 10 years before the switch to 4 strokes. Additionally as you make comparisons to JT, I'll point out that he has had to prove himself on a satellite bike and probably earns less than Spies in AMA, and secondly i will remind you that AMA superbike is not a world championship.
True it is an american championship but they are still racing on tracks with turns. THey also have very fast bikes that in some cases race on more dangerous tracks then wsbk. I think that with the past riders who came to the world and won should be a good jumping off point of how to evaluate the differences and similarities.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Aug 26 2008, 10:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Remember the days of American dominance aer long passed, the sport has changed a lot and the AMA superbike route has had just one notable success since.

Quit grafting Britain's God awful slump onto the United States.

When the British stop winning, it's over.

When America stops winning it is only a matter of time before we adapt.

Besides most of the changes that led to the demise of the dirt trackers are being reversed. It seems now is a good time for a young American.

Somebody needs to give Herrin a ring.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Aug 26 2008, 07:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well lets look at this. You reply to a post of mine with your ........ when i wasn't trying to be witty or cute. Shinya and I have been going back and forth on a few things then you show up like you own the place. The fact that I have cool friends is just the tip of the iceberg. And who the hell are you? I havn't read .... from you other than your lame attempt at a post.


Why dose it bother you who I am. Do you want to become pen pals or something? I'm R1 SF and I joined roughly two months after you, what exactly are you getting at ROCKGOD01, even your profile name is pathetic. I've only a few post here and you have nearly 500, which to be honest are mostly tripe, I base things on quality not quantity so I'll just move along and continue to be amused your mind blowing posts

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (R1 SF @ Aug 26 2008, 07:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Why dose it bother you who I am. Do you want to become pen pals or something? I'm R1 SF and I joined roughly two months after you, what exactly are you getting at ROCKGOD01, even your profile name is pathetic. I've only a few post here and you have nearly 500, which to be honest are mostly tripe, I base things on quality not quantity so I'll just move along and continue to be amused your mind blowing posts
Lol your a funny guy. So you keep going on like your a badass and that is fine with me. Make fun and say what you want. Like R1 SF is so great and original but hey whatever. No I don't want to be your penpal and it doesn't bother me who you are. And if this is quality then your a joke. Plus I didn't know tht I needed to hold a degree here to say what I think and want. Looks like you have passed with the way you spell in your last few posts. LOL

Now, now children, play nice...

Y'know MotoGP ain't like the NBA. No Lebron James deals. Everyone's expected to cut their teeth, then get the payoff - if deserved. Ben's gonna have to suck it up and decide what he wants. If he just wants the big pay days to continue, stay in AMA. If he wants to compete on the world stage he has to take the pay cut, a one year contract, and prove what he can do. If he's worth it he'll get the big cheque. But he'll never know unless he tries, and its tough bein' 50 and wondering "What if?".

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Aug 27 2008, 04:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Quit grafting Britain's God awful slump onto the United States.

I'll vote that comment as my "Post of the Year" (even with 4 months to go)! Classsic!

The one thing here is and I think most would agree that it is nice to see diversity. I would like to see JT take a win, .... even Nakano. Really anyone in the whole field it would be nice to see them flourish. It sure ain't easy to do and when it is done we all get excited and have new ideas on the possibilities. If you get this spec tire rule I wonder if it really will change the leaders. I really doubt it but it would be nice to see.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Aug 26 2008, 07:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Quit grafting Britain's God awful slump onto the United States.

What are you talking about? At no point did i mention our british slump because it has no relevance to this topic at all.

Not sure if there is credence to this, but I just read on MotoGPMatters.com that Team JiR / Scot are splitting into two teams:

"After Ben Spies' intended deal with Suzuki fell through earlier in the year, his name started being linked with just about every team in the paddock. It appears there were a couple we missed, though, and now, Motociclismo has corrected that failure: The Spanish magazine is now claiming that Spies is talking to JiR and Luca Montiron, to ride a satellite Honda next year. Spies has already been linked to Gresini Honda, and it is no secret that after losing Nicky Hayden to Ducati, American Honda desperately want to keep an American on a Honda in MotoGP next year. With Team Scot and JiR splitting up, and Team Scot said to be fielding their 250 rider Yuki Takahashi next year, Luca Montiron has claimed that he has a contract from Honda for his Japan Italy Racing team to field a satellite Honda next year, bringing the total number of Hondas on the grid up to 7. The JiR team is no sinecure, however. Since switching from Bridgestone to Michelin in 2005, the team has had dismal results, and helped sink the careers of both Makoto Tamada and Carlos Checa. Whether Spies would fare any better is open to question."

source: http://www.motogpmatters.com/news/

This is the first time I have heard this rumor. Isn't the silly season great.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bootsakah @ Aug 27 2008, 03:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Not sure if there is credence to this, but I just read on MotoGPMatters.com that Team JiR / Scot are splitting into two teams:

"After Ben Spies' intended deal with Suzuki fell through earlier in the year, his name started being linked with just about every team in the paddock. It appears there were a couple we missed, though, and now, Motociclismo has corrected that failure: The Spanish magazine is now claiming that Spies is talking to JiR and Luca Montiron, to ride a satellite Honda next year. Spies has already been linked to Gresini Honda, and it is no secret that after losing Nicky Hayden to Ducati, American Honda desperately want to keep an American on a Honda in MotoGP next year. With Team Scot and JiR splitting up, and Team Scot said to be fielding their 250 rider Yuki Takahashi next year, Luca Montiron has claimed that he has a contract from Honda for his Japan Italy Racing team to field a satellite Honda next year, bringing the total number of Hondas on the grid up to 7. The JiR team is no sinecure, however. Since switching from Bridgestone to Michelin in 2005, the team has had dismal results, and helped sink the careers of both Makoto Tamada and Carlos Checa. Whether Spies would fare any better is open to question."

source: http://www.motogpmatters.com/news/


This is the first time I have heard this rumor. Isn't the silly season great.

the JIR team Scot break up was reported on motogp.com ages ago. The big question would be what tyres they each get, if the single tyre rule doesnt go through. I think the article is a little harsh on the JIR team though, i can't remember when checa rode for JIR at all, and the team are doing pretty well this season with 5th overall and first non factory bike.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Aug 26 2008, 11:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>...and secondly i will remind you that AMA superbike is not a world championship.

WSB raced in Toole, Utah USA this past May and they shared the weekend with the AMA.

The AMA used the longer version of the course for the weekend, but they ran the same course as the WSB guys the year before.

Both Spies and Mladin were running times that would have put them on the front row of the WSB grid.

Back when Troy Corser still road for Suzuki and held the WSB title, Mladin was posting faster lap times on his AMA Superbike arounf Philip Island during winter testing.

I think the level of talent between the two series is closer than most people think. WSB has a much deeper field of talent and a larger grid.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (svgamer @ Aug 27 2008, 04:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>WSB raced in Toole, Utah USA this past May and they shared the weekend with the AMA.

The AMA used the longer version of the course for the weekend, but they ran the same course as the WSB guys the year before.

Both Spies and Mladin were running times that would have put them on the front row of the WSB grid.

Back when Troy Corser still road for Suzuki and held the WSB title, Mladin was posting faster lap times on his AMA Superbike arounf Philip Island during winter testing.

I think the level of talent between the two series is closer than most people think. WSB has a much deeper field of talent and a larger grid.

I don't doubt that the very top riders in AMA superbike are good enough to run at or near the top in world superbikes. However there are much larger demands on world championship riders including travelling stress, more pressure from sponsors and publicity, much larger variation of trakcs and conditions and a far deeper field. If spies has a bad day this season he finishes 2nd, in the world championships a bad day would be him fighting for a top 10, while good days would bring podiums.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Aug 27 2008, 09:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think the article is a little harsh on the JIR team though, i can't remember when checa rode for JIR at all, and the team are doing pretty well this season with 5th overall and first non factory bike.
Checa never rode for JIR. Tamada, Nakano and now Dovizioso. Two proven front runners on Bridgestones go to a Michelin Honda team and are absolutely nowhere. I think that the team may have a fair bit on their shoulders. The only reason their results are as impressive as they are now is Dovi is a phenomenal talent.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Aug 27 2008, 11:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't doubt that the very top riders in AMA superbike are good enough to run at or near the top in world superbikes. However there are much larger demands on world championship riders including travelling stress, more pressure from sponsors and publicity, much larger variation of trakcs and conditions and a far deeper field. If spies has a bad day this season he finishes 2nd, in the world championships a bad day would be him fighting for a top 10, while good days would bring podiums.
Exactly why Spies needs to get out of the states, even if it is to WSB. Although talent wise it is likely a step sideways, it is far deeper and far more demanding.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Aug 27 2008, 05:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Exactly why Spies needs to get out of the states, even if it is to WSB. Although talent wise it is likely a step sideways, it is far deeper and far more demanding.

Yea man i totally agree.